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Socket 1366 Setup, still worth to Buy?


Apparently x58 still rocks

But it depends on price. I got a Dell T3500 for $150 and purchased a W3680 from eBay for $90. Dirt cheap. Will overclock. Add my GTX 1070 and it will still rocks at games.

But replace a newer setup? Not worth it.
 
If someone where to provide benchs of a X58/1080 ti setup I could match it with results from my 8700K at a mild OC. But yes, X58 is still viable for a lot of games, but it is definitly showing its age
 
I think when it shows its age, it mostly has to do with a few considerations:

1) You do need to overclock it to roughly 4ghz - 4.5ghz in order to have it really compete against newer cpu's.
2) Higher heat output and energy consumption, mostly to do with mentioned above - having to overclock were the power draw does increase cause of vcore increase.
3) Lack of certain connections - No USB 3, No M.2 slot, PCI-E 16x 2.0 rather than 3.0 (not really that important since so far to my knowledge, there is no difference in performance yet)
4) Dead Socket. No longer supported.
5) DDR3 instead of DDR4. This is a kind of bonus and not. DDR3 can be had for cheap. And since this is triple channel setup, performance of a 1333mhz Triple Channel does around same as 2400mhz double channel.
6) I think maximum supported speed of ram is 1333mhz with best of the processors (980x or W3680). I could be wrong on this.

Outside of that, if you can pick up something like a T3500 and a W3680, you can use throttlestop and get it to 4 - 4.2ghz no problem from what I am reading, and with 12gb of ram in Triple Channel all for probably around $150 USD. I mean, that is really good. If you can get a 2011 v2 or v3 though, you can also do equally well especially since they support quad channel.
 
I daily a p6x58d-e and x5672 at 4.2. Im not a heavy user i mainly just game and it doesnt choke my 980ti. If you want to play games and want the most fps per dollar then x58 is certainly still an option. Anything other than that i dont think its very good of a choice cause its got long post times, limited to sata and usb 2, inefficient, etc. Its good for being raw fps/dollar but thats about it.

Im not getting rid of mine any time soon.
 
sepheronx said:
I think when it shows its age, it mostly has to do with a few considerations:

1) You do need to overclock it to roughly 4ghz - 4.5ghz in order to have it really compete against newer cpu's.
2) Higher heat output and energy consumption, mostly to do with mentioned above - having to overclock were the power draw does increase cause of vcore increase.
3) Lack of certain connections - No USB 3, No M.2 slot, PCI-E 16x 2.0 rather than 3.0 (not really that important since so far to my knowledge, there is no difference in performance yet)
4) Dead Socket. No longer supported.
5) DDR3 instead of DDR4. This is a kind of bonus and not. DDR3 can be had for cheap. And since this is triple channel setup, performance of a 1333mhz Triple Channel does around same as 2400mhz double channel.
6) I think maximum supported speed of ram is 1333mhz with best of the processors (980x or W3680). I could be wrong on this.

Outside of that, if you can pick up something like a T3500 and a W3680, you can use throttlestop and get it to 4 - 4.2ghz no problem from what I am reading, and with 12gb of ram in Triple Channel all for probably around $150 USD. I mean, that is really good. If you can get a 2011 v2 or v3 though, you can also do equally well especially since they support quad channel.
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Ad. 3. Just buy USB 3.0 PCIe card.
NVMe can be supported by either 3-rd party efi bootloader (Clover/Duet) or by legacy oprom (Samsung 950 Pro).
Ad. 5/6. Official support is WAY too conservative for LGA 1366. You can set higher DRAM Frequency if you OC BCLK, max. memory multiplier is x10 (160MHz BCLK = 1600MHz on memory). Memory bandwidth gets +50% boost with Triple Channel vs. Dual Channel.
So in theory, 1600MHz TC = 2400MHz DC.
PS. ThrottleStop doesn't work in Win XP (just a FYI).
 
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agent_x007 said:
Ad. 3. Just buy USB 3.0 PCIe card. NVMe can be supported by either 3-rd party efi bootloader (Clover/Duet) or by legacy oprom (Samsung 950 Pro).
Ad. 5/6. Official support is WAY too conservative for LGA 1366. You can set higher DRAM Frequency if you OC BCLK, max. memory multiplier is x10 (160MHz BCLK = 1600MHz on memory). Memory bandwidth gets +50% boost with Triple Channel vs. Dual Channel.
So in theory, 1600MHz TC = 2400MHz DC.
PS. ThrottleStop doesn't work in Win XP (just a FYI).
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But can you change bclk in throttle stop? If so, then that is good.

In this regard, you just have to make sure you have already 1600mhz of ram then?
 
@sepheronx You can change BCLK in BIOS, or with program MB manufacturer provided (like E-LEET from EVGA) :
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Even if ThrottleStop wouldn't allow BCLK manipulation - you can always try SetFSB (if your MB's clockgen is supported, it will work).

