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A leading astronomer has concluded that advanced civilisations are very rare or 'entirely absent' in the galaxies surrounding our own.




He used sensitive new telescopes to search for signatures of waste heat being emitted from planets that might indicate the presence of an advanced alien civilisations, but came up short.
After scouring nearby galaxies which show unusually high infrared emissions, which would indicate they were 'abonormally hot', the scientist said it could simply be a natural phenomenon.

Professor Michael Garrett, scientific director of Astron, the Netherlands Institute for Radio Astronomy and a researcher at the University of Leiden, said: 'Some of these systems definitely demand further investigation but those already studied in detail turn out to have a natural astrophysical explanation too.

WHAT IS THE KARDASHEV SCALE?
The Kardashev scale was created in 1964 by Russian astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev as a way of categorising a civilisation's technological advancement.
It is based on the amount of energy a civilisation is able to harness and use.
The hypothetical scale has three levels:
Type I civilisation uses all available resources on its home planet and has mastered the use of nuclear fusion.
Type II civilisation harnesses all the energy of its star while a Type III harnesses energy that exists across the whole galaxy it inhabits.
Earth has currently still to reach even Type I, and four further levels have been proposed to the original scale.
For example, some have proposed a Type IVcivilisation capable of harnessing the energy across an entire universe.




'It's very likely that the remaining systems also fall into this category but of course it's worth checking just in case.'

Professor Garrett was particularly looking for signals in the mid-infrared part of the spectrum which are thought to be a sign of advanced civilisations capable of harnessing energies on galactic scales.

These so called Kardashev Type III civilisations are thought to be capable of tapping into the huge energies contained within black holes and gamma ray bursts.

This sort of civilisation is thought to be the most likely to be capable of long-distance space travel.

A team of astronomers led by Dr Jason Wright from Penn State University recently drew up a list of several hundred candidate galaxies from around 100,000 that might host these civilisations.

Nasa has also been searching for signs of distant planets that may have the conditions to support life with its Kepler Space Telescope.

However, Professor Garrett, whose results are presented in the European journal Astronomy & Astrophysics, said he has found little evidence to suggest there were any galaxies near by inhabited by such advanced life forms.

Instead, he said the kind of infrared emissions coming from these candidate galaxies are more likely to be caused by natural astrophysical processes.


Nasa's Kepler space telescope has been searching the skies for signs of planets that may be hospitable to life. It recently discovered a planet called Kepler 452b which is the most like Earth yet discovered (pictured)

In particular, he believes they may be caused by dust generated and heated by regions of massive star formation.

'The original research at Penn State has already told us that such systems are very rare but the new analysis suggests that this is probably an understatement, and that advanced Kardashev Type III civilisations basically don't exist in the local universe,' Professor Garrett said:

'In my view, it means we can all sleep safely in our beds tonight – an alien invasion doesn't seem at all likely.'




However, Professor Garrett now hopes to use similar techniques to help search for less advanced Kardashev Type II alien civilisations.

Such civilisations are still considerably more advanced than our own on Earth, which has yet to reach the Kardashev Type I level.

He said: 'It's a bit worrying that Type III civilisations don't seem to exist.

'It's not what we would predict from the physical laws that explain so well the rest of the physical universe. We're missing an important part of the jigsaw puzzle here.

'Perhaps advanced civilisations are so energy-efficient that they produce very low waste heat emission products – our current understanding of physics makes that a difficult thing to do.

'What's important is to keep on searching for the signatures of extra-terrestrial intelligence until we fully understand just what is going on.'

Earlier this year, a group of physicists led Adam Stevens from the department of physical sciences at The Open University proposed a similar idea for searching for alien life.

In the paper, Observational signatures of Self-Destructive Civilisations, the team claims that if intelligent life is spread far and wide across the universe, chances are they have developed similar technologies to us - including the development of nuclear and chemical weapons.

And, like on Earth, they could use these weapons to start wars and bring about their own demise.

