Should i upgrade my cpu (rtx 4070) ?

[oxrufiioxo]

I only have a rtx 4070 not 4070 super

Eh it's only about 10% slower than a 3080ti so same difference it really just comes down to goals with a system the 7800X3D/7950X3D caps my 4090 by 20-30% in some games so it's a never ending struggle but more performance is never a bad thing in my book.

 

[gasolin]

Eh it's only about 10% slower than a 3080ti so same difference it really just comes down to goals with a system the 7800X3D/7950X3D caps my 4090 by 20-30% in some games so it's a never ending struggle but more performance is never a bad thing in my book.

You wil actually gain performance in games if you're limited by as much as 20-30% with a 7800X3D/7950X3D (you could play in 4k if you don't)

Much faster next gen cpu (no matter what brand) you should also feel like your gpu gets upgraded by only a cpu upgrade

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You wil actually gain performance in games if you're limited by as much as 20-30% with a 7800X3D/7950X3D (you could play in 4k if you don't)

Much faster next gen cpu (no matter what brand) you should also feel like your gpu gets upgraded by only a cpu upgrade

Even at 4k in some games actually, thankfully in the majority I'm not or I use DLDSR.

 

[Vayra86]

If you can live with a CPU bottleneck that is....

There is always a bottleneck, it really matters more whether the perf drops below a personal acceptable level, right?

 

[gasolin]

Or don't notice the bottleneck since everything runs fluid with enough fps

 

[P4-630]

I prefer having a GPU bottleneck, imo this way you get the most out of your system depending on the GPU you have.

 

[dgianstefani]

I prefer having a GPU bottleneck, imo this way you get the most out of your system depending on the GPU you have.

Plus a CPU bottleneck is more of a pain to deal with. I've never understood the "buy lowend/midrange CPU every couple years approach".

A GPU bottleneck is one part swap, and the old GPU retains a decent value or can be used as a backup.

A CPU bottleneck can be CPU, mobo, RAM, etc.

 

[Vayra86]

Plus a CPU bottleneck is more of a pain to deal with. I've never understood the "buy lowend/midrange CPU every couple years approach".

A GPU bottleneck is one part swap, and the old GPU retains a decent value or can be used as a backup.

A CPU bottleneck can be CPU, mobo, RAM, etc.

Me neither but here we are, OP is upgrading within same gen to a last gen part.

Im tryna find the logic here

Or don't notice the bottleneck since everything runs fluid with enough fps

Well yeah exactly. You didnt have that then? Its an easy upgrade so I kinda get it in this case, but is this going to make such a dent I wonder.

 

[gasolin]

I was recommended a 5700x3d or 5800x3d (to expensive, price vs performance)

I was talking about intel 12 and 13 gen but seemed to be to expensive + much higher power consumption,heat + better value for my money to get a 5700x3d (already have ryzen), i would love an i7 13700kf + z mb + 32 gb ram with high speed and low cl (hot cpu)

Some where even saying it's not worth upgrading to intel 12 or 13 or amd unless it's a 7800x3d, then we are talking about some serious money, i might only be able to get 200 euros for my cpu.mb and ram, 7800x3d + mb + 32gb 6000mhz cl 30 is around 690-700 euro

I thought my ryzen 5600 would be okay with a rtx 4070, but having alot going on, on my secondary monitor i was having as already mention gpu usage at mid 60's early 70's %, often freezeing for many split seconds (stutter or lag im not shure), that was annoying since it also peaks at both ends lower and higher than the mid 60's early 70's % for very short periods before it settled for around 100-110 fps (i can get gpu usage with the rtx 3060 i had with my ryzen 5600 in the mid 90's or a little higher in the same game dakar desert rally)

First gen x3d cpu would be a fairly easy upgrade if it can fix it, ryzen 5700x3d is much newer then a 5800x3d so they might have fixed some isues if they had some with the first gen x3d and by now they should have bios updates that makes it work perfectly and take max advantage of the higher L3 cache over the no ed chips 5600 (x) and 5700x

 

[Vayra86]

I was recommended a 5700x3d or 5800x3d (to expensive, price vs performance)

I was talking about intel 12 and 13 gen but seemed to be to expensive + much higher power consumption,heat + better value for my money to get a 5700x3d (already have ryzen), i would love an i7 13700kf + z mb + 32 gb ram with high speed and low cl (hot cpu)

