Should i upgrade my cpu (rtx 4070) ?

[gasolin]

Shouldn't do only in the 60-70 % gpu usage

my 5600 did do fine with my rtx 3060 and i think it was okay with my 4070 although gpu wasn't high (reason why i upgraded it)

lower ghz 4050ghz vs 4450mhz (or higher if using pbo) but 8 cores,16 threads that shouldn't be a problem what ever i have running in the backgound

under 5% cpu usage and 7,8-7.9 gb from chrome, total memory used 47%

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Shouldn't do only in the 60-70 % gpu usage

my 5600 did do fine with my rtx 3060 and i think it was okay with my 4070 although gpu wasn't high (reason why i upgraded it)

lower ghz 4050ghz vs 4450mhz (or higher if using pbo) but 8 cores,16 threads that shouldn't be a problem what ever i have running in the backgound

under 5% cpu usage and 7,8-7.9 gb from chrome, total memory used 47%

Yeah no idea what is causing you to drop that low but my 5800X/3080ti system which is similar enough to yours is always 100% gpu usage at 1440p in every game I've tried even with DLSS.

Dual 1440p/165hz setup.

I don't play either of those 2 games You listed.... FH 5, Alan Wake 2, All the AC games, All the Tomb Raider games. A Plague tale 1/2, Last of us, COD/Warzone from my recent memory all hit 100% gpu usage with youtube running on the secondary monitor with DLSS quality enabled when avaiable to use and the 5700X3D should be a bit better than it. I know the 5800X3D runs circles around it at 1080p with a 4070 even when streaming.

Maybe those two games are just horribly optimized.

 

[gasolin]

More benchmark only watching a movie (the proposal)

I don't remember project cars 2 being that unstable (cpu usage, 30 fps ish difference)

Better than first time (picture not screenshot)

Faster cpu and gup but i think the difference i bigger than i expected even when im watching a movie (benchmark is in 2560x1440p and from youtube), 100% cpu usage

 

[oxrufiioxo]

More benchmark only watching a movie (the proposal)

I don't remember project cars 2 being that unstable (cpu usage, 30 fps ish difference)

Better than first time (picture not screenshot)

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Faster cpu and gup but i think the difference i bigger than i expected even when im watching a movie (benchmark is in 2560x1440p and from youtube), 100% cpu usage
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You need to run identical settings to compare the person is running 1080p lowest with likely DLSS performance with just texture quality maxed.

 

[GamerGuy]

I've just recently swapped the R9 5900X in my main rig for an R7 5700X3D, the former isn't wasted as I'd sold the R9 3900X in my 2nd rig and installed the 5900X into it. As gaming has gone down in my list of priority, mainly due to my falling back on older games, and the decline of good AAA (so glad I'd waited for reviews and impressions from other gamers and YTers, 'mainstream' gaming sites like PCGamer/IGN/etc are hard passes for me) as well as the influx of games made for 'modern' audiences. I do not believe I'd be upgrading to a newer platform anytime soon, or even evah! That's why I'd chosen to go with a 5700X3D as it'd buy me more time with games that demand more of the CPU, I will buy some newer games, but only when they have been reviewed, and pass my list of checkboxes.

 

[freeagent]

Try running another set of your ram for 2R. Should smoothen things out for you.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Try running another set of your ram for 2R. Should smoothen things out for you.

It likely only add 5-10% though and his 32GB kit might already be dual rank and running quad rank is a bad idea if so.

 

[gasolin]

Not shure ram would make a difference

I just wanted to have better usage of my gpu, 60-70% in a game i expect stable in the 90's i def think i don't have the power even when a 5700x3d is surpose to perform okay, even when it's not a 5800x3d with 10% higher clock, i expect a 5700x3d only to show some kind of limit if i had rtx 4070 ti super, 4080 or a rx 7900xt gaming + heavy multitasking.

 

[freeagent]

My tuned 5900X is better than my 58X3D in some of my games. Like I said, even my tuned 5600X is pretty decent.

2R does make a difference, not sure how much it would help in you're case though.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Not shure ram would make a difference

I just wanted to have better usage of my gpu, 60-70% in a game i expect stable in the 90's i def think i don't have the power even when a 5700x3d is surpose to perform okay, even when it's not a 5800x3d with 10% higher clock, i expect a 5700x3d only to show some kind of limit if i had rtx 4070 ti super, 4080 or a rx 7900xt gaming + heavily multitasking.

