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TIM is Behind Ivy Bridge Temperatures After All

Should Intel release a new IVB revision to address temperatures?

  • Yes, more OC potential is needed

    Votes: 109 75.2%
  • Yes, but not immediately

    Votes: 18 12.4%
  • No, Ivy Bridge works great

    Votes: 18 12.4%

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#76
there is nothing to be disappointed about, the phenom cant beat the 3770k in any benchmark anyways lol
But if you have a 2600k/2700k, there's no reason to get Ivy Bridge.. Unless your current SB chip is a complete dud.
 
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You cannot use retention bracket with IHS removed, which makes it hard to give CPU correct pressure
that can be addressed without much problem ;)
 

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that can be addressed without much problem ;)
You bet. I'm actually kind of hoping though, that we see shims for sale again, to make it much easier for average users to take advantage of.
 
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#79
But if you have a 2600k/2700k, there's no reason to get Ivy Bridge.. Unless your current SB chip is a complete dud.
Lower power usage overall. S-B doesnt scale well in power usage once overclocked compare to I-B
Improved Memory controller
PCI-E 3.0 - If you want this then your getting a new board and USB 3.0 native support and other improved perks like improved memory speed support on boards.

People upgrade for farless especially the so-called Enthusiast. 3770K and 2600k/2700k are all mainstream chips. I agree if you have a 2nd Gen i-Chip there isnt much to it. Although if your coming from a 1st gen i-Chip or lower the $10-$20 dollar differance is a no-brainer to go with Ivy-Bridge.
 
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#80
Well this mean buyer will have to change the Thermal paste i hope some guide soon tell the buyer how to do it safely :p 4.6Ghz at 1.2V for +20$ then Sandy look Tempting for new buyer
 
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#81
you must be high. We don't need a video for this. The overclock is not lazy at all from 3.5ghz to 4.6, and maybe you should learn another language so you can read these things :p
4.6 isn't that hefty.

However, its a good reference point at displaying differences between a single variable and stock.
 

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#82
But if you have a 2600k/2700k, there's no reason to get Ivy Bridge.. Unless your current SB chip is a complete dud.
the thing is if you dont already have sandy bridge go for ivy if you have sandy stick with it.... ivy bridge is close to the same price
 
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By the time they fix this you might as well get haswell.
 
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#84
By the time they fix this you might as well get haswell.
Seeing people systems specs and reading the forums I havent read many post that this will actually effect them.

Its more of a look we found an issue so we pile on and everyone seams to jump on the bandwagon to justify there purchase or lack of it.
More like a child saying no I want same temps and same volts on I-B that I had on S-B, no no no..

I dont know, I bet 1% of people here it will make a differance to. The overcloakers that arent penny pinching. Could probably count them on one hand but then again they arent buying mainstream chips either.

There goes that theory eh? :banghead:
 

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#85
Lower power usage overall. S-B doesnt scale well in power usage once overclocked compare to I-B
Improved Memory controller
PCI-E 3.0 - If you want this then your getting a new board and USB 3.0 native support and other improved perks like improved memory speed support on boards.

People upgrade for farless especially the so-called Enthusiast. 3770K and 2600k/2700k are all mainstream chips. I agree if you have a 2nd Gen i-Chip there isnt much to it. Although if your coming from a 1st gen i-Chip or lower the $10-$20 dollar differance is a no-brainer to go with Ivy-Bridge.
Yes, I know about IB. PCI-E 3.0 doesn't make a difference, USB 3.0 isn't a part of IB but the chipset. IB takes more voltage to overclock and scales about the same.
 
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#86
I dont think intel would shoot themselves in the arm land do that for no reason. They just dont wanna compete with themselves. Meaning ivy bridge being equal tosandy bridge is a win for them as ivy have a tiny 160mm2 die sizes so their margin is even bigger, what ivy is targeted at is mobile, if u comparesb mobile and ivy bridge mobile u willl notice that ivy achieves much higher frequencies and not ivy ultrabooks will perform like sandy bridge notebooks which is a big improvement.
So ivy takes the mobile market as thats what tocks are practical for as being improved process and lower power/TDP while they keep the high end with sb extreme where for thst market po wer consumption isnt as important as max overclock and oc headroom.
 