With this mind, the researchers studied the various ways in which such alien civilisations could destroy themselves and established that signs of this destruction would be visible using telescopes on Earth.

This includes nuclear wars, bioterrorism, the so-called 'grey goo' scenario and planetary pollution.

The current thinking around the hunt for alien life centres around the Fermi Paradox and the Drake Equation.




The Fermi Paradox questions why have we not found aliens, despite the existence of hundreds of billions of exosolar systems in our galactic neighborhood in which life might evolve, and was devised by Italian physicist Enrico Fermi in 1950.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

The Drake Equation, first presented by radio astronomer Dr Frank Drake in 1961, details the specific factors need for such civilisations to develop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Dr Drake said that any search for distant intelligent life must also be a search for distant technology.

With this in mind, Adam Stevens from the department of physical sciences at The Open University, in Milton Keynes with colleagues from the University of Edinburgh, University of St Andrews, and Cornell University wanted to see if such technology would create visible 'signatures'.

For each scenario, they detailed the types of signals that each would emit into the atmosphere and the likelihood of these signals being picked up with technology on Earth.

They believe that this approach may present the best chance of finding any evidence of intelligent life beyond Earth.

THE $100 MILLION HUNT FOR ALIEN LIFE BACKED BY STEPHEN HAWKING
A new search for intelligent alien life using two of the world's most powerful telescopes has been launched by leading scientists including Professor Stephen Hawking.
The telescopes will scour one million of the closest stars to Earth for faint signals thrown out into space by intelligent life beyond our own world.
Scientists taking part in the $100 million (£64 million) initiative will also scan the very centre of our galaxy along with 100 of the closest galaxies for low power radio transmissions.
In a second initiative, an international competition will be held to generate messages representing humanity and planet Earth, which may one day be sent to alien civilisations.
The new search for intelligent life, which promises to cover 10 times more of the sky than previous attempts, is backed by Russian billionaire entrepreneur Yuri Milner, who set up the Breakthrough Prize for scientific endeavours.
The attempt to find signs of alien life, which has been named the Breakthrough Listen Initiative, will draw on the expertise of leading scientists, physicists and astronomers.
Professor Hawking, who has in the past said there is certainly alien life out there but has warned humanity against trying to contact them, was among those to back the project.



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I've seen some scientists guestimate the odds of there being intelligent life in our own galaxy and they usually arrive at some number of planets with intelligent life in the Milky Way but we don't have any data to go by. So far we haven't found any intelligent life beyond Earth so we can't estimate the probability. If we did find evidence it would still be almost impossible to converse with them. Say tomorrow we receive a signal from a solar system 1,000 light years away. It would take another 1,000 years to reply and 1,000 light years distance isn't that much. It could be millions of light years distance.

Unless there is some highly advanced life that isn't bound to physical forms and can instantly travel around the Universe. We wouldn't be aware of them through any monitoring methods that we have if they didn't want us too and humans might seem to troublesome to even deal with.
 
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Inb4 returning theories about a 'multiverse'.

I still feel that would be way cooler than an alien race in our own universe. Reminiscing Jet Li in 'The One' :)
 
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Chance of life outside of earth 50/50
Chance of Intelligent life outside of earth 50/50
Chance of Intelligent life outside of earth smarter than us 50/50

what ever odds some scientist quote for life outside of earth ie 1 in 10.billion they are wrong
its 50/ 50 either there is or there is not............... simple as that
Personalty i'm the /50 of the 50/50 there is life out there somewhere

ps Do ancient fossil nematodes found in Martin Meteorites count as life (extraterrestrial but extinct)
 
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I can't help but feel like almost everything I read about the subject of "intelligent life other than our own" completely skips over some crucial assumptions being made:

Do we know for a fact EM-waves(or gravity waves for that matter) are the de-facto best way of communicating across the stars regardless of technology level? Seems a bit short-sighted, or atleast presumptuous to me.
Of course we cannot look for what we don't (yet) know exists, but the claim that "there is nothing out there" based on the fact that we cannot detect artificial EM waves imho might say more about us than it does about any life out there.