Even this setup is not gpu limited in some games at 4k even by as much as 25% so there really is no combination that is going to give you 100% gpu usage all the time.



You proably need a 14900k maxed out or a 7800/7950X3D or bust to be happy with your setup.... Best to wait for future CPU.... Also I've seen people score 10% higher in this benchmark DGAF unless running identical everything with my same two monitors, same cooler, same motherboard, same ram, same ambient, it's dumb to compare otherwise unless you are way off. Also some people are ok running their cpu's at what I would call dubious settings just to get a high benchmark score.

My tuned 5900X is better than my 58X3D in some of my games. Like I said, even my tuned 5600X is pretty decent.

2R does make a difference, not sure how much it would help in you're case though.

For sure Ryzen is dual rank or bust but he is probably already on a DR setup given he has 2x 16GB dimms you's likely only see the 5900X beat an X3D when the game isn't using the cache or when gpu limited with both.... My 5950X with 3800 CL14 arond 52-53ns from my memory gets crushed by a 5800X3D in the majority of games with single rank 3200 CL14 4090 though at 1080p not really what I would consider a realisitc use case for either.

 

[freeagent]

1080p is like 480p

 

[oxrufiioxo]

1080p is like 480p

Sshhh you'll make the unrealistic resolution fanboys upset..... or maybe that's 720p.....

 

[AleXXX666]

my 50c:
- as advised above, 5700x3d for cheap - "old" (kinnda) platform doesn't deserve big "investment".
- LGA1700 - NO NO (even I'm IntelBoy and love 1700, 12600K etc. lol)
- AM5 - your opinion about x3d vs 7600X.

 

[gasolin]

Update

Tried super sampling for fun to see if it wil make a diffrence, boom cpu usage was 99-100%

Disabled it and tried ultra setting in project cars 2 (stock is high), restarted, boom knock on wood gpu usage was 98-100 %

Not consistant fps but 200-210 to 275fps +/- up to 10-15 fps (short peaks up or down)

Not shure it wil continue to use my gpu to it's full potential

 

[Sunny and 75]

knock on wood gpu usage was 98-100 %

Awesome!

next time i might upgrade when ddr 6 ram is latest and greatest, have launched

A fine idea.

 

[gasolin]

So a ryzen 7 7700 for lower price than my 5700x3d, spoiler allert it's not faster in games (but more expensive do to ddr 5 demand and mb, alot more than what i can get for what i have) and as you can see intel requires alot faster cpu to beat a 5700x3d = expensive and hot + one of the latest bios update decrease performance by around10% do to 13 and 14 gen cpus are getting super hot at the expense of there live expectation

 

[Sunny and 75]

one of the latest bios update decrease performance by around10% do to 13 and 14 gen cpus are getting super hot at the expense of there live expectation

Hope they can sort things out when they launch Arrow Lake, for competition's sake!

We need competition to drive innovation and for better prices.

 

[P4-630]

I mentioned intel

Also games run on e-cores as well, as you can see from this screenshot while running GTA V:

 

[gasolin]

Hope they can sort things out when they launch Arrow Lake, for competition's sake!

We need competition to drive innovation and for better prices.

And they do get hot those higher end intel cpus

 

[P4-630]

Well, I'm waiting for Arrow Lake.

 

[dgianstefani]

And they do get hot those higher end intel cpus

They run cooler than equivalent Zen 4 TBH (7950X - 14900K, 7900 - 14600K), while being faster in gaming and productivity than both. 7800X3D wins in single player gaming, but it's much slower in productivity.

This is on air cooling too.

It's easy to look at 100% synthetic load and imagine that's representative of normal use.

Also not hard to simply set a manual power limit or voltages without losing performance (sometimes even gaining it).

 

[JustBenching]

I just need an intel alternative, in case i think a 5700x3d isn't fast enough

Used i haven't seen any 5700x3d

So fare a 13600kf is a little faster than 12700kf but is a 12600kf a better buy do to a lower price and mabye lower temps, can it run at noticeable higher speed at the same temps as a 12700kf ?

When i know i can look for new and used offers, instead of looking an mabye miss a good deal since i don't know what excatly to go for, 5700x3d is what i would go for i i deside to buy ryzen

Update I found a 12700kf for the same price as ryzen 5700x3d

Im the first to tell people to buy Intel but in your case (4070 gpu) and since you are already on Am4 the 5700x 3d is kind of a no brainer.