Socket 1366 Setup, still worth to Buy?

[TheUnbrained]

Hello Guys,

is a X58 Setup still competitive? I would get a Gigabyte X58A UD5 + Xeon X5680 for around 160€. I use an i7 3770 atm, so... can the X5680 perform on the same level, if oced? I would have 2 more Cores and could use 24 gigs of RAM. That all sounds like a pretty good upgrade (or better said, sidegrade with little goodies) to me.

Sorry for that dumb question and a big sorry for my bad english. Aaaaand big thanks in advance.

P.s. if its the wrong, sub, pls move it and sorry for that.

 

[Durvelle27]

I had a ASUS P6T Deluxe and it ran great. Nothing it couldn’t power through.

Running at 4.7GHx it easily kept up with my i7-4770 @4.2GHx and in heavy threads left it behind.

Was definitely a great plateform. I miss mine to this day.

 

[John Naylor]

I can not justify investment in any pre Sandy Bridge hardware.... and even that's coming up on 9 years old ... realistically, from a value retainage standpoint.... this is what I give users as a guide for what they can expect to sell in a reasonable time frame.

Rule of Thumb - Take your build cost and then subtract 10% .... then 5% for each month of age for 6 months (60% value at this point) ... then 10% for every 6 months thereafter.

0.5 year old - 60% of build cost
1.0 - 50%
1.5 - 40%
2.0 - 30%
2.5 - 20%
3.0 - 10%

Parting it out you can do better ... and if someone has a working box sans one recently deaded component, then you can squeeze some money out of the desperate situation.

We keep a stock of stuff peeps left when doing their new builds and we'll hold parts newer than 3 years in hopes that somone will wnat to buy them. But any parts older than 3 years we give away fro free if anyone needs. Wifie just left 4 sticks of 1 GB DDR2 on my desk that I assume she found in a drawer somewhere, that will go to whomever wants to pick it up.

 

[silentbogo]

Westmere is a very-very old platform. I would not build this as my main system (due to age, dry caps, wear on slots and components etc), but if you wanna do it for fun - definitely worth it.
I think it is still a great setup, especially if you get lucky with OC. I used to have an x5650 w/ Rampage II GENE and it was an excellent rig all around.
The only reason I parted it out was because of power/heat/noise, and because I couldn't use my collection of SATA-III and NVME SSDs to their full potential.
If you can find a big AIO w/ 1366 brackets, then it should solve the heat and noise problem (maybe even give a slight OC boost).
Plus you can try some FB-DIMMs. Those are cheaper and on some boards may even lift the RAM limit from 24GB to 48GB.
I used to run it @3.6-3.9GHz for daily use with the main focus on clocking my RAM as close to 2133MHz as possible. During winter I would bump my CPU to 4.2 to keep the room warm and cozy )))

BTW, 160 euro is a bit too much for this combo. I think I sold my "golden" x5650 + MOBO + 12GB DDR3-2133 for that much, and it included a nice Thermalright heatsink. 5680 wasn't that much more expensive at the time.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Not really, no. Power consumption is high. Heat output is high. Clockspeeds are relatively low. The architecture in general is quite inferior to the newer stuff.

Compare it to a i7-8700 to see what I mean:
https://ark.intel.com/compare/47916,126686

Pretty much the same paper specs but 8700 is half the power consumption and includes an integrated GPU. 8700 is significantly faster too because of architectural changes between then and now.


Unless you really need those extra cores, I'd stick with your i7-3770.

 

[Durvelle27]

Not really, no. Power consumption is high. Heat output is high. Clockspeeds are relatively low. The architecture in general is quite inferior to the newer stuff. Only reason why I'd consider it is if you really, really need 6 cores for cheap.

Compare it to a i7-8700 to see what I mean:
https://ark.intel.com/compare/47916,126686

Power consumption isn’t that much higher
For a 6C/12T it’s runs relatively cool
Clocks speeds can be adjusted
Architecture is still quite capable

 

[king of swag187]

Its still capable if thats what you're asking, but I wouldn't pay that price for it

 

[DRDNA]

Well another thing to remember is from what I understand is the Meltdown or Spector updates really hit them CPU's pretty hard. Just thought it was worth a mention.

