seeking recommendation for a 2.1 PC setup with very good bass

[Deleted member 24505]

Lol, they are not beasts they are toys. Nor are they 400 watts, if they had 400 watts behind them the drivers would go up in smoke in about 5 seconds. The Promedia are toys too but they are better than these. You don't need a DAC or soundcard upgrade with speakers like this, the quality just isn't there to justify it, and its defiantly not going to get you any more bass.

I think this thread is kinda dead though as the OP hasn't replied once.

Quite often they put pmpo which is not the same as RMS. Pmpo iirc is ÷4 for the true number of watts

 

[Operandi]

Quite often they put pmpo which is not the same as RMS. Pmpo iirc is ÷4 for the true number of watts

Whatever the number is derived from its meaningless marketing nonsense that is deceptive at best and outright lies at worst.

 

[nguyen]

been using Audioengine A5 for over 7 years now and I still think they are the most perfect pieces of sound engineering ever.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Whatever the number is derived from its meaningless marketing nonsense that is deceptive at best and outright lies at worst.

Even with HiFi equipment, which usually uses RMS?

 

[Operandi]

Even with HiFi equipment, which usually uses RMS?

Cheap stuff tends to be made up garbage specs. Midrange and high-end gear and pro gear don't really lie about their specs.

 

[INSTG8R]

Way better sound than that Logitech crap.

My Z960s are fantastic for a proper 5.1 set...My home theater setup are PSBs so I know what good sounds like

 

[MicroUnC]

My Z960s are fantastic for a proper 5.1 set...My home theater setup are PSBs so I know what good sounds like

Do you mean Logitech Z906?

 

[INSTG8R]

Do you mean Logitech Z906?

Yes, yes I did

 

[Space Lynx]

Lol, they are not beasts they are toys. Nor are they 400 watts, if they had 400 watts behind them the drivers would go up in smoke in about 5 seconds. The Promedia are toys too but they are better than these. You don't need a DAC or soundcard upgrade with speakers like this, the quality just isn't there to justify it, and its defiantly not going to get you any more bass.

I think this thread is kinda dead though as the OP hasn't replied once.

I got my set for $85 on lightning sale a long long time ago. Sure they aren't as good as $400 pair of speakers, but for the price they are damn good imo.

and yeah i know it operates at 150-200 watts most of time, I find the sound to be very impressive. I don't really want to spend as much money as speakers as you do, so eh, it works for me.

I watched the Marvel movies on these speakers and it shook the whole damn house in fight scenes.

 

[thesmokingman]

Everytime the Pro Media drop to 70 bux I grab a set and give them away for xmas or bdays. It's nice to have a set in reserve. They are beasts for the money. I've not heard a set of 2.1 anywhere that is close to them for 2-3 times the price. And I'm not gonna pull any audiophile wanker BS either, they are fabulous for the money.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I think overall with his budget, i would go with the KEF LSX

 

[tastegw]

Lol, they are not beasts they are toys. Nor are they 400 watts, if they had 400 watts behind them the drivers would go up in smoke in about 5 seconds. The Promedia are toys too but they are better than these. You don't need a DAC or soundcard upgrade with speakers like this, the quality just isn't there to justify it, and its defiantly not going to get you any more bass.

I think this thread is kinda dead though as the OP hasn't replied once.

I have been reading this thread, checking out all the suggestions. I was just doing it silently.

yes, the Z625 is rated at 200rms/400max. But if i had to compare it to subs from the trunk of my car in my early years (90's), Id have to say it sounds as impressive as an average 10" sub with 50 watts or so (rms)
Nothing to really shake a stick at. Barely enough rattle to make the rear view mirror dance at all. Apples to oranges yes, but thats all I know in the audio field. I have much more experience with car audio than I do with home audio. I am looking for the punch that a decent 200 watt car audio provides (from the 90's, i dont know the quality of todays stuff), but in my office. and the Z625 is not up to task.

