so whats with evga?

[ty_ger]

This is misleading. Just because something is outsource does NOT mean it is inferior. The truth is, I doubt it is exaggerating to say 99.9% of the products out there are either outsourced completely or use outsources components. For example, they may buy their blank boards from this company, their capacitors from that company, resistors here, coils there, and various ICs from different makers, then assemble them in a 3rd party assembly plant.

What matters is the initial design, and the quality assurance to ensure compliance with that design before the brand's logo is put on the outsourced case.

I think they are talking about margins, not quality. Outsourcing lowers margins.

 

[Princess Garnet]

EVGA going to AMD, that always seemed unlikely to me. XFX may have done it, but XFX did it at a time where AMD had a much more competitive market share against nVidia. The late 2000s and early 2010s was a time where ATI/AMD was probably as they ever were to nVidia in market share, and since then it's just been downward unfortunately. These days, AMD's is probably at its worst in that regard (?), so the market is seemingly far smaller, and that small market already has a handful of "premium" brands (Sapphire, Power Color, and XFX) on AMD's side vying for sales. I'm sure EVGA analyzed this and may have realized they would be competing for scraps, so to say. EVGA probably didn't have a big opportunity here, even if they wanted to.

And Intel is probably too small to be considered an option as of yet?

Or maybe EVGA just wanted out regardless.

 

[Shrek]

I think they are talking about margins, not quality. Outsourcing lowers margins.

I think Bill is right, pretty much everyone outsources. Corsair might add a few extra requirements over the standard model.

 

[ty_ger]

I think Bill is right, pretty much everyone outsources. Corsair might add a few extra requirements over the standard model.

What are you on about?
Person A is talking about margins. Person B says no, that doesn't necessarily affect quality. Person C says, Person A was talking about margins, not quality. Person D says Person B is right about it not being unique.

No one is talking about the same thing. How can Bill be right about something he never typed?

You know what? I think you are right about Taiwan.

 

[kapone32]

EVGA going to AMD, that always seemed unlikely to me. XFX may have done it, but XFX did it at a time where AMD had a much more competitive market share against nVidia. The late 2000s and early 2010s was a time where ATI/AMD was probably as they ever were to nVidia in market share, and since then it's just been downward unfortunately. These days, AMD's is probably at its worst in that regard (?), so the market is seemingly far smaller, and that small market already has a handful of "premium" brands (Sapphire, Power Color, and XFX) on AMD's side vying for sales. I'm sure EVGA analyzed this and may have realized they would be competing for scraps, so to say. EVGA probably didn't have a big opportunity here, even if they wanted to.

And Intel is probably too small to be considered an option as of yet?

Or maybe EVGA just wanted out regardless.

I hear everything you are saying but As Rock are the newest AMD brand and some of the best selling cards as well. The only reason they sell that well is because they are cheaper than Gigabyte and run quieter than MSI. The price is the mitigating factor though. Obviously Asus and MSI charge you brand loyalty.

 

[Shrek]

How can Bill be right about something he never typed?

Bill said:
I doubt it is exaggerating to say 99.9% of the products out there are either outsourced completely or use outsources components.

You said:
Outsourcing lowers margins.

I said:
I think Bill is right, pretty much everyone outsources.

 

[ty_ger]

Bill said:
I doubt it is exaggerating to say 99.9% of the products out there are either outsourced completely or use outsources components.

You said:
Outsourcing lowers margins.

I said:
I think Bill is right, pretty much everyone outsources.

What? That was your takeaway from what Bill said? Two paragraphs about quality were lost?

It's just weird man. It's a triangle of people defending what no one else was saying. You are implying that Person A and Person C are both at odds with Person B's statement, when none are talking about the same thing.

You know what? I think Bill is right too; except I think he missed the point.



Well, anyway, the takeaway is that EVGA will die because the owner wants EVGA to die.

 

[Knight47]

I wonder when they will release 14th gen bios for ther Z790 boards, latest is from March. And why does their Atx3.0 PSU only comes with 3year warranty?

 

[ty_ger]

I wonder when they will release 14th gen bios for ther Z790 boards,

Probably never.

EVGA is "looking into it" and "made a request". In other words, they have no employees capable, because they all quit or were laid off, and all EVGA can do is request a solution from their crack team of off-shores subcontractors.

Kingpin said that it will probably never come to fruition. "Sorry".


