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In transit an OEM 5600X with no heatsink, some 3600MHz CL18 Geil RAM (wanted something cheap with no RGB that isn't 2666MHz), Asus Tuf B550 Gaming Plus so I can add an RX550 in there, an ID-COOLING SE-224-XT Basic, and the current stuff in the specs. I will have so much fun building this.
 

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Everything arrived... except the CPU block which arrives next week, damnit
(No stock and huge backorder, changed to a cheaper model)

*cries in cant use yet*

Just enjoy some fresh oyster eating in the mean time. :clap:
 
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Everything arrived... except the CPU block which arrives next week, damnit
(No stock and huge backorder, changed to a cheaper model)

*cries in cant use yet*
Time to watercool the stock one.
I've had everything except CPU and RAM for 3 weeks now, I know the feeling.
 

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62C CPU, 42C GPU with cinebench R23 + nicehash at the same time

 
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So...I finally got the ovaries to run CTR the other day. And, after what seemed like hours, I was finally able to find out that, low n' behold, I have a fucking GOLDEN SAMPLE :eek: :twitch::rockout:

You could imagine my shock. Like, golden tier is supposed to be AMAZING, right? That means it's a beauty overclocker, right?
 
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So...I finally got the ovaries to run CTR the other day. And, after what seemed like hours, I was finally able to find out that, low n' behold, I have a fucking GOLDEN SAMPLE :eek: :twitch::rockout:
You could imagine my shock. Like, golden tier is supposed to be AMAZING, right? That means it's a beauty overclocker, right?
I'm not sure how the CTR rating translates to real-life use, but I'd try an all core OC. Your cooling is adequate, so you won't be limited by temperature. In fact, you should see even lower temps. Just don't go too high on the Vcore, below 1.3v is mostly safe. Depending on your workloads, it may or may not bring performance benefits - but hey, it's free MHz! :D
 

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So...I finally got the ovaries to run CTR the other day. And, after what seemed like hours, I was finally able to find out that, low n' behold, I have a fucking GOLDEN SAMPLE :eek: :twitch::rockout:

You could imagine my shock. Like, golden tier is supposed to be AMAZING, right? That means it's a beauty overclocker, right?

And to think you slept on it for...how long? :D

Lemme guess, CTR probably recommended something like 4.5 @ 1.275V? Golden sample is usually reserved for pretty amazing chips. Below 1.25V should be pretty easy to do and pretty safe, at 1.2V you should be good for forever. I mean, it's a 3600 and it's a golden sample - whichever all-core you decide on is basically guaranteed to be better-performing.

Then there's me with 3 bronze CPUs :laugh:
 
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Zen3 is amazing.
Also, trash tier b-die is not that bad.
 
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:twitch: :pimp::eek:

Normally if it were any other time of the year, I'd be going straight for that P2 profile. Alas, we don't have summer here in Modesto. In the 3 or so years I've been living here, I've come to understand we have Hell here, not summer. And we're baking here at the moment. In other words, how can I increase performance, but keep the heat while gaming in check? Sometimes I play for hours, and even with the AC on, my room can get a bit uncomfortable (doesn't help that it's directly over the garage). Is there any way to sort of have my cake and ieat it too?
 

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If your room is warming up I would say its probably the GPU, as the CPU wouldn't be under the same load. You could explore the world of undervolting, or even just run a static OC at 1 voltage. On my 3600XT I liked 4400 @ 1.268v. Temps were very manageable, and performance was still excellent.

In other news I beat my old record lol..

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:twitch: :pimp::eek:

Normally if it were any other time of the year, I'd be going straight for that P2 profile. Alas, we don't have summer here in Modesto. In the 3 or so years I've been living here, I've come to understand we have Hell here, not summer. And we're baking here at the moment. In other words, how can I increase performance, but keep the heat while gaming in check? Sometimes I play for hours, and even with the AC on, my room can get a bit uncomfortable (doesn't help that it's directly over the garage). Is there any way to sort of have my cake and ieat it too?

Was expecting a bit more from a golden sample, but 4.35 @ 1.25V sounds decent.

I know TU106 can take a healthy undervolt (mine @ 0.981V, lops off about 8-10 degrees in temperature across the board, stock ran up to the temp limiter at 83C) and I'm sure the TU116 can probably do the same. But not much of a power consumption reduction from GPU UV. Maybe 5W at most.

You could cap your framerate in games where it doesn't really matter, e.g. MW2019 120fps DLSS @ 120-160W compared to 120-165fps DLSS @ 180W. On a hot day, I can game for 10 hours non-stop in Minecraft (45W or so) or Genshin (80-120W, 60fps hard limit), but after about 1 hour of MW2019 (180W @ 165Hz) or War Thunder (175W @ 120fps cap) it starts to get a lil uncomfortable sitting there.

