upgrading from a 6600K

[Why_Me]

i intend to keep the system for quite some time
my upgrade cycle is 5-6 years

its better to go AMD then?

5 - 6 years from now will mean an entirely new platform that will include DDR5.


2x8GB of DDR4 3200Mhz CL16 RAM.

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Intel Core i5 11400F processor review

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The Core i5-11400F coupled with a B560 motherboard make for an interesting build configuration, as it's significantly cheaper than the Core i5-11600K/Z590 and less than the cost...

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[AhokZYashA]

is 2666 ram isnt enough for normal usage?
and emulators uses more than 2 threads depending on the configuration.
some emulators uses 4 threads to run pretty demanding games

 

[Why_Me]

is 2666 ram isnt enough for normal usage?
and emulators uses more than 2 threads depending on the configuration.
some emulators uses 4 threads to run pretty demanding games

There's a noticeable amount of difference between 2666 and 3200 in regards to performance (FPS). The Intel 11 gen cpu's natively support 3200Mhz RAM. The i5 11400F has six cores and 12 threads so you should be good to go there.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Get a i5 11400f with a B560 motherboard and a 3200mhz memory.
B560 Motherboards support 3200mhz speed nativity, not as an overclock so it would be best to match your 11400f + B560 combo with a 3200mh memory

 

[milewski1015]

Get a i5 11400f with a B560 motherboard and a 3200mhz memory

This.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

the 11400f is 100 USD cheaper here
is the 11400f is the better value?

Yes

is the 5600X is worth the extra 100USD over the 10700F?

Hell no

 

[milewski1015]

is the 5600X is worth the extra 100USD over the 10700F?

especially not with DDR4-2666 on either platform.

 

[Fourstaff]

10400F user here, its plenty powerful even for 2020 AAA titles. I think it will remain that way for the next 5 years, the same way how my 3570K is still enough for casual games. Get the cheapest of 3600/5600/10400F/11400F and put more money to ram or graphics.

 

[freeagent]

I came from a 3770K to 5600X.. what a ripper. Pretty expensive though. Works best with mems @ 3200-4000, or more if you can do it 1:1.. works the absolute best @ 3200-3800+ in a dual rank config adding to the expense.. but if you are going to be using it for 5-6 years might as well get the best bang for your buck.. and that probably wont be with a 6 core. My intention was to pass mine off to my son at some point, so I didn't go big there. Intel is pretty compelling for the price.. how things change in just a few short months..

 

[Melvis]

i intend to keep the system for quite some time
my upgrade cycle is 5-6 years

its better to go AMD then?

Well if you intend to make your system last that long (probably longer actually on an AMD platform) then yes you answered your own question, you simply dont have the upgrade path with an Intel platform at all, 11th Gen was more a backwards grade the an upgrade so its basically dead. or as steve calls it, a waste of sand!

 

[las]

I would get a 5800X for sure over 5600X.

6 cores is not going to age well, you have not seen true next gen games yet and next gen consoles have 8 cores

6 cores will suffer same fate as 4 cores in the coming years

Only get 5600X if you plan to upgrade anyway, within 1-2 maybe 3 years

 

[R0H1T]

5-6 years is a long time, having said that 5600x-5950x will not become obsolete! Same goes for top of the the line Intel chips, the biggest difference however is that you can buy a 3600-3700x today & upgrade to say 5800x-5950x a few years from now! That's a massive upgrade ~ I suggest buy previous gen Ryzen OC them & get (today's) top end zen3 chips a few years from now on firesale

 

[AhokZYashA]

5-6 years is a long time, having said that 5600x-5950x will not become obsolete! Same goes for top of the the line Intel chips, the biggest difference however is that you can buy a 3600-3700x today & upgrade to say 5800x-5950x a few years from now! That's a massive upgrade ~ I suggest buy previous gen Ryzen OC them & get (today's) top end zen3 chips a few years from now on firesale

finally i go with 3700x with a B450 board,
8c16t should be plenty for my needs, and i can upgrade to high end 5000 series chip when the prices goes reasonable.
thanks all for the input.

this 4c4t 6600k lasts quite some time. bought it when it first released, OC'd to 4.5 from day 1,
still running strong to this day.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

finally i go with 3700x with a B450 board,
8c16t should be plenty for my needs, and i can upgrade to high end 5000 series chip when the prices goes reasonable.
thanks all for the input.

this 4c4t 6600k lasts quite some time. bought it when it first released, OC'd to 4.5 from day 1,
still running strong to this day.