If you bought the motherboard after EVGA made a statement saying that they would provide a 14th gen update, get a refund.

 

[Vario]

I would have liked to see them produce Intel Arc or AMD Radeon graphics cards. Shame they abandoned the market.

 

[Shrek]

You are implying that Person A and Person C are both at odds with Person B's statement, when none are talking about the same thing.

Guess I need to learn my A, B Cs

 

[sLowEnd]

I would have liked to see them produce Intel Arc or AMD Radeon graphics cards. Shame they abandoned the market.

They wouldn't get the same kind of volume selling AMD/Intel cards that they did selling Nvidia cards. I'm thinking the math didn't work out for jumping ship.

 

[dirtyferret]

Heard from a PSU reviewer they are done in that market, figure I post it here rather then start a new thread

And a warranty is an obligation.

legally they must cover all warranties otherwise open themselves up to lawsuits include class action

from what i remember reading at the time of closure, they have always outsourced production to other oems more than any other big manufacturer

like 98% of all other brands that sell PC parts

I think they are talking about margins, not quality. Outsourcing lowers margins.

may want to read up on manufacturing cost structure

I think Bill is right, pretty much everyone outsources. Corsair might add a few extra requirements over the standard model.

Corsair has in house PSU designers & testing (as does CM) while manufacturing is outsourced.

 

[JohH]

Oof. I got EVGA power supplies with warranties ending in about 2031. And if they go bankrupt and assets are sold off to creditors then...?

 

[kapone32]

They wouldn't get the same kind of volume selling AMD/Intel cards that they did selling Nvidia cards. I'm thinking the math didn't work out for jumping ship.

Most likely an agreement with Nvidia that they cannot sell AMD cards for several years. Nvidia had a huge market that sold most of the Nvidia cards. The issue with EVGA was the founders cards and what Nvidia would charge for a GPU. Just look at Gigabyte, Asus and MSI with their over $3000 4090s when the founders was $2700,

 

[Makina]

EVGA 30-series cards were pretty expensive over their competition and 30-series was when Nvidia stepped up on their Founders Edition cooler design making them pretty good and worth consideration. I still remember FTW3 cards costing as much as other top of the line cards like ROG Strix, Suprim etc, and this was rough for EVGA as it just was a smaller player globally than Asus, MSI, Gigabyte or Palit.

Margins in the end just weren't there for EVGA when you added the price Nvidia asked for the chips and the competition from Founders Edition cards + all the other AIB partner models which are bigger players and can eat the lower margins. Damn shame, my old 3090 FTW3 was awesome and very simple to disassemble and do maintenance and only had good experiences from EVGA's customer service, but in the end you don't survive with those qualities, you survive with money.

 

[Frag_Maniac]

EVGA 30-series cards were pretty expensive over their competition and 30-series was when Nvidia stepped up on their Founders Edition cooler design making them pretty good and worth consideration. I still remember FTW3 cards costing as much as other top of the line cards like ROG Strix, Suprim etc, and this was rough for EVGA as it just was a smaller player globally than Asus, MSI, Gigabyte or Palit.

Kind of surprised you did not list PNY. They are as far as I know the only US based graphics card manufacturer left that is Nvidia exclusive, and does their best to provide a quality product and hire US employees. I know they do not go as far as EVGA did on support or enthusiast gaming performance, but they are one of the best ways to go anymore if you want an Nvidia based GPU of decent quality.

 

[cvaldes]

Oof. I got EVGA power supplies with warranties ending in about 2031. And if they go bankrupt and assets are sold off to creditors then...?

And then you do what everyone does in those kind of bankruptcy cases. You get in line with everyone else, show proof of monetary loss and then hope for a small payout: likely pennies to the dollar if you are lucky to get any compensation at all.

This is not specific to PC component manufacturers, it pretty much applies to any company whether it be a toaster oven or a service reselling hotel room reservations.

I have some EVGA AIO coolers and a B-stock RTX 3060 card and an RTX 3056 purchased retail directly from EVGA. If EVGA goes out of business I predict I will get $0 in compensation from them.

As usual, their major creditors would get paid first: the IRS, the State of California's Franchise Tax Board, their bank, the landlord, insurance companies, the utility company, suppliers, etc. Next, the employees would likely at least get paychecks for actual work done as well as vacation pay which by law needs to be accumulated in cash.

My guess is larger corporate customers would be prioritized.

Ordinary retail customers like you and me are pretty much the last people to get anything out of some sort of settlement.