 

[hat]

Well another thing to remember is from what I understand is the Meltdown or Spector updates really hit them CPU's pretty hard. Just thought it was worth a mention.

This.

x58 chips, even compared to your 3770, are old, slow, hot, and power hungry. Also, yeah, Spectre/Meltdown hit x58 the hardest, and if you want proper protection you have to find a modified bios somebody made with the fixes patched in (as opposed to relying on Windows Update to patch it in the OS).

It would have value as a secondary machine, but I wouldn't trade a 3770 for it.

 

[Jetster]

No

 

[dorsetknob]

CPU are inexpensive Motherboards are Expensive for Decent one's and hard to find
Power hungry when overclocked But they still hold their own.
as for cooling mine averages 24c to 32c light load and working hard ( 3.4ghz overclock )

all on an evo 212 push/pull fans

Bootnote 3 years ago definatly a yes today" maybe if you get a decent motherboard"

 

[FireFox]

@dorsetknob where is the X5690

 

[dorsetknob]

I'm looking at it Still got it Running need Sunglasses to use it so many RBG leds Hurts the Eyes
Besides i got a 240 rad ( for £25 to add to the 360 loop ) coming in the post

 

[_UV_]

In my own experience from having Gigabyte X58-UD7 + W3680 i can say:
IPC in line with AMD FX 83xx, same goes to power consumption
OCed to 4.2GHz it catches Sandy Bridge @ 3.8, but too hot, so i not use it higher than 4GHz, i don't need dead mobo
most motherboards can use 48GB of RAM, anything 1600-1866 MHz is enough

If you planing sidegrade from 3770, i don't recommend doing it:
- for games you get lower FPS or stutters in some places without OC
- for computing extra cores don't add too much, about 15-20% (OC ofc), until you need AVX, which it lacks

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Comparing 1366 10 yr old HEDT to current high end 8700k for instance is laughable MANY users here still have 1366 builds with high end i7's or xeons that can still defininately kick it with much newer systems and run with high end GPU's such as 1070/1080/ti etc etc if you want to game without squeezing every single FPS out of your system (8700k/32GB RAM/1080 Ti etc) then yes, a 1366 rig with 16-24GB RAM and high end GPU will still satisfy your nerdy gaming needs. If you're one of those who says 10fps at 120fps+ means life or death then unfortunately there is no hope for you. 1366 rigs can be had for relative peanuts and still kick some butt compared to much newer i5's and some i7's. if it's cheap enough then go for it.

 

[Durvelle27]

In my own experience from having Gigabyte X58-UD7 + W3680 i can say:
IPC in line with AMD FX 83xx, same goes to power consumption
OCed to 4.2GHz it catches Sandy Bridge @ 3.8, but too hot, so i not use it higher than 4GHz, i don't need dead mobo
most motherboards can use 48GB of RAM, anything 1600-1866 MHz is enough

If you planing sidegrade from 3770, i don't recommend doing it:
- for games you get lower FPS or stutters in some places without OC
- for computing extra cores don't add too much, about 15-20% (OC ofc), until you need AVX, which it lacks

IPC is much better than Crapdozer/versha whatever it’s called

And it does not run hot. I ran my X5650 upto 4.8GHz and it ran pretty cool with a H60 until I upgraded to a H100

Not many games even use AVX

Both stock clocks and the 3770K barely edges out the i7-980X which is equal to the X5680

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/142?vs=551


Nonetheless if you can actaully use the extra cores I say go for it if not than I wouldn’t bother

 

[_UV_]

IPC is much better than Crapdozer/versha whatever it’s called
And it does not run hot. I ran my X5650 upto 4.8GHz and it ran pretty cool with a H60 until I upgraded to a H100
Not many games even use AVX

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/142?vs=697
if you like it
Pls define pretty cool, especially how cool VRM and how much you pulling from wall @4.8
Games use doesn't benefit from AVX, but rendering exists

 

[silentbogo]

Not really, no. Power consumption is high. Heat output is high. Clockspeeds are relatively low. The architecture in general is quite inferior to the newer stuff.