Some where even saying it's not worth upgrading to intel 12 or 13 or amd unless it's a 7800x3d, then we are talking about some serious money, i might only be able to get 200 euros for my cpu.mb and ram, 7800x3d + mb + 32gb 6000mhz cl 30 is around 690-700 euro

I thought my ryzen 5600 would be okay with a rtx 4070, but having alot going on, on my secondary monitor i was having as already mention gpu usage at mid 60's early 70's %, often freezeing for many split seconds (stutter or lag im not shure), that was annoying since it also peaks at both ends lower and higher than the mid 60's early 70's % for very short periods before it settled for around 100-110 fps (i can get gpu usage with the rtx 3060 i had with my ryzen 5600 in the mid 90's or a little higher in the same game dakar desert rally)

First gen x3d cpu would be a fairly easy upgrade if it can fix it, ryzen 5700x3d is much newer then a 5800x3d so they might have fixed some isues if they had some with the first gen x3d and by now they should have bios updates that makes it work perfectly and take max advantage of the higher L3 cache over the no ed chips 5600 (x) and 5700x

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Ah yeah ofc you have those two extra cores now as well, totally makes sense then indeed if you run into trouble now. TY

 

[freeagent]

My other PC is a 5600X capped at 4800, and a stock 3070Ti.. seems ok to me. But it is only driving an old 1080p screen.

 

[Sunny and 75]

Update i have ordered a ryzen 7 5700x3d

Once again thanks for the help

You won't regret the decision you've made. God bless you. Amen.

 

[gasolin]

My cpu is upgraded

First impression

I had msi kombo 1-3 first time in the bios, now i don't, so i can't test it (some say it's just curve optimizer -10 -20 and -30), so fare stable at -20 (curve optimzer) knock on wood, max power consumption i have tested was 122-125 watt

Normal occt 69c, hardest prime 95 low to mid 80's, cinebench r23 multicore 13300 ish, boost up to 4050mhz on all core,threads

Apps open a little slower, games, i haven't tried games that takes advantage of the higher L3 cache (performe better than a ryzen 5600(x) )

So fare a ryzen 5700x is a better value for money since it's 2/3 price of a 5700x3d and has higher performance when not gaming

BUT if your hardcore gamer with no more than a rtx 4070,3080 or rx 6800 xt,7800 xt a 5700x3d is a good choice (havn't tested more than one game and that was only a benchmark), higher gpu i would recommend a 5800x3d although reviews say it get's hot

You get more max, multicore performance then 6 core cpus (for those who stream and think a 6 core ryzen 5000 isn't gonna make it) and better gaming perfomance than the 12 and 16 core ryzens but you would need one (be a hardcore gamer) to justify the 50% increase over a 5700x, since my first impression is that it doesn't give you close to 50% more gaming performance, fps, if how ever fps is more consistant and improved low fps, (stil have to test it) it's still worth buying

Price should have been no more than 10% over a 5800x or the same and the 5800x3d should cost the same as a 5900x costs atm (+20% over a 5800x)

ryzen 5600 score around 22000

 

[P4-630]

My cpu is upgraded

First impression

I had msi kombo 1-3 first time in the bios, now i don't, so i can't test it (some say it's just curve optimizer -10 -20 and -30), so fare stable at -20 (curve optimzer) knock on wood, max power consumption i have tested was 122-125 watt

Normal occt 69c, hardest prime 95 low to mid 80's, cinebench r23 multicore 13300 ish, boost up to 4050mhz on all core,threads

Apps open a little slower, games, i haven't tried games that takes advantage of the higher L3 cache (performe better than a ryzen 5600(x) )

So fare a ryzen 5700x is a better value for money since it's 2/3 price of a 5700x3d and has higher performance when not gaming

BUT if your hardcore gamer with no more than a rtx 4070,3080 or rx 6800 xt,7800 xt a 5700x3d is a good choice (havn't tested more than one game and that was only a benchmark), higher gpu i would recommend a 5800x3d although reviews say it get's hot

You get more max, multicore performance then 6 core cpus (for those who stream and think a 6 core ryzen 5000 isn't gonna make it) and better gaming perfomance than the 12 and 16 core ryzens but you would need one (be a hardcore gamer) to justify the 50% increase over a 5700x, since my first impression is that it doesn't give you close to 50% more gaming performance, fps, if how ever fps is more consistant and improved low fps, (stil have to test it) it's still worth buying

Price should have been no more than 10% over a 5800x or the same and the 5800x3d should cost the same as a 5900x costs atm (+20% over a 5800x)

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ryzen 5600 score around 22000
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If your GPU stays running at 97~100% load while gaming you're good.

