Time for a new Processor?

[Cowboystrekk]

Still can't beat the Intel Core i5-12400F for $229.99 cdn , its the best price to performance cpu out there​

I disagree. B660B motherboards are way more expensive, overall price ends up above 5600+B550.

Where I live:
5600 240usd+B550 80usd=320usd
12400F 220usd+B660 135usd= 355usd

Stock in gaming they perform similar, in rendering 12400F is a bit faster, in compression 5600 wins.

However if you tune both 12400F maxes out at 3400-3600 ram in G1, while 5600 almost always do 3800. Pbo+CO gives you up to 5% boost on top so if both are good tuned 5600 will be up to 5-10% faster in games.

If you buy a new system I would rather buy 12600KF for 280usd+Z690 for 200usd, up to 20% faster than 5600X.

 

[Frick]

5600 or maybe the 5500, depending on price where you live.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

5600 or maybe the 5500, depending on price where you live.

I would not get 5500 unless you plan to do a solid ram oc (4000+). Stock performance is about 15% below 5600 according to tomshardware, price is only 20% lower.

 

[cyberloner]

go for it...

 

[dgianstefani]

5800x3d is calling

 

[Frick]

I would not get 5500 unless you plan to do a solid ram oc (4000+). Stock performance is about 15% below 5600 according to tomshardware, price is only 20% lower.

If strapped for cash 85% of the performance for 80% of the cost sounds good.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

If strapped for cash 85% of the performance for 80% of the cost sounds good.

Remember cost of rest of system. If you spend 1000usd on whole system vs 1040usd and the latter gives you 15% more perf

 

[Frick]

Remember cost of rest of system. If you spend 1000usd on whole system vs 1040usd and the latter gives you 15% more perf

Absolutely, but the OP was looking at upgrading just the CPU, not the entire system.

 

[mb194dc]

Did you oveclock your R5 1600 yet? Should be able to get 3.8-3.9 out of it all core even on the stock cooler. Will make a decent difference.

 

[JrRacinFan]

solid ram oc (4000+).

Yes but also remember diminishing results past 3600Mhz as well. Just a thought. If you want new and to save the $60 I too would also go with the 5500. Also, to whomever said 50% difference between the 5600x and 3600, that is not true at all. It's more like a 20% difference.

Id scour ebay for an R5 3600 IMO, here once the new Ryzen cpus drop.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Yes but also remember diminishing results past 3600Mhz as well. Just a thought. If you want new and to save the $60 I too would also go with the 5500. Also, to whomever said 50% difference between the 5600x and 3600, that is not true at all. It's more like a 20% difference.

Id scour ebay for an R5 3600 IMO, here once the new Ryzen cpus drop.

Vermeer scales little past 3800, Cezanne scales well above 4000, some samples even scale past 4500.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Vermeer scales little past 3800, Cezanne scales well above 4000, some samples even scale past 4500.

Please, show me real world results. Not synthetics or benchmarks.

 

[eidairaman1]

5600X at the least as an upgrade, otherwise if the motherboard has the metal a 5800/5700X.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Please, show me real world results. Not synthetics or benchmarks.

Ryzen 5 5600G и Ryzen 7 5700G. — Тест CPU и iGPU - YouTube 26:58

For instance:
5600X scales from 81 to 100fps in Watch dogs going from 3600xmp to 3800, 5700G scales from 77 to 103fps going from 3600xmp to 4533tuned so from 5% slower to 3% faster thanks to 733MHz faster ram. It is possible for a 5600X to scale past 3800, but you need to be lucky with your sample and tune ProcODT, VDD18 etc. Mine does, but scaling is better fraom 3600 to 3800 than from 3800 to 4000, all settings max tuned for my B-die.

 

[Corduroy2739]

Ryzen 5 5600G и Ryzen 7 5700G. — Тест CPU и iGPU - YouTube 26:58

For instance:
5600X scales from 81 to 100fps in Watch dogs going from 3600xmp to 3800, 5700G scales from 77 to 103fps going from 3600xmp to 4533tuned so from 5% slower to 3% faster thanks to 733MHz faster ram. It is possible for a 5600X to scale past 3800, but you need to be lucky with your sample and tune ProcODT, VDD18 etc. Mine does, but scaling is better fraom 3600 to 3800 than from 3800 to 4000, all settings max tuned for my B-die.

Overclocking your memory past 3800mhz on Amd ryzen or more is not 1 to 1 in the infinity fabric ratio, so by overclocking you're memory past 4000mhz or higher will cause diminishing returns due to not being 1 to 1

You're better off clocking the memory to max speed of 3800mhz and then tighting the timings much as possible on amd systems

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Overclocking your memory past 3800mhz on Amd ryzen or more is not 1 to 1 in the infinity fabric ratio, so by overclocking you're memory past 4000mhz or higher will cause diminishing returns due to not being 1 to 1

You're better off clocking the memory to max speed of 3800mhz and then tighting the timings much as possible on amd systems

On some 5000 you can overclock past 3800, I can run 4133\2066 in sync. Cezanne works differently on monodie and is in sync to 4200-2600 depending on luck.