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I'm not really concerned with power usage since SB really doesn't use that much to begin with.
17 at idle and 69 at load differance isnt exactly same

Well to say your not concern with it is one thing but saying its wasnt there is ignoring a feature and an improvement thats there.

:toast:
 

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i just want to know how INTEL with the best engineers and testers miss something stupid like that?????
 
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i just want to know how INTEL with the best engineers and testers miss something stupid like that?????
Maybe it was intentional? Tired of OC'ers getting stupidly high performance from their CPUs. There's no real-world usage reason to upgrade when all you have to do is plop up the clocks a few Ghz.

If you think about it, today's IB i5's at stock clock are probably comparable to a 4600mhz qx9650. So a 5ghz 2700k is probably comparable to the next gen's processors at stock clock. Basically a free 3 years of RnD.. surely that costs intel some money?
 

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i just want to know how INTEL with the best engineers and testers miss something stupid like that?????
Maybe it was intentional? Tired of OC'ers getting stupidly high performance from their CPUs. There's no real-world usage reason to upgrade when all you have to do is plop up the clocks a few Ghz.

If you think about it, today's IB i5's at stock clock are probably comparable to a 4600mhz qx9650. So a 5ghz 2700k is probably comparable to the next gen's processors at stock clock. Basically a free 3 years of rnd.. surely that costs intel some money?
It had to be intentional and I believe I may have nailed it with the marketers and beancounters: :)

I can't believe Intel spent a decade and poured all those billions into developing their impressive 3D transistors, only to squander that advantage over some crappy TIM! :nutkick:

I promise you it wasn't the engineers that wanted it, but the marketers and beancounters within the company. The arguments must have been something else. Shame none of that leaked out.

I'm so glad I didn't jump into IB and got my lovely 2700K. :D

Right, you heard this prediction here first: Intel will backpedal on this decision now that this is out and make a new version of IB with either better TIM or a proper solder connection. They will then offer an optional recall of these processors soon after for the fixed versions.
 
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Yup...... Intels main competitor is itself.....overclocked last generation equal current gen.....the true ivy bridge would go toe to toe with has...a...well...full of profit for intel:laugh:
 
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i just want to know how INTEL with the best engineers and testers miss something stupid like that?????
I've been assured that they did this on purpose and it was an excellent business decision.... :eek:





I don't agree with them however. I think it was really stupid. :p
 
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Unless intel has a 'special' ...black/ultra/XX version around the corner without any tatical errors
 
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#97
It is a mystery why they switched back to thermal paste. It must be cheaper, or easier to assemble, or there's something special to 22nm?

AMD still uses paste, I think.

To me, Ivy Bridge is most interesting in low power applications. Can't wait to see the new ultrabooks. For desktop, bring on Haswell...
 
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Hahaha. Once I saw and posted the delidding here, I knew it wasn't a power density issue. Intel is too smart for that. Now the question is why use TIM vs Fluxless? If they used fluxless, would 5GHz be too easily obtainable maybe? I don't know, but I can't wait to find out.
 
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You bet. I'm actually kind of hoping though, that we see shims for sale again, to make it much easier for average users to take advantage of.
Won't happen. Two chips alone (3770K and 3750K) are not enough to justify the expense for the R&D, especially with maaaaybe a chance of a new revision. By then, Haswell will be out or close to it.
 
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Won't happen. Two chips alone (3770K and 3750K) are not enough to justify the expense for the R&D, especially with maaaaybe a chance of a new revision. By then, Haswell will be out or close to it.
Bullshit. A shim is a bit of metal that will brace the CPU agains the heatsink, and prevent damage to the core. NO R&D involved, jsut a couple of measurements, and cutting some metal, or even plastic.

like this:








You can pretty much guarantee that extreme guys are gonna want one.