Do we know for a fact that they would have the same morals and philosophies as us? Things like the KARDASHEV SCALE rely on the assumption that an alien (race) would want to expand, and would want to use more resources.
Why can it not be possible for other beings to use their intelligence in order to be the least obtrusive to their surroundings as they can be? The fact that you already see this sentiment growing in some parts of our society makes me wonder about the possibility of this possibly being a more likely outcome of the development of intelligence, instead of the exponential expansion most of us seem to accept as the inevitable outcome.

More to the point of this thread: why would a prosperous alien civilization put out loads of heat at all? Seems to me like producing loads of heat is usually actually one of the most wasteful things you can do at any point. If i expect anything from a technologically more advanced race, it is that they can better control their energy, and purely by doing things in the most efficient way possible they all but abolish the concept of waste heat.

And then of course there all these ideas like the "zoo" theory, in which they actively hide their presence from us, although this atleast gets somewhat talked about.

Instead of just thinking about aliens as "more powerfull" or "more advanced" beings such as myself, I tend to think of them more like one could look at a rich kid, but then maybe with a stronger sense of responsibility.
If you as a species technologically can do pretty much whatever you want, what use it there to exponentially spread, produce loads of heat and disturb everything around you? This might be what a species driven by instinct would do, but not one that has managed to transcend its bodily and technological limitations.

As someone else said just before me :p
We don't know shit
 
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Paddypower currently offer 100/1 returns on the detection of alien life.

http://www.oddschecker.com/novelty/alien-existence/when-will-alien-life-be-proven
At our current technology level, which is best described with Jetster's post above:
We don't know shit
we could look for radio waves, which is pretty much hopeless. To put that into perspective, here is one of my fav pics where you can see how far our radio waves traveled from earth since we started transmitting those:

, so when those waves will reach anybody out there, we will probably won't even transmit radio-waves anymore for anything.
 

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Professor Brian Cox says alien life is all but impossible and humanity is 'unique'

The biological process which lead to intelligent life on earth was a fluke that is unlikely to have been repeated anywhere else in the universe, claims Professor Brian Cox.

The presenter and scientist blames a series of 'evolutionary bottlenecks' for the lack of extraterrestrial life on other planets, despite there being a mind-bogglingly vast number of them in the galaxy.

Humanity miraculously overcame them in a chance binding of two single cells merging somewhere in the mists of time, he said.

'There is only one advanced technological civilisation in this galaxy and there has only ever been one - and that's us. We are unique.

'It's a dizzying thought. There are billions of planets out there, surely there must have been a second genesis?

'But we must be careful because the story of life on this planet shows that the transition from single-celled life to complex life may not have been inevitable.'

He made the claims in an episode of BBC's Human Universe,
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BBC's+Human+Universe

adding that yet another freak occurrence - the meteor which wiped out the dinosaurs - allowed mammals and ultimately humanity to dominate the planet.

On the subject of the genesis of complex life, he added: 'We still struggle to understand how this happened. It's incredibly unusual.

'We're confident this only happened once in the oceans of the primordial earth.Life here did squeeze through.'
 

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Someone yank this guys funding. It could feed starving children or give a war vet a new leg.

Seriously we don't even know all the life on our own F#$KING planet. Yet we know about life 200 light years away. Seems legit.

This world needs an enema or at the very least a reintroduction of natural selection to mankind. To many are surviving childhood that by all natural reasons shouldn't.
 

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Professor Brian Cox says alien life is all but impossible and humanity is 'unique'

The biological process which lead to intelligent life on earth was a fluke that is unlikely to have been repeated anywhere else in the universe, claims Professor Brian Cox.

The presenter and scientist blames a series of 'evolutionary bottlenecks' for the lack of extraterrestrial life on other planets, despite there being a mind-bogglingly vast number of them in the galaxy.

