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Okay, I am back again and I looked at all your scores. :) A lot have changed since I made this original post and still today, I am just happy to see it holding as well as it did back in the days.
Based on your posts and also my findings (I am now rocking the two systems as on profile) and I consistently find Intel systems having much better memory bandwidth and latencies than AMD Ryzen (specifically Ryzen 3, 5 and 7). And I believe, because of this, I have seen some games to perform better even if it is by 1 frame per second on my i5 7600K system compared to my Ryzen 5 3600 (e.g. Horizon Zero Dawn 93 FPS on the Intel vs 92 FPS on the AMD using my RTX 2060 Super on both of them).
What do you all feel about it? Do you have similar experience/inference? I will bench again and post some scores soon. :)
 
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The lowest I can get is 62.3 lol.. grrr. But at these settings I can play games and do actual stuff from start to finish :D


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All that trouble and I still can't even get 0.1ns below 50ns ffs because Gigabyte removed manual VTTDDR in the latest BIOS:mad: I have now accepted that these B-die sticks are shit and I will not get any further on this hardware

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Very nice...

Are you in the 1.6v neighborhood with the sticks?

Asking for a friend ;)
 

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Very nice...

Are you in the 1.6v neighborhood with the sticks?

Asking for a friend ;)

At those benching speeds? More like 1.8V...I did say they were shit, lol. Normally I run 1.5V at 4000CL16 or 4200CL17. But that's honestly more for heat management than longevity, I already pulled the cheap heatspreaders for fitment and it wouldn't faze me much if they died.
 

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Lol ok, sorry man! I know you told me before just had no idea it was like that.. :laugh: I haven't been brave enough to try 1.8v, but I am surprisingly ok with 1.6v.. and the voltage turns from pink to red after 1.64v so I am kind of tempted to try some higher speed CL12 runs with my Royals.. I don't think the B+W's like CL12 at all, or my board doesn't like doing four sticks at CL12. I think 1.5v is totally ok considering you can get sticks that run that @ stock.. I've got 4 of them sandwiched together at that voltage and running memtest or aida they barely break 30c. But this is still my first few months with them and I would be sad to see a set go. Pretty sure I saw it mentioned at the G.Skill forums higher voltage is ok as long as you can keep it cool.. pretty much what you guys told me from the start, so thanks for that :)
 

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Lol ok, sorry man! I know you told me before just had no idea it was like that.. :laugh: I haven't been brave enough to try 1.8v, but I am surprisingly ok with 1.6v.. and the voltage turns from pink to red after 1.64v so I am kind of tempted to try some higher speed CL12 runs with my Royals.. I don't think the B+W's like CL12 at all, or my board doesn't like doing four sticks at CL12. I think 1.5v is totally ok considering you can get sticks that run that @ stock.. I've got 4 of them sandwiched together at that voltage and running memtest or aida they barely break 30c. But this is still my first few months with them and I would be sad to see a set go. Pretty sure I saw it mentioned at the G.Skill forums higher voltage is ok as long as you can keep it cool.. pretty much what you guys told me from the start, so thanks for that :)

I'm sure you'd be fine benching 1.6 or 1.8, just keep it short and revert right after you're done. After all, 2V overclocking is a thing.

I don't run 4DIMM so you're the expert here :D I have a feeling that if you ever tried to run above 1.5V, on 4DIMM, with a RX6800XT or RTX3080 gaming away full tilt, in a traditional tower and not a sandwich case, it might start to look a little bit like this:

 
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I was thinking about what you said.. my secret is hardly a secret.. My board sets timings better than I can :D The difference between my two sets when looking at timings in TB all numbers are the same except for one, which is a 4 on my Royals and 6 on my B+W's. All I do is start fresh, input all sub timings it gives me for 2133 CL15 with slow IF. Then I input main memory timings set speeds on mems and IF and bam. I roll with that because I cannot tune it very much tighter without giving up stability. There are subtle and not so subtle timing changes when going from two to four sticks, but somehow works out. Either this bios is not optimized for tuning, or you just cant do much with this particular mem combo as its already near the limits of what IF can do with a 6 core? I don't know. Purely speculation on my part. Mind you I haven't explored the depths of this new bios yet. Still cant crack 62.3 so there is something else going on under the hood that is getting in the way.
 
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Got a better cooler (cryorig h7 quad lumi 160w) on my 1600 can bench more at 4ghz now without so many stability issues at 1.45v or so, plan to upgrade it at some point and got the cooler first. Also bored...

Still not sure how such bandwidth is possible on only two channels of 2.67ghz DDR...
 

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Got a better cooler (cryorig h7 quad lumi 160w) on my 1600 can bench more at 4ghz now without so many stability issues at 1.45v or so, plan to upgrade it at some point and got the cooler first. Also bored...

Still not sure how such bandwidth is possible on only two channels of 2.67ghz DDR...
It's nice seeing normal Write bandwidth on your 1600 compared to the 3000 and 5000 counterparts.
 
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Figured I'd give this a run after I got 4.6ghz stable with the stock cooler. :laugh: :laugh:

My EK AIO is just sitting here waiting for my new case. Making me slightly crazy.
 

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Here is my 9600KF system with 16GB Patriot Viper Steel 4133 C19 running at 4166 C18
NB to 4838Mhz

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He meant the voltage you're running for 4166CL18
So it's running at stock voltages with zero problems. This is a daily driven OC and so far have had absolutely zero stability problems. That being said, memory overclocking isn't what it used to be! The fun factor just isn't there anymore. Because they come with very good "volumetric efficiency" right out of the box.

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So it's running at stock voltages with zero problems. This is a daily driven OC and so far have had absolutely zero stability problems. That being said, memory overclocking isn't what it used to be! The fun factor just isn't there anymore. Because they come with very good "volumetric efficiency" right out of the box.

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Yup, back in the day memory overclocking was serious adventure.

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That being said, I like to think that things are just "different" now. Less brute force overclocking, and more subtle massaging to squeeze every little bit out of sticks, Also, if you don't buy sticks where you know exactly what you are getting i.e. only buy Samsung B-die and using Thaiphoon and timing calculators it can be way more fun. I think the knowledge of exactly what you are going to get is at least partially responsible for the lack of excitement with DDR4. I think that's what's made this Mushkin kit fun. With Thaiphoon reporting the IC's as "undefined", it's forced me to discover everything on my own, which is kind of like "the old days". I'll test that theory when I start playing with a new set of Ballistix Elite 4000 sticks that should be here tomorrow. These sticks have plenty of info out there on exactly how to tweak them.
 
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