 

[looniam]

I have been reading this thread, checking out all the suggestions. I was just doing it silently.

yes, the Z625 is rated at 200rms/400max. But if i had to compare it to subs from the trunk of my car in my early years (90's), Id have to say it sounds as impressive as an average 10" sub with 50 watts or so (rms)
Nothing to really shake a stick at. Barely enough rattle to make the rear view mirror dance at all. Apples to oranges yes, but thats all I know in the audio field. I have much more experience with car audio than I do with home audio. I am looking for the punch that a decent 200 watt car audio provides (from the 90's, i dont know the quality of todays stuff), but in my office. and the Z625 is not up to task.

i have the Z623 and after setting the cross over (via cerative labs driver/software) below 90Hz cleans things up. the default of 120Hz just seems to make it lose its punch. personally i like 66.6 cuz thats so metal

the environment acoustics not working against you? have you tried placing the sub in other places?

 

[Operandi]

I have been reading this thread, checking out all the suggestions. I was just doing it silently.

yes, the Z625 is rated at 200rms/400max. But if i had to compare it to subs from the trunk of my car in my early years (90's), Id have to say it sounds as impressive as an average 10" sub with 50 watts or so (rms)
Nothing to really shake a stick at. Barely enough rattle to make the rear view mirror dance at all. Apples to oranges yes, but thats all I know in the audio field. I have much more experience with car audio than I do with home audio. I am looking for the punch that a decent 200 watt car audio provides (from the 90's, i dont know the quality of todays stuff), but in my office. and the Z625 is not up to task.

It might say 200 RMS /400 peak but both of specs are pretty much lies. Its not a Logitech specific problem, pretty rampant in low-end audio gear.

I've done the car audio thing in the mid 00's right before that started to die out. Built up a friends car with all Polk Audio and Phoenix Gold; when it was configured for SPL (1200 watts or something absurd like that) I think it hit like 136dBA, and when it was setup normal it won best of show (best overall combination of sound quality, install, and SPL), fun stuff.

For your office though your best bet if you have $700 and want to get something absolutely next level is to piece something together with separate speakers, amp, and sub. For speakers you want to make sure you get something thats going to work well nearfiled (where you sitting close to speakers) so that means either pro monitors, or compact bookshelf speakers (like the Mica I listed), or the rare coaxial driver like the KEF. To power them a small class D desktop amp with 20+ watts (real wats not BS marketing watts) will be plenty for nearfield, Topping and SMSL make really nice units, there might be others. What you don't want is a huge AV receiver or some other vintage amp with a ton of inputs and channels you don't need and that probably has less power in two channel mode than a modern compact class D amp. For the sub 8" will with 150-300 watts is plenty (again these are real watts), I think I picked a Polk but there should be other good options, JBL, Yamaha, ect. I would recommend a sealed design vs ported since that is more compact and you can be more flexible with room placement as thats a pretty big deal with subs. You don't have to go with all the stuff I laid out in my first post but that would be a good place to start.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

i have a set of Edifier R1850DB's which have an out for a subwoofer, grab a good sized sub via Monoprice and you have nice overall tone with good base for around $250. The amazon reviews will basically point you in the right direction. https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R185.../B073W1R4XQ/ref=psdc_3236451011_t5_B016P9HJIA

 

[looniam]

Its not a Logitech specific problem, pretty rampant in low-end audio gear.

pssst, its also pro audio also. it has its use but yeah rather insignificant. however, not going to disagree about logitech, since i have no opinion.

 

[Athlonite]

How ever with $750 might be able pick up a AV with HDMI, Sub a pair a fairly good speakers secondhand though. And most likely sound better than all the trash of today.

EDIT: Way better sound than that Logitech crap.

That's pretty much what I'm doing using the HDMI audio out to a Pioneer VSX-531 AV Amp + 5 Technics 100W (RMS) speakers and a Sansui self powered Sub

It might say 200 RMS /400 peak but both of specs are pretty much lies. Its not a Logitech specific problem, pretty rampant in low-end audio gear.

when you see that sort of rating you can bet your bottom dollar what they really mean is PMPO peak music power output just take the smaller of the number divide by 8 and you'll get the average RMS roughly

 

[Operandi]

pssst, its also pro audio also.

No it dosn't. Maybe they post some specs that are bit optimistic but nobody in pro audio realm would last long if they claimed 10x the power their gear is capable of which is probably right about in line with what Logtich is doing in this case.

when you see that sort of rating you can bet your bottom dollar what they really mean is PMPO peak music power output just take the smaller of the number divide by 8 and you'll get the average RMS roughly

Or when you read the claimed power output and look at the 1/4 MDF walls on the sub just laugh and ignore it since its a meaningless spec anyway.

