Titan V is Supported under RTX in new Driver

RejZoR · Sep 21, 2018

People seem to only know those two. There can't possibly be one using NVIDIA and also be vocal about its features while not hating it. It's impossible in their books.

Vayra86 · Sep 21, 2018

RejZoR said:
People seem to only know those two. There can't possibly be one using NVIDIA and also be vocal about its features while not hating it. It's impossible in their books.

Blame internet. Don't take anything personal and you will survive. Take people seriously and you will suffer.

Its almost like the real world

Assimilator · Sep 21, 2018

purecain said:
ok, I think all those certain of what the gpu is capable of and not without even seeing it run the code are just guessing.
my TV is a beast and im sure with its much beefier gpu compared with turing, the 3000pound card wont have any issues whatsoever. it certainly wont be a slideshow. but now you have me speculating on performance. we dont know until its run. Anyone with a titan V should be able to run and rtx effects and weather its good or bad, all I was saying is that it works but more importantly and what seems to of gone over thhe heads of a few people here is that its included in the driver and supported to use rtx officially. so I dont think the implementation will be that bad. the 'rt core' you speak of isnt what you think. there is functionality there with volta, the card used to implement these effects. and now the new Quadro cards 3000 and 4000....

You're choosing to ignore the evidence that your card is not capable of running raytraced workloads at a decent framerate... because it cost a lot of money.

...

I just... I can't.

Vayra86 · Sep 21, 2018

purecain said:
ok, I think all those certain of what the gpu is capable of and not without even seeing it run the code are just guessing.
my TV is a beast and im sure with its much beefier gpu compared with turing, the 3000pound card wont have any issues whatsoever. it certainly wont be a slideshow. but now you have me speculating on performance. we dont know until its run. Anyone with a titan V should be able to run and rtx effects and weather its good or bad, all I was saying is that it works but more importantly and what seems to of gone over thhe heads of a few people here is that its included in the driver and supported to use rtx officially. so I dont think the implementation will be that bad. the 'rt core' you speak of isnt what you think. there is functionality there with volta, the card used to implement these effects. and now the new Quadro cards 3000 and 4000....

You make some interesting points. But I just cannot shake the feeling this is mostly buyer's remorse in disguise.

Let's face it, you have been warned when you were about to buy one. Your Titan V isn't a beast, its just an older GPU and an overly expensive one at that for the performance it offers. Something most people would call a monumental waste of money. RTX 'support' doesn't really change that and having Tensor cores on board doesn't either. You basically bought a 3000 dollar RTX 2080 with severely handicapped RTX performance. And here you are, happy that Nvidia releases a driver for it...

Sadness.

cucker tarlson · Sep 21, 2018

How many tensor does TV have ? Cause to be frank DLSS seems like a much more revolutionary tech at this point than RTRT.

Titan V is gonna be bad for RTRT, 2080Ti can run circles around V100 in demos.

londiste · Sep 21, 2018

Vayra86 said:
Your Titan V isn't a beast, its just an older GPU and an overly expensive one at that for the performance it offers. Something most people would call a monumental waste of money. RTX 'support' doesn't really change that and having Tensor cores on board doesn't either. You basically bought a 3000 dollar RTX 2080 with severely handicapped RTX performance.

Titan V is a beast. It has about 30% more raw compute power than 2080 and a little more than even the big 2080Ti.
Not to mention it being a compute-oriented architecture with 1:2 FP64 compute and twice the FP16 compute.

Gaming never took off on it and some of Titan V's issues (like uncharacteristically low frametimes in some games) can also be seen in Turing card reviews. This is not surprising as Turing is based on Volta. It is entirely possible that drivers need more work and now they might get it and help Titan V along with Turings.

When Titan V came out, RTX was not a thing yet. Actually, Titan V is exactly what some people have been arguing for here - more traditional raster units, no RT cores

cucker tarlson said:
How many tensor does TV have ? Cause to be frank DLSS seems like a much more revolutionary tech at this point than RTRT.

Same as Turings, 8 Tensor cores per SM.

Toothless · Sep 21, 2018

Titan V is cool and all but it really should be obvious it's not going to do so good in RTX without those RT cores. Just because it costs more doesn't mean it'll be the best.

I like this thread with some defending an overpriced card on the grounds of it's compute performance when we're talking RTX.

15th Warlock · Sep 21, 2018

Vayra86 said:
As long as it needs dedicated hardware to this degree / % of die space, no, it really doesn't deserve our investment...

Same thing I heard when hardware T&L cards were released, and programmable shader cards were released....

This is a first generation release of new rendering technology, of course it's gonna take a long time to have an industry wide adoption, but if you want the next step in realism for games, you need ray tracing, there's no doubt about that.

As for the original topic, yea, Titan V lacks dedicated RT cores, and Tensor cores are used for DLSS, not ray tracing, so at least you can expect your card will be able to take advantage of that anti aliasing technology, please let us know how that goes when DLSS games are released

Sorry, but like others here said, no RTX performance can be expected from your card when rendering ray tracing in games...