It all depends on the CPU and how far do you wanna push it.
My x5650 was actually running below TDP even with overclock. It could handle around 3.6GHz at 1V Vcore, which translated into ~60W total load, according to measurements from ASUS EPU IC.
You only start noticing a huge ramp-up in power draw when you push it to 4GHz and higher, mostly 'cause it requires significant voltage bump.
For example, when I tried to push it to 4.8GHz, I had to increase Vcore to nearly 1.5V. Power draw went up so much, that my UPS went past 100% mark (>350W) and started beeping, notifying me of UPS overload. Considering my rig only had GTX750Ti and a couple of SSDs at the time, it was nearly 200W for the CPU alone! Though, my Thermalright Ultra did handle it well (no thermal shutdowns, no temps over 100C etc.).

Pls define pretty cool, especially how cool VRM and how much you pulling from wall @4.8

VRM temps largely depend on the motherboard quality. HEDT boards back in a day had much more robust VRMs and much better VRM cooling (some even came with VRM fan in the box).
If you don't push it past 150W, it should run under 90C max load, assuming that motherboard underwent complete maintenance (I mean thorough cleaning, thermal pad replacement etc.).
At least that's what I had on my puny Rampage II Gene. 45nm Nehalem is a different story...

Games use doesn't benefit from AVX, but rendering exists

AVX is cool and all, but not everyone buys those for rendering, and having AVX alone does not necessarily benefit the raw performance in rendering tasks.
Me and @CAPSLOCKSTUCK used to have Cinebench R15 races back in a day. Once you push past 4.4GHz, you can get around 1000CB on x5650. To put it in perspective, it's exactly the same number you'd get from equally clocked 6700K, or stock 5820K. All for the price of a new Celeron G.
Gaming is also fine (not CPU bound), assuming you are not planning to run GTX1080Ti or RTX series cards.
The only disadvantage these CPUs have, is a crappy single-core performance.

 

[R0H1T]

If money is an object, then yes otherwise anything newer is much better.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I switched last year from AMD FX 8300 to 6 core Xeon(X58) and I never regret it.....This platform is still VERY capable if you have a good mobo and your CPU is OC around 4Ghz+ you can pair this with any MID-HIGH GPU and still you will not experience any bottleneck...Also you can have maximum 48Gb on any decent mobo....GL

 

[TheUnbrained]

First, thx for these many answers

And second, more infos and questions from my Side.
So i actually use a Xeon X3450 in my 2nd Rig... and to be honest this CPU s**ks hard. Ive oced it to 3,4GHz atm and my idle temps are 40-50°c... and if i run world of tanks my cpu goes straight 80°c (Air Cooling, used on my old i5 2500, which runs @4,2GHz and temps were more less the half of that X3450)
Can anyone of you, with a Xeon eventually tell me, how high are the temps on which Clock?

My plan is to OC this X5680 (Im in hope that i win the chip lottery ) to 4-4,2GHz and pair it with 24gigs of ram (1600-CL9 to be clear), my GTX1070Ti and 240 rad. My i7 3770 + MB would go to my GF then. Btw i want this extra Cores for Hyper-V (I test and prepare VM´s for my Servers) and rendering (Fractal rendering to be clear)

 

[Zyll Goliat]

First, thx for these many answers

And second, more infos and questions from my Side.
So i actually use a Xeon X3450 in my 2nd Rig... and to be honest this CPU s**ks hard. Ive oced it to 3,4GHz atm and my idle temps are 40-50°c... and if i run world of tanks my cpu goes straight 80°c (Air Cooling, used on my old i5 2500, which runs @4,2GHz and temps were more less the half of that X3450)
Can anyone of you, with a Xeon eventually tell me, how high are the temps on which Clock?

My plan is to OC this X5680 (Im in hope that i win the chip lottery ) to 4-4,2GHz and pair it with 24gigs of ram (1600-CL9 to be clear), my GTX1070Ti and 240 rad. My i7 3770 + MB would go to my GF then. Btw i want this extra Cores for Hyper-V (I test and prepare VM´s for my Servers) and rendering (Fractal rendering to be clear)

It really depends.....there is many factors as you mention chip lottery but also mobo quality and your cooling solution....I personally OC my E5645(2,4Ghz) on 4,140Ghz(1,304V) on AIR for every day use and MAX temps on hardest tests(prime 95,linpack extreme,IBS,Aida64)are staying around 80c while in gaming they almost never reach 70c after many h of playing.....I menage to push this CPU up to 4,233 but then I need more V and heat becomes a problem yours X5680 have better multiplier and should be easier for you to reach desired speeds...GL

 

[Tomgang]

Right now i am not at my pc cause it under going an upgrade so it is taken a part. Riding from my phone so forgive the short post. I have alot to say about x58. Right now throw i keep it short.