Humanity miraculously overcame them in a chance binding of two single cells merging somewhere in the mists of time, he said.

'There is only one advanced technological civilisation in this galaxy and there has only ever been one - and that's us. We are unique.

'It's a dizzying thought. There are billions of planets out there, surely there must have been a second genesis?

'But we must be careful because the story of life on this planet shows that the transition from single-celled life to complex life may not have been inevitable.'

He made the claims in an episode of BBC's Human Universe,
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BBC's+Human+Universe

adding that yet another freak occurrence - the meteor which wiped out the dinosaurs - allowed mammals and ultimately humanity to dominate the planet.

On the subject of the genesis of complex life, he added: 'We still struggle to understand how this happened. It's incredibly unusual.

'We're confident this only happened once in the oceans of the primordial earth.Life here did squeeze through.'

How does he know it's incredibly unusual? That's the same kind of thinking that tries to estimate the odds of intelligent life existing on other planets in the Milky Way. He doesn't have a data set to go by. It's nothing more than an outright guess on his part.
 

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Just imagine for a moment a universe where humans are the only intelligent life. There are certainly philosophical and spiritual ramifications to that idea.
 

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WTF Caps, you mean to tell me that Mulder and Scully were wrong?!!! :eek:
 

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...so when those waves will reach anybody out there, we will probably won't even transmit radio-waves anymore for anything.

We're actually producing more radio waves today than we ever did, and it's not going to go down any time soon. WiFi is radio. So is cellular. The emerging IoT industry is entirely reliant on radio technologies like WiFi/Bluetooth/NFC. TV stations are beaming shitloads of radio-waves into space (satellites), and there are shitloads of TV stations.
 
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Professor Brian Cox says alien life is all but impossible and humanity is 'unique'

The biological process which lead to intelligent life on earth was a fluke that is unlikely to have been repeated anywhere else in the universe, claims Professor Brian Cox.

The presenter and scientist blames a series of 'evolutionary bottlenecks' for the lack of extraterrestrial life on other planets, despite there being a mind-bogglingly vast number of them in the galaxy.

Humanity miraculously overcame them in a chance binding of two single cells merging somewhere in the mists of time, he said.

'There is only one advanced technological civilisation in this galaxy and there has only ever been one - and that's us. We are unique.

'It's a dizzying thought. There are billions of planets out there, surely there must have been a second genesis?

'But we must be careful because the story of life on this planet shows that the transition from single-celled life to complex life may not have been inevitable.'

He made the claims in an episode of BBC's Human Universe,
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BBC's+Human+Universe

adding that yet another freak occurrence - the meteor which wiped out the dinosaurs - allowed mammals and ultimately humanity to dominate the planet.

On the subject of the genesis of complex life, he added: 'We still struggle to understand how this happened. It's incredibly unusual.

'We're confident this only happened once in the oceans of the primordial earth.Life here did squeeze through.'

Claiming that there is no other civilizations out there because you cant find their EM radiation during a short search is like sitting far out to sea a few hours and then proclaim that there is no ships on earth since you saw none. In short i think his dataset is to small to give any sort of accurate statement.
 

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Albert Einstein said, “There is every reason to believe that Mars and other planets are inhabited.” One can only wonder what qualified as life from Einstein’s perspective.




It seems Einstein was pretty confident that earthlings are bound to run into aliens beginning with Mars. Though modern science has yet to find conclusive evidence of “life on Mars,” conspiracy theorists andUFO hunters are convinced that Einstein felt there was life on the red planet.

As with all of his ideas, Einstein had a hypothesis about alien life, stating, “Why should the earth be the only planet supporting human life? It is not singular in any other respect.”

Interestingly, Albert Einstein’s argument has been proven right on multiple occasions when the various international space agencies, the most notable being NASA, found multiple earth-like planets which could support life.