WikiFM · Sep 21, 2018

So after this long discussion we can agree than Titan V is a beast, as fast as 2080 Ti in non-RTX. But not worth it if you want RTX, even if it supports it.

cucker tarlson · Sep 21, 2018

Toothless said:
Titan V is cool and all but it really should be obvious it's not going to do so good in RTX without those RT cores. Just because it costs more doesn't mean it'll be the best.

I like this thread with some defending an overpriced card on the grounds of it's compute performance when we're talking RTX.

It's gonna be a better card for higher res tho. More tensor cores for DLSS and more bandwidth.I'd still take the 2080Ti though. I'd like to see RTRT in action even if its in at 4K DLSS (1440p) 30 fps.

purecain · Sep 22, 2018

ha ha

i'll buy 2 2080ti's if I was that bothered... all I wanted to see was the volta tech included in the driver so as to be able to download the database for each game so as to be able to perform rtx effects. I dont care if a new form of AA etc isnt that good. my card still plays the game with all the normal settings on maximum. the 2080ti will do around 8-15fps slower... and rtx effects atm arnt anything to shout home about. next gen rtx will have my money. in a couple of years. until then, im more than happy with my hbm2 card and beastly gpu which I'll also use in my courses so i'm happy either way.
and buyers remorse... you know what I paid for this card????? thought not... i'll give you a clue, it wasn't 3000pounds... lol :toast:

at least now the people with a 2080ti will be able to taste what gaming is like on a Titan V gpu. in at least a couple of titles with rtx off... good luck with that. my problem with the 2080ti is that its almost a 1080ti with rtx.... again ive ended up speculating triggered by other armchair expert making their own assumptions. I'll defend the titan V because its my card, and its a joy to use each day. I was dissapointed at first because the download that is needed for any rtx effects was said to be confined to the 2080 series. I started this thread as I was overjoyed by the fact that nvidia is including volta gpus and providing support for rtx... oh and try not to forget that these games with RTX are being made on volta gpu's…
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Metro: Exodus is likely to be the very first game released into the wild that uses the Nvidia RTX real-time raytracing in action, and they’ve just released a new GDC demo which shows it off.

To deal with the lovely new visuals you might need a lovely new screen, so check out our pick of the best gaming monitors around.

This is the one we’ve been waiting for. For all the incredible tech demos showing off what developers and engineers can manage when all they need to do is highlight how good the shiny new visuals can look, it’s a different thing entirely to show them running in a game that you will actually be able to have in your Steam library. And relatively soon too.

Metro: Exodus, from 4A Games, is going to be released this year, probably in the packed autumn season, and will take advantage of both the Microsoft DirectX Raytracing and Nvidia RTX technology when it is. Of course you’re going to need to have a Volta-based graphics card to actually take advantage of RTX, so surely, surely there will be new Nvidia Volta gaming cards launching before, or with it.

It’s not going to use the full suite of possible real-time raytracing effects proposed by Nvidia in their RTX introduction, but the demo shows their raytraced ambient occlusion and indirect lighting effects.(working on volta

)

for 300pounds less I could of waited another 4 months and bought a 2080ti. I prefer the extra 1000cuda cores helping TV plough through my other games. :toast:

Vayra86 · Sep 22, 2018

purecain said:
ha ha i'll buy 2 2080ti's if I was that bothered... all I wanted to see was the volta tech included in the driver so as to be able to download the database for each game so as to be able to perform rtx effects. I dont care if a new form of AA etc isnt that good. my card still plays the game with all the normal settings on maximum. the 2080ti will do around 8-15fps slower... and rtx effects atm arnt anything to shout home about. next gen rtx will have my money. in a couple of years. until then, im more than happy with my hbm2 card and beastly gpu which I'll also use in my courses so i'm happy either way.
and buyers remorse... you know what I paid for this card????? thought not... i'll give you a clue, it wasn't 3000pounds... lol
at least now the people with a 2080ti will be able to taste what gaming is like on a Titan V gpu. in at least a couple of titles with rtx off... good luck with that. my problem with the 2080ti is that its almost a 1080ti with rtx.... again ive ended up speculating triggered by other armchair expert making their own assumptions. I'll defend the titan V because its my card, and its a joy to use each day. I was dissapointed at first because the download that is needed for any rtx effects was said to be confined to the 2080 series. I started this thread as I was overjoyed by the fact that nvidia is including volta gpus and providing support for rtx... oh and try not to forget that these games with RTX are being made on volta gpu's…
quote
Metro: Exodus is likely to be the very first game released into the wild that uses the Nvidia RTX real-time raytracing in action, and they’ve just released a new GDC demo which shows it off.

To deal with the lovely new visuals you might need a lovely new screen, so check out our pick of the best gaming monitors around.

This is the one we’ve been waiting for. For all the incredible tech demos showing off what developers and engineers can manage when all they need to do is highlight how good the shiny new visuals can look, it’s a different thing entirely to show them running in a game that you will actually be able to have in your Steam library. And relatively soon too.