 

[izy]

i would say get a 7800x3rd if u just gaming, rest ts relative , u dont want to deal with cooling

 

[Sunny and 75]

knock on wood

This^

 

[gasolin]

Doesn't seem to be much of an upgrade to me....But if your GPU stays running at 97~100% load while gaming you're good.

I was only using the dirt 5 benchmark

He went from a 5600 to a 5700x.....

5700x3d

 

[Sunny and 75]

5700x3d

You'll thank yourself later.

 

[P4-630]

gpu usage how ever was only 70% peaking at 88% it was most of the time 70-80% not close to 100%

Playing project cars

If it's now at 97~100% GPU load, you're good.

 

[gasolin]

If it's now at 97~100% GPU load, you're good.

Project cars 2 99-100% only running a little tabs in chrome and tidal on my secondary monitor, 99% of the time 100%

Update

Not super impressed about dakar desert rally + a ryzen 7 5700x3d

Fps all over the place fra 77% usage to mid 90's or just under 100 fps up 171 fps, yes i was excatly doing what i always do, having alot going on, on my secondary monitor

I mentioned intel because ryzen might not be up to it's task,job and if i sort of would know what to buy instead (still don't because intel get a little hot), i wouldn't have to ask first.

For a spilt second it goes down to 73% but most of the time in the late 90's, my ram are just corsair vengeance 3600mhz cl 16 which should be more than okay

 

[Sunny and 75]

Project cars 2 99-100% only running a little tabs in chrome and tidal on my secondary monitor, 99% of the time 100%

Update

Not super impressed about dakar desert rally

Fps all over the place fra 77% usage to mid 90's or just under 100 fps up 171 fps, yes i was excatly doing what i always do, having alot going on, on my secondary monitor

I mentioned intel because ryzen might not be up to it's task,job and if i sort of would know what to buy instead (still don't because intel get a little hot)


For a spilt second i goes down to 73% but most of the time in the late 90's, ram are just crasia vengeance 3600mhz cl 16 which should be more than okay

This is as high as you can go, given your AM4 platform. If you want more performance, upgrade to Arrow Lake or ZEN5X3D, when available.

Having said that, considering you now own a 5700X3D, a next gen graphics card upgrade (something like an RTX 5070 class or above) would serve you better in terms of performance gains, compared to a processor upgrade.

Remember, GPU first then CPU.

 

[gasolin]

In some games like Dakar desert rally i just don't get performance i would like to have and according to "comparison" videos

My cpu just don't have enough perform so my gpu usage is in the 90's in dakar desert rally

12600kf is cheap like a ryzen 5700x and a 12700kf is as cheap as my 5700x3d and only a little more for a 13600kf

Update now it's doing it in project cars 2 37-late 60 % or 90-120fps yesterday i had 220 fps in project cars 2

 

[oxrufiioxo]

In some games like Dakar desert rally i just don't get performance i would like to have and according to "comparison" videos

My cpu just don't have enough perform so my gpu usage is in the 90's in dakar desert rally

12600kf is cheap like a ryzen 5700x and a 12700kf is as cheap as my 5700x3d and only a little more for a 13600kf

Update now it's doing it in project cars 2 37-late 60 % or 90-120fps yesterday i had 220 fps in project cars 2

In order to get a meaningful uplift over a 5700X3D you'd need a 13700K/14700K or better and really these benchmarks were done with a 4090 so you likely would see 0 difference in most modern games unless you are using DLSS at 1080P lol smh..... You best bet is to stand pat and hope next generation CPU's offer more than what AMD/Intel are leading us to believe.

There are always going to be some games that no matter what CPU horsepower you throw at them it won't mater Witcher 3 NG is a good example you will drop in the the 65-75fps range in specific areas regardless of gpu horespower.

 

[gasolin]

Doing 1440p

But not close to mid 90% usage of my gpu, i feel i need more cpu power since 60-70 % usage is when alot is running on my secondary monitor

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Doing 1440p

But not close to mid 90% usage of my gpu, i feel i need more cpu power since 60-70 % usage is when alot is running on my secondary monitor

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So while you game you are loading the cpu on what ever you do enough to drop gpu usage 20%? What are you running? Chrome with even a billion tabs and youtube running wouldn't do that.

You'd need to be streaming or encoding video or something similar.