X58 is a good learner to overclock and in gennerell a fun platform to mess around with. But yes as other say ipc is low and single is not the greatest any more but multicore is still pretty good but not awesome. Performance to watt os bad compared to modern cpu's. Gaming is great just ass long you dont are one of those that want all games running at 120 fps. But if 60 fps+ is your goal, then you are fine.

But you shut also consider getting a i7 3770K to replace your non k and oc the crap out of it. This will outperform that xeon in some games in particular games that are heavely depending on ipc and single core performance. Cause while this cpu has les cores, it do have better ipc per core and some games has better performance on few cores with netter ipc.

But i can share some benchmark.
Basemark vulkan test x58 is still so good it can keep a 4 plase and stay in top 10.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/post-your-basemark-gpu-scores.245354/

3dmark firestrike: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/21906959?

Cinebench r15 4.4 and 4.75 ghz score.

Far cry 5 bench maxed out in all settings.

As a last one my m.2 nvme ssd on x58.

 

[grammar_phreak]

Here is the U.S. I've managed to find a few people who were selling an almost full x58 setup with a 45nm Core i7 for right around $120 USD. That would be about 100 pounds. So all I had to do was add the Xeon myself and make a few other upgrades, plus I got a full system.

Right now I think you can get the x5680 or w3680 for right around $55-60usd/45gbp on ebay. x58 boards are in the $150usd/110gbp range. I'm not sure if you'd have to pay VAT.

The Xeon does overclock pretty well but I'm lukewarm to how it would hold up to a Core i7-3770 in gaming. I also have a straight-laced Core i7-3770 on a P8P67 WS Revolution motherboard and the multiplier caps at 44x or 43x (forgot which). There's about a 20% IPC difference between the Nehalem/Westmere and Ivy Bridge, so this wouldn't help the x5680 when single threaded performance counts.

Personally I would look for a Xeon E5-1650, E5-1660, E5-1650v2, E5-1660v2, and possibly the E5-1680v2 along with an x79 board. Sometimes you can find these parts at a good price. The E5-1680v3 really isn't cheap though but it would be a pretty cool thing to have if you own a compatible x79 board.

 

[TheUnbrained]

Here is the U.S. I've managed to find a few people who were selling an almost full x58 setup with a 45nm Core i7 for right around $120 USD. That would be about 100 pounds. So all I had to do was add the Xeon myself and make a few other upgrades, plus I got a full system.

Right now I think you can get the x5680 or w3680 for right around $55-60usd/45gbp on ebay. x58 boards are in the $150usd/110gbp range. I'm not sure if you'd have to pay VAT.

The Xeon does overclock pretty well but I'm lukewarm to how it would hold up to a Core i7-3770 in gaming. I also have a straight-laced Core i7-3770 on a P8P67 WS Revolution motherboard and the multiplier caps at 44x or 43x (forgot which). There's about a 20% IPC difference between the Nehalem/Westmere and Ivy Bridge, so this wouldn't help the x5680 when single threaded performance counts.

Personally I would look for a Xeon E5-1650, E5-1660, E5-1650v2, E5-1660v2, and possibly the E5-1680v2 along with an x79 board. Sometimes you can find these parts at a good price. The E5-1680v3 really isn't cheap though but it would be a pretty cool thing to have if you own a compatible x79 board.

After all i got a better offer than this 1366/X5680. A Sapphire Pure Black X79N + Xeon E5-1620 for around 160€, i think that would be better than this 1366 setup ... i will get an i7 3960X or an i7 4930K in near future and everything is fine i think or i save up some money and go for a 2011-3 build (which would hurt my pocket hard).

Anyway big thanks for all these infos