Metro: Exodus, from 4A Games, is going to be released this year, probably in the packed autumn season, and will take advantage of both the Microsoft DirectX Raytracing and Nvidia RTX technology when it is. Of course you’re going to need to have a Volta-based graphics card to actually take advantage of RTX, so surely, surely there will be new Nvidia Volta gaming cards launching before, or with it.

It’s not going to use the full suite of possible real-time raytracing effects proposed by Nvidia in their RTX introduction, but the demo shows their raytraced ambient occlusion and indirect lighting effects.(working on volta )

for 300pounds less I could of waited another 4 months and bought a 2080ti. I prefer the extra 1000cuda cores helping TV plough through my other games.

Well fair enough

You really did help me understand better why you bought Titan V, and I can see your point to a degree. Well played, sir.

purecain · Sep 22, 2018

turned into an interesting thread in the end. will update! :toast:

purecain · Sep 23, 2018

what I really need is a cpu boost, as my gpu is being bottlenecked. the new 10core AM4 chip might solve this otherwise i'll be jumping on an intel chipset.

Vayra86 · Sep 23, 2018

purecain said:
what I really need is a cpu boost, as my gpu is being bottlenecked. the new 10core AM4 chip might solve this otherwise i'll be jumping on an intel chipset.

I don't think a many core AMD chip will alleviate a CPU bottleneck. If you really want to push it hard, grab the 8c/8t 9700K and push it to 5 Ghz all core. There is nothing that surpasses it at this point to max out ingame performance.

cucker tarlson · Sep 23, 2018

He's right,2700x can match 7700k,but 8700k is ahead of anything else atm, 9700k will be even better,though probably only slightly.10 cores will not do jack for current performance.You'd have to wait for 7nm ryzen with 2x6c ccx's to see that change.I know I am

purecain · Sep 27, 2018

I concur... hopefully the 2800x has an uplift in performance if its not just more cores. Otherwise I need to look using an intel chipset. I dont mind the swap atm. The i7 8086 looks nice... with an ROGmaximus x hero. its a big performance improvement with the Titan V.
I really like the look of turing now. I thought about two 2080ti's... but ive made my decision, for this round at least.
Unless I hear of a better CPU upgrade path... i'm looking at that 8086 in 2 months. :toast:

Zfast4y0u · Sep 28, 2018

are you sure titan v can do ray tracing? how much i understood it will be able to support DLSS, but not ray tracing too.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Sep 28, 2018

purecain said:
I concur... hopefully the 2800x has an uplift in performance if its not just more cores. Otherwise I need to look using an intel chipset. I dont mind the swap atm. The i7 8086 looks nice... with an ROGmaximus x hero. its a big performance improvement with the Titan V.
I really like the look of turing now. I thought about two 2080ti's... but ive made my decision, for this round at least.
Unless I hear of a better CPU upgrade path... i'm looking at that 8086 in 2 months.

He said 9700k for a reason bro, it's 8c8t and Should clock very well , better than an 8086k and should play Any game faster (fps) few ,very few games, even use more than 8 threads.

purecain · Sep 29, 2018

I still like the look of the 8086... I could always disable cores and turn it into a 9700k if I wanted to.
atm everything is fluent. Volta is amazing. good luck with your 2080ti's I hope you get good silicon.

purecain · Oct 6, 2018

I get it, the 9700k is the better chip everyones waiting for , right? I notice intel still havnt released the 9th gen yet... i'll be saving while I wait...
sorry for the double post, pls merge ty... :toast:

The titan V will be good for DLSS and possibly a couple of other effects. Im just intrigued by it and I just want to see the hardware performing workloads from this effects suite... The games I play on the TV are uber smooth. the experience is something else. the most fluent experience you can imagine.
based on V i'd recommend the 2080ti... if theyre anything like the V they will be amazing.

lexluthermiester · Oct 6, 2018

londiste said:
What exactly are you trying to say? 34.6 FPS at 4K does not sound bad at all.

Yes it does! That sounds horrible!

londiste · Oct 6, 2018

lexluthermiester said:
Yes it does! That sounds horrible!

Yeah, if you grab it out of context like that.
Remember, Titan V does 9, 1080Ti does 4-5.

lexluthermiester · Oct 6, 2018

londiste said:
Yeah, if you grab it out of context like that.
Remember, Titan V does 9, 1080Ti does 4-5.

34fps is not a good framerate. Does not matter if anything else can only do less. If the best is 34, pass until it can do a solid 60.

Vayra86 · Oct 6, 2018

londiste said:
Yeah, if you grab it out of context like that.
Remember, Titan V does 9, 1080Ti does 4-5.

So you always take the context delivered to you by the company that sells the product, for granted?

That's pretty naive. My context would be actual gaming, because hey, its the primary use case. And in that context, 34 FPS is absolutely dreadful, 60 is 'OK' and 100+ is 'great'. A card costing well over a grand should definitely be edging towards great IMO.

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