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Processor | Ryzen 5600X@4.85 CO |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte B550m S2H |
Cooling | BeQuiet Dark Rock Slim |
Memory | Patriot Viper 4400cl19 2x8@4000cl16 tight subs |
Video Card(s) | Asus 3060ti TUF OC |
Storage | WD blue 1TB nvme |
Display(s) | Lenovo G24-10 144Hz |
Case | Corsair D4000 Airflow |
Power Supply | EVGA GQ 650W |
Software | Windows 10 home 64 |
Benchmark Scores | CB20 4710@4.7GHz Aida64 50.4ns 4.8GHz+4000cl15 tuned ram SOTTR 1080p low 263fps avg CPU game |
Got my i5 12400F and a Asus B660m K a few days ago and did a comparison:
Due to locked SA voltage (0.95V) I can`t run more than 3600 ram in gear 1 (using Silentiumpc fera 5 cooler) on 12400F atm, expect 3400-3700 gear 1 depending on bin. With stock cooler you will get 100MHz lower ram OC since SA is more stable at lower temps. I could only get 3500 stable with stock cooler. A 12100F with aio may do 3800 in gear 1 due to low temp, a 12700F would probably struggle with 3400 on a poor cooler.
I downclocked ram on 5600X and set timings identical where i could to compare.
Timings: 1.42V: 15-19-19-34 - rc 53 - rrds\l\faw 4\4\16 - wr\rtp 12\6 - wtrs\l 3\6 - rfc 512 - refi 65536, refi can`t be adjusted on 5600X, sets itself to 14000-ish. I lowered rfc to 496 and wr\rtp to 10\5 to compensate on 5600X.
5600X runs +200PBO + curve optimizer of 4x-30 and 2x-29 and stock 76W PPT, I could have run 88W which is bios max, but it only yields 200 points and heat/noise/efficiency is not good. Allcore speed on Ryzen is 4.6GHz, single is 4.85GHz.
12400F runs no powerlimit and 15mv undervolt, allcore speed is 4GHz. Single is 4.4GHz.
Aida:
Easy win for 12400F, superior on R\W\C and slightly better latency.
Edit: Aida is a bit bugged on 12400F, will rerun with newer version.
Cinebench R23:
Easy win once more, 1000 points higher while consuming 71W vs ryzen 76W.
Edit: A update for win10 improved 5600X scores to 11850.
SOTTR, look at CPU game avg\min, this is what FPS CPU is capable of:
On avg identical, but 12400F shows nearly 10% higher min fps.
BUT my 5600X can run ram at 4000\2000 fclk and this gives it an advantage:
Edit: After adjusting VDD18 volt from 1.8 to 1.88v SOTTR gets 267fps avg cpu game and aida gets 51.7ns latency.
Temps:
5600X with D15 and +200 pbo I get up to 67C in games and 72C in CB23. Running stock cooler I get temps around 75C in games and 80C in CB23, performance is a bit lower at 76W limit vs D15 since higher temps raises consumption (clocks in CB23 runs 200MHz slower allcorebdue to temp, games perform similar) .
12400F stock cooler runs up to 67C in games and 82C in CB23 using 76W. With Silentiumpc fera 5 it runs up to 54C in games and 64C in CB23 using 72W. With D15 you could shave of 5-10C in both scenarios.
Wrap-up:
I paid a total of 450usd for 5600X+GB B550 S2H and a total of 340usd for 12400F+Asus B660m K. With that price 12400F is the bang for bucks winner, but 5600X is cheaper now.
12400F pros:
- Faster in prendering
- Runs cooler
- Cheap (220usd where I live)
- Possible to upgrade to Raptor lake on B660 MB
- If you buy a Asus Rog B660 F or G DDR5 you can bclk oc and run 12400F at 5-5.3GHz. Costs rises by 120usd for MB and 50usd for cheap 2x8 5200 DDR5, but performance can be 20% better.
Cons:
- Poor ram OC in grar 1 due to locked SA voltage (0.89-0.98v depending on CPU, mine is stuck around 0.95V)
- Expensive B660 motherboards, cheapest atm costs 140usd here
- You need a better cooler to improve ram oc
5600X pros:
- A bit faster in games (1-2% stock, 5-10% tweaked with pbo, co and ram 3800+)
- Better at file extraction
- B450 (60usd) and B550 (85usd) motherboards are cheap
Cons:
- Costs more (280usd)
- Dead end upgradewise
Overall I prefer 5600X since it costs about the same but perform a bit better, especially when tweaked. If I could overclock ram to 4000+ in gear 1 on 12400F it would have been the winner. A month from now R5 5600 launches. It will cost 220usd and perform about the same as 12400F due to 200MHz lower clocks vs 5600X. That will be my go to budget champ then.