If the sliders in Afterburner still work you can probably just lower your power limit, but at that point you're just throwing away perf you paid for

You can also probably land a -0.025V to -0.05V offset on the 3600, no change to LLC, and not incur noticeable performance loss. Problem with static OC is that while idle may seem calmer and cooler (which really doesn't contribute to room heat despite appearances), boost is likely still more efficient under load if you ever run all-core loads,
 

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my 5800x is running hot on this custom water and now i gotta stab it lots to find out why

50c idle, 60C single thread and 80C multi thread - but thats creeped to 85C at times on a custom loop that handles a 3090 with ease (and this is with the 3090 idle, so its not the heat of both doing it)
 

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my 5800x is running hot on this custom water and now i gotta stab it lots to find out why

50c idle, 60C single thread and 80C multi thread - but thats creeped to 85C at times on a custom loop that handles a 3090 with ease (and this is with the 3090 idle, so its not the heat of both doing it)


that seems a bit hot for idle! I hope you get it figured out
 

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a remount got me to 35C idle and 75C cinebench load, which is better... but leads me to the question of wtf is going on with the mounting to make it so fussy
 

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She is spicy! Sounds like TIM was a little thin when it cured.. but I could be just talking shit..
 

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I've got that fancy derbauer ryzen offset mounting kit coming in, i reckon thats part of it with the 5800x and its spicy off centered die
 
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Curve Optimizer really makes wonders. 4725 all core on Cinebench is lovely.
 

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temps settled right down, it was a mix of a poor mount and air bubbles in the block

i look forward to the offset thing tweaking it even more

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A reminder for Curve Optimizer testing: Corecycler comes with a config.ini for a reason. Probably this was already mentioned in the CO thread of biblical proportions, but I'm a smooth brain that only found out last week.

Obviously, any all-core benchmark is a terrible test (by itself, at least) for Curve Optimizer, PB clocks drop like a stone on all-core. But default settings Corecycler doesn't seem to be too great either.

By default, the script only runs 6 minutes per core, at "Huge" FFT length (basically just the region beyond the Large FFT sizes). 6 minutes is not nearly enough to test all members of even the Huge FFT region, it's only enough roughly for a full run of Smallest or Small FFTs (which the script does not test by default).

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I had long been running a -10/10/12/12/12/12/15/15/15/15/15/15 profile, which I assumed to be stable due to always passing default 6 min Corecycler and generally no symptoms of instability.
  • I started by changing to 6 min Small FFT (~1 full cycle per iteration), then 13 min Small FFT (~2 cycles). The preferred cores started dropping like flies, rounding errors for days.
  • I tested 13 min Huge FFT (~1 cycle) next. Having been adjusted, the cores were much closer to stable, but some threw sporadic errors that didn't necessarily manifest in every test iteration.
  • Lastly, 68 min All FFT (1 cycle). Obviously *very* time consuming, but it continued to discover cores that needed further tweaking.
If I need to start a specific core from scratch, I start with 13 min Small FFT, then go to a single iteration of 1 hour All FFT. If stable, it goes to overnight testing with one other core on the other CCD that needs testing (by default, Corecycler alternates between CCD1 and CCD2 so heat can dissipate). By the time I wake up, the two selected cores should be finished about 4-5 iterations each and the test log will tell all.

How the new profile looks so far, some rather interesting distributions especially on previously-unassuming Cores 2 and 6:

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Is all this really necessary? I dunno, but because this is my main rig and not my sacrificial APU mem OC rig, I just don't tolerate unstable overclocks if I'm aware of them. Rounding errors are rounding errors. Lord knows Core 0 and Core 1 were quite unstable at -10/-10 over the past few months, that was very quickly obvious even in 6 min Small FFT.

The script also allows other tests such as AIDA and yCruncher. Being the pepega it is, I'll probably forgo AIDA, but yCruncher may be worth a looksie.
 
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New Hwinfo beta has per-core ryzen temp readings

Seems to be quite accurate so far, good enough to replace CCD temps off the sensor list for me. Happened to update to 471.11 as well today, so got to watch how the temp sensors behaved during MW shader reinstallation (6-core AVX load).

Fortunately/unfortunately, the per-core temps also seem to confirm that the transient 10-20C spikes when above 13W per-core power aren't just a CCD1/CCD2 sensor anomaly. In all other games/applications though, the per-core sensors are cooler, much more consistent and less epileptic than the CCD1/CCD2 sensors, and max temp always stays 3-5C below CCD max temps.

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Yeah its good to see that say, 7 cores are nice and chilly and only one has spiked

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