Again, this is not specific to companies selling computer parts. This is pertinent pretty much everywhere.

EVGA would say you are important yet the cold reality is that there are different levels of importance and we are not Tier 1.

 

[Upgrayedd]

EVGA 30-series cards were pretty expensive over their competition and 30-series was when Nvidia stepped up on their Founders Edition cooler design making them pretty good and worth consideration. I still remember FTW3 cards costing as much as other top of the line cards like ROG Strix, Suprim etc, and this was rough for EVGA as it just was a smaller player globally than Asus, MSI, Gigabyte or Palit.

Margins in the end just weren't there for EVGA when you added the price Nvidia asked for the chips and the competition from Founders Edition cards + all the other AIB partner models which are bigger players and can eat the lower margins. Damn shame, my old 3090 FTW3 was awesome and very simple to disassemble and do maintenance and only had good experiences from EVGA's customer service, but in the end you don't survive with those qualities, you survive with money.

Uhh do you not remember the tariffs?
Evga was easily the cheapest brand after Nvidia FE. Strix was the most expensive.
At least in USA that was the case.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I wonder when they will release 14th gen bios for ther Z790 boards, latest is from March. And why does their Atx3.0 PSU only comes with 3year warranty?

Old post, but the answer by now (months later) is a solid never.

Most likely an agreement with Nvidia that they cannot sell AMD cards for several years. Nvidia had a huge market that sold most of the Nvidia cards. The issue with EVGA was the founders cards and what Nvidia would charge for a GPU. Just look at Gigabyte, Asus and MSI with their over $3000 4090s when the founders was $2700,

These GPUs never reached these prices. Barely the 3090's did at the peak of the crypto crisis. But I suppose you are talking CAD

Oof. I got EVGA power supplies with warranties ending in about 2031. And if they go bankrupt and assets are sold off to creditors then...?

Usually that is the case, yes. But in 9 out of 10 cases, you'll be hard pressed to find that warranty honored.

 

[kapone32]

Old post, but the answer by now (months later) is a solid never.



These GPUs never reached these prices. Barely the 3090's did at the peak of the crypto crisis. But I suppose you are talking CAD

In Canada the 3090 was almost $4000 during the mining craze. I know people like to quote US prices but all of us do not live there. In Canada PC parts are some of the most expensive things that you can buy. Even today on a Newegg a Open box 4090 is $2500 vs a brand new 4090 for $2900. Then add another 12-13% to that.

 

[Makina]

Uhh do you not remember the tariffs?
Evga was easily the cheapest brand after Nvidia FE. Strix was the most expensive.
At least in USA that was the case.

Yeah i cannot recall how pricing was in the US, but here in Europe and especially in Finland, FTW3 pricing was often extremely close or the same to Strix pricing, my 3090 FTW3 was 80€ less brand new than a similar Strix & my dads old 3070Ti Game Rock costed the exact same as a FTW3. Same with the more budget-oriented XC3 cards, pricing was often matched by Asus' TUF and other "MSRP" models. Not a massive difference unlike what apparently you had in the US which explains why EVGA was big in the US but not so much in other regions, atleast in Europe.

 

[Dr. Dro]

In Canada the 3090 was almost $4000 during the mining craze. I know people like to quote US prices but all of us do not live there. In Canada PC parts are some of the most expensive things that you can buy. Even today on a Newegg a Open box 4090 is $2500 vs a brand new 4090 for $2900. Then add another 12-13% to that.

It's that the Canadian and US dollar (what we usually refer to by dollar) aren't worth the same, and tax policies are different. It's the US that gets extra cheap electronics, though.

 

[kapone32]

It's that the Canadian and US dollar (what we usually refer to by dollar) aren't worth the same, and tax policies are different. It's the US that gets extra cheap electronics, though.

This is why it used to be great to shop on Amazon.com and Newegg.com. It was better when we had Tiger Direct, NCIX, Newegg and Canada Computers. One of the best ways to buy PC hardware is when the store is getting in new inventory. I remember getting a blower style 7950XT for $179 CAD. At that time 3GB was a serious amount of VRAM.

 

[Shrek]

Oof. I got EVGA power supplies with warranties ending in about 2031. And if they go bankrupt and assets are sold off to creditors then...?

I have an EVGA power supply that is known to be bad
EVGA 500W Review - Another One (PSU) Bites the Dust - YouTube