There is the scenario of getting a Asus B660 strix F or G for 260usd and a cheap 2x8 DDR5 for 180usd (130usd for 2x8 B-die), performance will then be around 15% above 12400F running DDR4 tuned and 5-10% above 5600X tuned. Here is a summary from gaming using very fast DDR5 (costs much more) which will make it around 20% faster than DDR4 12400F and 10% faster than 5600X tuned.
Due to locked SA voltage (0.95V) I can`t run more than 3600 ram in gear 1 (using Silentiumpc fera 5 cooler) on 12400F atm, expect 3400-3700 gear 1 depending on bin. With stock cooler you will get 100MHz lower ram OC since SA is more stable at lower temps. I could only get 3500 stable with stock cooler. A 12100F with aio may do 3800 in gear 1 due to low temp, a 12700F would probably struggle with 3400 on a poor cooler.
I downclocked ram on 5600X and set timings identical where i could to compare.
Timings: 1.42V: 15-19-19-34 - rc 53 - rrds\l\faw 4\4\16 - wr\rtp 12\6 - wtrs\l 3\6 - rfc 512 - refi 65536, refi can`t be adjusted on 5600X, sets itself to 14000-ish. I lowered rfc to 496 and wr\rtp to 10\5 to compensate on 5600X.
5600X runs +200PBO + curve optimizer of 4x-30 and 2x-29 and stock 76W PPT, I could have run 88W which is bios max, but it only yields 200 points and heat/noise/efficiency is not good. Allcore speed on Ryzen is 4.6GHz, single is 4.85GHz.
12400F runs no powerlimit and 15mv undervolt, allcore speed is 4GHz. Single is 4.4GHz.
Aida:
Easy win for 12400F, superior on R\W\C and slightly better latency.
Edit: Aida is a bit bugged on 12400F, will rerun with newer version.
Cinebench R23:
Easy win once more, 1000 points higher while consuming 71W vs ryzen 76W.
Edit: A update for win10 improved 5600X scores to 11850.
SOTTR, look at CPU game avg\min, this is what FPS CPU is capable of:
On avg identical, but 12400F shows nearly 10% higher min fps.
BUT my 5600X can run ram at 4000\2000 fclk and this gives it an advantage:
Edit: After adjusting VDD18 volt from 1.8 to 1.88v SOTTR gets 267fps avg cpu game and aida gets 51.7ns latency.
Temps:
5600X with D15 and +200 pbo I get up to 67C in games and 72C in CB23. Running stock cooler I get temps around 75C in games and 80C in CB23, performance is a bit lower at 76W limit vs D15 since higher temps raises consumption (clocks in CB23 runs 200MHz slower allcorebdue to temp, games perform similar) .
12400F stock cooler runs up to 67C in games and 82C in CB23 using 76W. With Silentiumpc fera 5 it runs up to 54C in games and 64C in CB23 using 72W. With D15 you could shave of 5-10C in both scenarios.
Wrap-up:
I paid a total of 450usd for 5600X+GB B550 S2H and a total of 340usd for 12400F+Asus B660m K. With that price 12400F is the bang for bucks winner, but 5600X is cheaper now.
12400F pros:
- Faster in prendering
- Runs cooler
- Cheap (220usd where I live)
- Possible to upgrade to Raptor lake on B660 MB
- If you buy a Asus Rog B660 F or G DDR5 you can bclk oc and run 12400F at 5-5.3GHz. Costs rises by 120usd for MB and 50usd for cheap 2x8 5200 DDR5, but performance can be 20% better.
Cons:
- Poor ram OC in grar 1 due to locked SA voltage (0.89-0.98v depending on CPU, mine is stuck around 0.95V)
- Expensive B660 motherboards, cheapest atm costs 140usd here
- You need a better cooler to improve ram oc
5600X pros:
- A bit faster in games (1-2% stock, 5-10% tweaked with pbo, co and ram 3800+)
- Better at file extraction
- B450 (60usd) and B550 (85usd) motherboards are cheap
Cons:
- Costs more (280usd)
- Dead end upgradewise
Overall I prefer 5600X since it costs about the same but perform a bit better, especially when tweaked. If I could overclock ram to 4000+ in gear 1 on 12400F it would have been the winner. A month from now R5 5600 launches. It will cost 220usd and perform about the same as 12400F due to 200MHz lower clocks vs 5600X. That will be my go to budget champ then.
There is the scenario of getting a Asus B660 strix F or G for 260usd and a cheap 2x8 DDR5 for 180usd (130usd for 2x8 B-die), performance will then be around 15% above 12400F running DDR4 tuned and 5-10% above 5600X tuned. Here is a summary from gaming using very fast DDR5 (costs much more) which will make it around 20% faster than DDR4 12400F and 10% faster than 5600X tuned.
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