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Update on the Intel X299 Platform "VRM Disaster"

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cdawall said:
My test chip can do 5ghz with the top on it on air, unstable easily :roll: However the minute you pump AVX through it the temps shoot up and it restarts. Power consumption was pretty high at that point. I think high end water will easily do 5ghz without a delid...but power consumption will be through the roof.
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Yeah, mine too, but 10 cores @ that speed is crazy-fast and beyond what I need. :p the power use is so high there that it is truly shocking, too, and what is so impressive to me is how these chips just gobble it up without much fuss. So much to be had with this platform...


I got a couple each of KabyLake-X and Skylake-X; there's lots to talk about in the coming months. :P
 
cadaveca said:
Yeah, mine too, but 10 cores @ that speed is crazy-fast and beyond what I need. :p the power use is so high there that it is truly shocking, too, and what is so impressive to me is how these chips just gobble it up without much fuss. So much to be had with this platform...


I got a couple each of KabyLake-X and Skylake-X; there's lots to talk about in the coming months. :p
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I also enjoyed xmp working without issues with settings I couldn't dream of on my x99 build. I am hoping that they release another board like the x99m ws I have now.
 
In the final analysis, none of the motherboards reviewers have done their jobs properly. As a matter of fact, this so called 'VRM Disaster' also apply to X99 motherboards. When I did a Prime95 stress of my 6800K, the CPU was already throttled when the temperature was only 80C, and the OS had to shut the system down in no time. Also, every time I brink up Corsair link, there are these areas of the motherboard which are always twice hotter than the CPU.
 
Hossein Almet said:
In the final analysis, none of the motherboards reviewers have done their jobs properly. As a matter of fact, this so called 'VRM Disaster' also apply to X99 motherboards. When I did a Prime95 stress of my 6800K, the CPU was already throttled when the temperature was only 80C, and the OS had to shut the system down in no time. Also, every time I brink up Corsair link, there are these areas of the motherboard which are always twice hotter than the CPU.
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Mine doesn't have that issue with the much higher wattage 5960x and an overclock. The point of the video was none of the boards haf properly setup vrm cooling. In fact they acted more like insulators than heatsinks, but testing was also done with a water cooler and zero airflow across. Under real world conditions I personally saw much less issues using an air cooler on a 7900x and a decent overclock.
 
I didn't run into the issue on X99 and a 6950X either. Boards will be rolling in soon for review for me as well so I will have more than just the ASUS Prime X299 Deluxe to look at. But at 4.5 Ghz, on and open air test bench, there wasn't any throttling. It was very warm to the touch though.
 
cdawall said:
Mine doesn't have that issue with the much higher wattage 5960x and an overclock. The point of the video was none of the boards haf properly setup vrm cooling. In fact they acted more like insulators than heatsinks, but testing was also done with a water cooler and zero airflow across. Under real world conditions I personally saw much less issues using an air cooler on a 7900x and a decent overclock.
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Anyway, I think the VRM is the weakest link on my X99 Pro Carbon. I stressed the whole 12 threads at 4.3 GHz with Prime95, and at 80C TotalAV propped up saying the system was too slow which need to be boosted... A few second it was shut down.
 
Hossein Almet said:
Anyway, I think the VRM is the weakest link on my X99 Pro Carbon. I stressed the whole 12 threads at 4.3 GHz with Prime95, and at 80C TotalAV propped up saying the system was too slow which need to be boosted... A few second it was shut down.
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Wait so you ran prime95 and were told by a garbage "antivirus" scam that you needed to boost your system?

The pro carbon is definitely a bottom tier x99 board, but the VRM section more than easily handles a 6 core 6800K at 4.3 unless you just heaped voltage in. 80C is far from throttle point for the VRM section on any of the X99 boards.
 
cdawall said:
Wait so you ran prime95 and were told by a garbage "antivirus" scam that you needed to boost your system?

The pro carbon is definitely a bottom tier x99 board, but the VRM section more than easily handles a 6 core 6800K at 4.3 unless you just heaped voltage in. 80C is far from throttle point for the VRM section on any of the X99 boards.
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Well, the VCore was 1.347, anything below that was unstable running stressed out with 12 threads. At the moment, according to Corsair Link, the CPU Package is 27C, but temperatures #2 and #3 are 44C respectively.
 
Hossein Almet said:
Well, the VCore was 1.347, anything below that was unstable running stressed out with 12 threads. At the moment, according to Corsair Link, the CPU Package is 27C, but temperatures #2 and #3 are 44C respectively.
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Ah so you have zero airflow over the VRM in a stagnant case with an AIO watercooler. Perfect situation for temps on a mediocre product.
 
cdawall said:
Wait so you ran prime95 and were told by a garbage "antivirus" scam that you needed to boost your system?

The pro carbon is definitely a bottom tier x99 board, but the VRM section more than easily handles a 6 core 6800K at 4.3 unless you just heaped voltage in. 80C is far from throttle point for the VRM section on any of the X99 boards.
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cdawall said:
Ah so you have zero airflow over the VRM in a stagnant case with an AIO watercooler. Perfect situation for temps on a mediocre product.
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So...........

I can't even put my thoughts together on this one. I mean, those quotes say it all.
 
EarthDog said:
So...........

I can't even put my thoughts together on this one. I mean, those quotes say it all.
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I just grabbed a beer try it
 
EarthDog said:
So...........

I can't even put my thoughts together on this one. I mean, those quotes say it all.
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EarthDog said:
So...........

I can't even put my thoughts together on this one. I mean, those quotes say it all.
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:) If u try defend the motherboards manufacturers that your problem. It's no wonders they keep dumping their noses at the consumers.
 
Hossein Almet said:
:) If u try defend the motherboards manufacturers that your problem. It's no wonders they keep dumping their noses at the consumers.
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No one is upset your cheap board with no airflow wasnt perfect...
 
cdawall said:
No one is upset your cheap board with no airflow wasnt perfect...
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Isn't that what the article is saying? And what I'm trying to say this does not apply to X299 boards alone, it isn't a new thing. Of course, no one is upset? Why should they; the keyboqqrd goes berwerg
 
Hossein Almet said:
Isn't that what the article is saying? And what I'm trying to say this does not apply to X299 boards alone, it isn't a new thing. Of course, no one is upset? Why should they; the keyboqqrd goes berwerg
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That has been said multiple times. Low and midrange boards never have the best vrm cooling. Using an aio on an open test bench with no airflow is an even worse situation than a stock cooler.
 
Iv'e often wished my Z97 Deluxe had better heat sinks on the VRM and PCH, because they also run hot. They are fairly massive, but lack any fins to increase the cooling surface. So yes, this is a widespread and ongoing "problem", if throttling is really happening. But it's a problem of choice, or of budget, as one can always buy a better board, some with liquid cooled VRM/PCH heat sinks. But I'm happy to see that the der8aur debacle has prompted Asus to start updating their heat sinks (adding fins) https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...heatsink-for-x299-rog-rampage-vi-apex.235255/
 
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