 

[JrRacinFan]

Ryzen 5 5600G и Ryzen 7 5700G. — Тест CPU и iGPU - YouTube

this link shows me nothing, sorry.

 

[tabascosauz]

Overclocking your memory past 3800mhz on Amd ryzen or more is not 1 to 1 in the infinity fabric ratio, so by overclocking you're memory past 4000mhz or higher will cause diminishing returns due to not being 1 to 1

You're better off clocking the memory to max speed of 3800mhz and then tighting the timings much as possible on amd systems

On some 5000 you can overclock past 3800, I can run 4133\2066 in sync. Cezanne works differently on monodie and is in sync to 4200-2600 depending on luck.View attachment 242621

APU Ryzen are not the same design as desktop Ryzen. My 4650G did 1:1 with iGPU @ 4400, my 5600G did the same. My 5700G does 4400 1:1 with iGPU, 4466-4533 1:1 without iGPU.

The problem with suggesting Cezanne for dGPU use is that the B-die you need in order to hit those profiles (say, 4400CL16) are not cheap. Viper Steels are an okay bet for say 4200CL16 usually (not even then is it guaranteed for the 4000CL19 and 4133CL19 bins). Especially if you're looking at dual rank kits like any Ryzen owner should be.

At that point you may as well have gotten a 5700X (or even a 5800X3D) and called it a day. They come out of the gates faster than any Cezanne without any tweaking. Mem OC for the sake of mem OC can be fun but I have a feeling that's not what most people are looking for here.

 

[SL2]

The OP's motherboard doesn't support Cezanne at all, not even the older models from last year.

It does support the new 5000 Vermeer models that are released this month: 5800X3D, 5700X, and 5600.

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The 5600 is a good choice, but the price will probably go down. As the upgrade won't give any insane benefits I would wait 6 months or so until the next generation is released.

Maybe even the 5700X have a bit lower price by then, but right now it's been on the market for one day..

 

[Corduroy2739]

APU Ryzen are not the same design as desktop Ryzen. My 4650G did 1:1 with iGPU @ 4400, my 5600G did the same. My 5700G does 4400 1:1 with iGPU, 4466-4533 1:1 without iGPU.

The problem with suggesting Cezanne for dGPU use is that the B-die you need in order to hit those profiles (say, 4400CL16) are not cheap. Viper Steels are an okay bet for say 4200CL16 usually (not even then is it guaranteed for the 4000CL19 and 4133CL19 bins). Especially if you're looking at dual rank kits like any Ryzen owner should be.

At that point you may as well have gotten a 5700X (or even a 5800X3D) and called it a day. They come out of the gates faster than any Cezanne without any tweaking. Mem OC for the sake of mem OC can be fun but I have a feeling that's not what most people are looking for here.

I got unlikely with my patraiot viper cl8 3600mhz 16gb kit, its hynix, but lose timings i can push them easy to 4533mhz, same for my Adata xpg 3200mhz 16gb kit same thing its hk hynix goes to 4533 mhz aswell but i set all 4 sticks to 3600mhz with tight timings and call it a day

On some 5000 you can overclock past 3800, I can run 4133\2066 in sync. Cezanne works differently on monodie and is in sync to 4200-2600 depending on luck.View attachment 242621

Nice man i never knew infinty fabric goes past 2000mhz, and that's vipers Bdie correct?

 

[Cowboystrekk]

I got unlikely with my patraiot viper cl8 3600mhz 16gb kit, its hynix, but lose timings i can push them easy to 4533mhz, same for my Adata xpg 3200mhz 16gb kit same thing its hk hynix goes to 4533 mhz aswell but i set all 4 sticks to 3600mhz with tight timings and call it a day


Nice man i never knew infinty fabric goes past 2000mhz, and that's vipers Bdie correct?

It sometimes go above 3800\1900, but many can`t boot, many of those who can boot gets lots of WHEA19-errors that can slow down the system. Usually only singel CCD CPUs like 5600X and 5800X in combo with a 2 DIMM motherboard can run above 3800\1900 without problems, but even then you need to tweak several voltages etc. ITX board, a few mATX boards and some very high end ATX-boards have only 2 DIMM slots which makes ram OC easier due to shorter traces\less complexity vs 4 DIMM motherboards that use Daisy chain og T-topology.

Yeah, Viper 4400cl19. Not a good bin, pretty avg.