OC'ing 1333MHz RAM to 1600MHz - I see nothing wrong with that.
I got 1866MHz out of my i7 980X (memory used was rated for 2133MHz CL9, but I pushed UnCore quite hard) :
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After my old mobo died on me a while back now, my pc repair shop provided me with my current asus mobo. Changed to a X5650 from i7 940.
overclocked the x5650 to 4Ghz.paired with my 1080 and im well happy now.
all the games I play now are a breeze.

but will probably think about changing the mobo, cpu and ram next year though.
 
agent_x007 said:
@sepheronx You can change BCLK in BIOS, or with program MB manufacturer provided (like E-LEET from EVGA) :
zTHVCE5.png

Even if ThrottleStop wouldn't allow BCLK manipulation - you can always try SetFSB (if your MB's clockgen is supported, it will work).

OC'ing 1333MHz RAM to 1600MHz - I see nothing wrong with that.
I got 1866MHz out of my i7 980X (memory used was rated for 2133MHz CL9, but I pushed UnCore quite hard) :
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My system is a Dell T3500 so I will be out of luck I presume on getting bclk up. I know the EVGA board can do well but those boards are about $300 CAD. Double than what i paid for, for a whole system.
 
I'm running X58 on a Xeon X5675 overclocked to 4.2GHz. It does everything I need it to do and I play new games. However I don't know if putting money in the platform now is worth it. I will have to say, the X58 to me is probably the BEST chipset Intel has ever released and i've own Intel stuff since the Pentiums 1s. I'm so glad I paid extra to get the "HEDT" chipset vs the highend Core2Duos and Quads and the cheaper i7s.
 
i really miss the old days:cry:

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Yup, too bad about the power consumption of the X58. I used a watt-meter to monitor my X5675@4.2 and RX 570 uses the same amount of power at the wall socket as my 8600K@4800Mhz and GTX 980 Ti. The performance in TW Warhammer 2(that i play ATM) is less then half, for the Xeon and RX570.
Also while browsing with Firefox on Youtube, the Xeon system uses about 150 W while the 8600K one about 75W. But the X58 is a great backup PC able to run any game in 1080p with good framerates of 40-60 fps and High details.
 
droopyRO said:
Yup, too bad about the power consumption of the X58. I used a watt-meter to monitor my X5675@4.2 and RX 570 uses the same amount of power at the wall socket as my 8600K@4800Mhz and GTX 980 Ti. The performance in TW Warhammer 2(that i play ATM) is less then half, for the Xeon and RX570.
Also while browsing with Firefox on Youtube, the Xeon system uses about 150 W while the 8600K one about 75W. But the X58 is a great backup PC able to run any game in 1080p with good framerates of 40-60 fps and High details.
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Not necessarily....If you keep some of the CPU power saving options system will not use that much V....also depend of the CPU lottery some can easily OC on 4Ghz with 1,25V
 
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I had all of them on, vcore 1.27V, Asus Rampage II, with a Bronze PSU.
 
But how much more is this title over Origins? I mean in graphics terms?


Sounds to me like Ubisoft is just being Ubisoft.
 
Ahh one of the greatest platforms from intel, I'm still finding it hard to sell my x58 rig as I don't want to part with mine it's an amazing platform, at high clock speeds they'll easily do well - power consumption is the main concern really.
 
sepheronx said:
But how much more is this title over Origins? I mean in graphics terms?

Sounds to me like Ubisoft is just being Ubisoft.
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Don't know, since i stopped playing Assasins Creed at the 3rd one, with the American Indian. But if games start to use AVX this could be a problem for old platforms. And yes Ubi is Ubi :)
 
Looks like according to update in that article, they are working on a patch for older CPUs for Odyssey.

AVX said was needed for dunevo
 
sepheronx said:
Looks like according to update in that article, they are working on a patch for older CPUs for Odyssey.

AVX said was needed for dunevo
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Hope they release it without that trash
 
Durvelle27 said:
Power consumption isn’t that much higher
For a 6C/12T it’s runs relatively cool
Clocks speeds can be adjusted
Architecture is still quite capable
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Isn't much higher? One is 130w, and one is 65w. That's a big difference. It runs cool if you don't ramp up the clocks. My Ivy bridge chews as much power loaded as my x58 does just sitting there lol. Depending on the clocks on my x5690. Sure it is still capable, but depending on what it is it will do it slower most of the time. Then there is sata III and usb 3 and all that. If you are hooked on aida64 numbers, they don't tell the whole story.. I have both of my rigs in the same room and I prefer my newer gen system for just about everything. My 6 and 12 year old kids use my x58 now, I just maintain it.
 
I don't care too much on the wattage consumption myself cause electricity prices in Canada (west of Ontario) is rather cheap. Cheaper than most.
 
Well, my dream of a X58 setup isnt dead yet. Maybe i will get an Gigabyte X58A-UD3R for ~80€... this with a good old Xeon X5690 looks like fantastic "upgrade" for my 2nd setup. So eventually i will join this glorious X58 race soon :D
 
Well, maybe I was being hard on the old girl. I just gave her a fresh install and shes rippin pretty good. Smooth.. really smooth. I don't care about wattage so much either, but they do beat on psu's after awhile :D
 
actually still worth, and cool if she runs pretty good
 
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