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nice thread here...

there are two many possibilities and is hard to know which is true(if any..)...
-is our life real? or we're in a simulation like "matrix" ?
-is earth a "zoo" made for entertaining ?
-were we genetically engineered by aliens for labor force and than left behind ;why can't we use our brain 100%? will we become "gods" if we could?
-are they(our makers) still watching us ? even help us by not allowing a nuclear war?....
-is true we cannot leave earth due lethal radiation which exist in van allen belt (and further in deep space..including moon...so we never step there...)?

and so on... to many unanswered questions and secrets maybe; our lifespan is too short ...maybe future generations will know the truth.
 
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nice thread here...

there are two many possibilities and is hard to know which is true(if any..)...
-is our life real? or we're in a simulation like "matrix" ?
-is earth a "zoo" made for entertaining ?
-were we genetically engineered by aliens for labor force and than left behind ;why can't we use our brain 100%? will we become "gods" if we could?
-are they(our makers) still watching us ? even help us by not allowing a nuclear war?....
-is true we cannot leave earth due lethal radiation which exist in van allen belt (and further in deep space..including moon...so we never step there...)?

and so on... to many unanswered questions and secrets maybe; our lifespan is too short ...maybe future generations will know the truth.


And that's how this thread went off the deep end.
 

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And that's how this thread went off the deep end.

Deep end of what ? ( no its the shallow end of the gene pool )
Call the Lifeguard

about 600 years ago
when the White European Explorer arrived in the various Indo american lands
It was described as A Savage hostile land with no civilization

NO civilization that was the Belief at the time

sod the Achievements of the Aztec /toltec /maya of the civilised cherroke nation ect
the citys found in the amazon jungle or in central America...... not found at the time but with developed technology we have now found them.....
with the passing of time and the development of advance technology what was not found or not reconised now can be

so in hindsight Continental America Did have civilization we Europeans ( the peek of civilization of that time) either did not see or recognize the indigenous civilization

So the Claptrap being spouted about that we are the only form of life is just that
"" Claptrap ""

There is no proof that we are the only form of life or of civilization
 
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Who says aliens use same radio waves as we do? Anyone watched Stargate SG-1? I know it's fiction, but aliens there used subspace communications, meaning communication "data" was not going through their present time/space, but sort of through alternate dimension (iirc), meaning there was basically NO latency even at massive distances. Where our radio signal takes several seconds even from our own moon to Earth...

And I assume, if you use subspace communications, you cannot detect the signal using our known methods, because it's not actually present in our present time/space.
 

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Who says aliens use same radio waves as we do? Anyone watched Stargate SG-1? I know it's fiction, but aliens there used subspace communications, meaning communication "data" was not going through their present time/space, but sort of through alternate dimension (iirc), meaning there was basically NO latency even at massive distances. Where our radio signal takes several seconds even from our own moon to Earth...

And I assume, if you use subspace communications, you cannot detect the signal using our known methods, because it's not actually present in our present time/space.

A good parrall to your statment would have been Papa new guinea in the aftermath of world war 2

Natives in the central highlands upon meeting the white man for the first time were astonished and amazed these white aliens ( to them) descended from the Sky from thunder birds from the gods (early helicopters) they could kill with thunder (guns) speak to the other gods far away (Radio ) Heal the sick from illness that their shanmen could not (Modern drugs)
Food from metel rocks (Tin Food )


Ps they ate a few white aliens and said "we tasted like long pig "
Thats the stone age man encountering 20th Century man

and if we ever meet travelers from the stars for a while we will be that Stone age man ""again""
 
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Yeah, scientists assume aliens develop same solutions for communications as we have. But in reality, maybe their "radio waves" operate on entire different level not even by far understandable by/to us.

Such things happen even on micro scale. Give two different people same task of designing something and isolate them. They'll design different solutions for same or very similar end result.

Now separate "designers" (us and aliens) with massive distance in space and different evolutionary tree and remove the scientific bias (pre-existing knowledge of technology) and assume they both want to design same thing (for example wireless communication system). You can be sure the end solutions will be WASTLY different and most likely entirely incompatible on all levels.
 
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