 

[looniam]

No it dosn't. Maybe they post some specs that are bit optimistic but nobody in pro audio realm would last long if they claimed 10x the power their gear is capable of which is probably right about in line with what Logtich is doing in this case.

Or when you read the claimed power output and look at the 1/4 MDF walls on the sub just laugh and ignore it since its a meaningless spec anyway.

as someone that has worked in pro audio, yes it does.

first shop day, get the explanation of RMS and its metrics, last sentence, "but it's all really bullshit!" so you're right, no one in their right mind heeds it:

so why be upset?

 

[Operandi]

as someone that has worked in pro audio, yes it does.

first shop day, get the explanation of RMS and its metrics, last sentence, "but it's all really bullshit!" so you're right, no one in their right mind heeds it:

so why be upset?

Lol, I'm not going to argue with that it never happens in pro audio but if it does its the exception to not the base line like it is in low-end consumer gear. The pro audio customer has the means and capability to test manufacture claims so if they lie they get found out. So as a pro audio customer buying 10,000 amps or active systems maybe you don't like how manufacture A gets to its claimed power figure vs. manufacture B so its off by some given % to what you expect but there isn't any none sense like that $150 Logitech system claiming 200 watts RMS and 400 peak which is off by orders of magnitude happening in the pro world on the regular. RMS and peak power is not a meaningless spec in the pro audio world.

 

[looniam]

Lol, I'm not going to argue with that it never happens in pro audio but if it does its the exception to not the base line like it is in low-end consumer gear. The pro audio customer has the means and capability to test manufacture claims so if they lie they get found out. So as a pro audio customer buying 10,000 amps or active systems maybe you don't like how manufacture A gets to its claimed power figure vs. manufacture B so its off by some given % to what you expect but there isn't any none sense like that $150 Logitech system claiming 200 watts RMS and 400 peak which is off by orders of magnitude happening in the pro world on the regular. RMS and peak power is not a meaningless spec in the pro audio world.

i've done installations, live sound reinforcement, going on tour(s) and mixed crappy bands in dive bars and can tell you thats not how any of that works.

now please stop crapping the OP's thread.

 

[Operandi]

i've done installations, live sound reinforcement, going on tour(s) and mixed crappy bands in dive bars and can tell you thats not how any of that works.

now please stop crapping the OP's thread.

Just saying its so dosn't make it true. If there are examples of reputable pro audio gear inflating their power figures by orders magnitude I'd legitimately be interested in seeing examples.

Crapping in the OPs thread because I disagree with your opinion on pro vs. consumer audio?.... ok.

 

[thesmokingman]

Just saying its so dosn't make it true. If there are examples of reputable pro audio gear inflating their power figures by orders magnitude I'd legitimately be interested in seeing examples.

Crapping in the OPs thread because I disagree with your opinion on pro vs. consumer audio?.... ok.

Thanks captn obvious?

Whatever the number is derived from its meaningless marketing nonsense that is deceptive at best and outright lies at worst.

 

[looniam]

Just saying its so dosn't make it true. If there are examples of reputable pro audio gear inflating their power figures by orders magnitude I'd legitimately be interested in seeing examples.

work a few years, no months in pro audio

Crapping in the OPs thread because I disagree with your opinion on pro vs. consumer audio?.... ok.

no but ranting about logitech and arguing pro/consumer gear when the OP only cares about a 2.1 set up seems like it.

seriously, your only bitching about marketing. bubby please - fuck it!

 

[Operandi]

work a few years, no months in pro audio

no but ranting about logitech and arguing pro/consumer gear when the OP only cares about a 2.1 set up seems like it.

seriously, your only bitching about marketing. bubby please - fuck it!

I called out Logitech for nonsense power ratings and pointed to a specific case. I then said inflated power ratings don't happen to that extent in the pro world, you say it does but and give no examples. Shitty marketing matters, if you don't like what I'm saying tell me why I'm wrong or just ignore me, don't just say I'm wrong cause you know more than me.

As to the OP's post I made specific speaker, amp, and sub suggestions and beyond that stated specifically what to look for and why. Did you read the whole thread?