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SMT and Power Management Behind "Kaby Lake" and "ZEN" Windows 10 Restrictions

BlueFalcon

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why? - is another way to force implementation of win10....
Every launch of the next version of Windows is always accompanied by hate and negativity surrounding it, while these same users start defending the older version of Windows as the best ever! Not only does Windows 10 combine all the best features of Windows 7 and 8.1, but it also runs, boots, restarts, goes to sleep and wakes up faster than either Windows 7 or 8/8.1. On top of it, it has extra perks such as DX12 gaming support, ability to more freely multi-task seamlessly (multiple desktops, 4 separate quadrants on the screen, run 2 excel files side-by-side, etc.), and performs faster on slower systems than either Windows 7 or 8/8.1. Additionally, the upgrade was offered for free for an entire year. It's actually still possible to get the upgrade using Windows Assistive Technologies. I've used Windows 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and now 10 and W10 is the best Windows yet. Considering Windows 10 is going to be incrementally updated by MS over the next 5+ years, or even more, it makes no sense to stick to old Windows 7-8.1 versions for someone building a new system in 2016-2017.
 
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That's only supposed to be, legally, for people who use assistive tech.. that said, I agree with the rest of your post. :)
 

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It's kind of silly not to support the most popular O.S. (W7) to make it faster and more secure, especially when people already bought it and like it.
They are making it more secure though. That's the purpose of the "extended support" phase.
 
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Microsoft can try to scare people on to Windows 10 all they want, but a lot will never move. 7 is the end of the line as far as Windows is concerned, for me, as it is with many individuals and businesses. Loss of control, lack of security and foisting of tablet like UI and Windows Store are too much.

This is purely a scare tactic anyway. Intel have sometimes toed the 'Wintel' line before, aligning with MS, but I doubt they do here, and AMD certainly won't.

There's a roughly 0% chance of AMD not writing drivers for W7 and W8(.1) for Zen. They want to sell chips and regain market share. They're not concerned with MS' shenanigans.

I'd say there's less than 20% chance of Intel not releasing them, because if they don't, then they lose all those sales W7 and W8.1 sales to AMD.

Indeed, MS will most likely climb down quickly themselves when the time comes, when large companies tell them they'll be moving to 'nix.
 

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Microsoft can try to scare people on to Windows 10 all they want, but a lot will never move. 7 is the end of the line as far as Windows is concerned, for me, as it is with many individuals and businesses. Loss of control, lack of security and foisting of tablet like UI and Windows Store are too much.

This is purely a scare tactic anyway. Intel have sometimes toed the 'Wintel' line before, aligning with MS, but I doubt they do here, and AMD certainly won't.

There's a roughly 0% chance of AMD not writing drivers for W7 and W8(.1) for Zen. They want to sell chips and regain market share. They're not concerned with MS' shenanigans.

I'd say there's less than 20% chance of Intel not releasing them, because if they don't, then they lose all those sales W7 and W8.1 sales to AMD.

Indeed, MS will most likely climb down quickly themselves when the time comes, when large companies tell them they'll be moving to 'nix.
So what do you think companies will just never upgrade past 7? Fucking lagards. Guess what they will upgrade to 10 it will just take time, just like the upgrade to 7 from XP.
 
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Microsoft can try to scare people on to Windows 10 all they want, but a lot will never move. 7 is the end of the line as far as Windows is concerned, for me, as it is with many individuals and businesses. Loss of control, lack of security and foisting of tablet like UI and Windows Store are too much.

This is purely a scare tactic anyway. Intel have sometimes toed the 'Wintel' line before, aligning with MS, but I doubt they do here, and AMD certainly won't.

There's a roughly 0% chance of AMD not writing drivers for W7 and W8(.1) for Zen. They want to sell chips and regain market share. They're not concerned with MS' shenanigans.

I'd say there's less than 20% chance of Intel not releasing them, because if they don't, then they lose all those sales W7 and W8.1 sales to AMD.

Indeed, MS will most likely climb down quickly themselves when the time comes, when large companies tell them they'll be moving to 'nix.
Intel and AMD both officially have said that they will support only Win10 on Kaby Lake/ZEN.
Large companies have started moving to Win10, or at least have pilots running. Trust me, there won't be mass exodus to Linux.
 
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Intel and AMD both officially have said that they will support only Win10 on Kaby Lake/ZEN.
Large companies have started moving to Win10, or at least have pilots running. Trust me, there won't be mass exodus to Linux.
Yep. Working for an msp that supports over 100 small to medium size businesses quite a few have upgraded to 10. If they have legacy software that will only support 7 they leave the machines that need it on 7. Most currently produced and supported software will run on 10 and if it doesn't right now it will soon. Not a ton of reasons to not upgrade.
 
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RHEL gets 7-10 years of support (depends how old you go). But that's an enterprise product and even that doesn't get support for newer CPU architectures. I think RHEL5 is stuck somewhere at Haswell.
So does MS. 5 years mainstream + 5 years extended support.

RHEL on the other hand has a 7-10 year support length, with shorter intermediary phases that you are supposed to intermediately upgrade to (very Windows 10-like actually). On those versions, you also skip a lot of feature upgrades, and in order for their support cycle to work at all, RH (and others) spend a lot of time and money backporting stuff from newer bits.

Microsoft can try to scare people on to Windows 10 all they want, but a lot will never move. 7 is the end of the line as far as Windows is concerned, for me, as it is with many individuals and businesses. Loss of control, lack of security and foisting of tablet like UI and Windows Store are too much.

This is purely a scare tactic anyway. Intel have sometimes toed the 'Wintel' line before, aligning with MS, but I doubt they do here, and AMD certainly won't.

There's a roughly 0% chance of AMD not writing drivers for W7 and W8(.1) for Zen. They want to sell chips and regain market share. They're not concerned with MS' shenanigans.

I'd say there's less than 20% chance of Intel not releasing them, because if they don't, then they lose all those sales W7 and W8.1 sales to AMD.

Indeed, MS will most likely climb down quickly themselves when the time comes, when large companies tell them they'll be moving to 'nix.
I've heard this batch of arguments around 2006-2009 when people were clinging to their XP machines like limpets. I've heard the same around the early 2000s when XP launched and people clung to their 98SE machines just as hard. Happens every cycle, and every time they suck it up eventually or move away from Windows.

For a lot of companies, moving away from Windows isn't really much of an option. Between Windows-only software (Active Directory, MSOffice, Exchange for example), support contracts (commercial support for RHEL or Debian ain't free... and if you don't have a support contract, you almost always need to hire in-house talent to do it for you), the cost of porting stuff/migrating to new equivalent solutions, training employees and other things I've probably forgotten, it just doesn't make sense.
 
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