Great choice, I might just do the same. Buy a 5900X/5950X for very cheap later down the line to replace my 3900X, since I want to let DDR5 mature a bit (and prices to go down) before I buy into it.

Great thing is that my cooler can handle it since it's the same TDP - that's one thing I like about AMD. Report your TDP as what it actually is, don't report it from base clock. My 3900X is 105W TDP, and while gaming I see exactly 95-105W. On my "65W" i7-8700 I saw 95-125W power draw while gaming.

 

[freeagent]

that's one thing I like about AMD. Report your TDP as what it actually is, don't report it from base clock. My 3900X is 105W TDP, and while gaming I see exactly 95-105W. On my "65W" i7-8700 I saw 95-125W power draw while gaming.

On my 65w 6 core Vermeer I have seen 140w..

 

[Deleted member 205776]

On my 65w 6 core Vermeer I have seen 140w..

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Notice how I said while gaming, not while using Linpack. In that same program, or anything similarly stressful, my CPU reaches 142W as well, which is its limit unless I enable PBO (which isn't stock operation anymore). Of course the TDP would be higher - that also applies to the i7-8700 which reached ~145W. And again, my 3900X maintains ~105W during the most CPU intensive games.

 

[freeagent]

To me PBO is stock whether they say it is or not..

Only 142w? I thought for sure it would have been more.. I guess I am using everything the board can give in an instance like that..

Crazy. Hopefully AM5 unlocks the.. locks

 

[Deleted member 205776]

To me PBO is stock whether they say it is or not..

Only 142w? I thought for sure it would have been more.. I guess I am using everything the board can give in an instance like that..

Crazy. Hopefully AM5 unlocks the.. locks

Are you using PBO? Then of course it would reach ~140W. 65W Ryzens are locked to 88W by default.

I like how AMD advertises their TDP at boost clock rather than base clock, that's about it. I can see why Intel is doing it. I guess advertising your 6 core as a 105W gaming part wouldn't be too attractive.

 

[freeagent]

I do have PBO on to unlock the power that I do have, otherwise I just run a fixed multi and voltage..

 

[Why_Me]

Well if you intend to make your system last that long (probably longer actually on an AMD platform) then yes you answered your own question, you simply dont have the upgrade path with an Intel platform at all, 11th Gen was more a backwards grade the an upgrade so its basically dead. or as steve calls it, a waste of sand!

Will the AMD B450 boards support DDR5 five to six years from now?

finally i go with 3700x with a B450 board,
8c16t should be plenty for my needs, and i can upgrade to high end 5000 series chip when the prices goes reasonable.
thanks all for the input.

this 4c4t 6600k lasts quite some time. bought it when it first released, OC'd to 4.5 from day 1,
still running strong to this day.

In regards to gaming, the 11400F mops the floor with the 3700X and does it for half the price.

Great choice, I might just do the same. Buy a 5900X/5950X for very cheap later down the line to replace my 3900X, since I want to let DDR5 mature a bit (and prices to go down) before I buy into it.

Great thing is that my cooler can handle it since it's the same TDP - that's one thing I like about AMD. Report your TDP as what it actually is, don't report it from base clock. My 3900X is 105W TDP, and while gaming I see exactly 95-105W. On my "65W" i7-8700 I saw 95-125W power draw while gaming.

So you're recommending a B450 board for a cpu (3700X) that retails for $360 USD in Indonesia (where the OP lives). I wanted to quote this post so I can use it for reference later on.

 

[Deleted member 205776]

So you're recommending a B450 board for a cpu (3700X) that retails for $360 USD in Indonesia (where the OP lives). I wanted to quote this post so I can use it for reference later on.

OP already made his choice, feel free to make your own recommendation. I knew you'd turn up in this thread.

 

[Why_Me]

OP already made his choice, feel free to make your own recommendation. I knew you'd turn up in this thread.

The OP started a thread in here asking for advice and you greenlighted a B450 board + $360 3700X for a new gaming build.

Quote from the OP: 'usage is casual gaming (Genshin, dota2, csgo), mobile gaming using android emulator (memu) no HRR gaming or streaming.'

The OP is currently using an older quad-core cpu that doesn't support hyperthreading.

Another quote from the OP: 'this 4c4t 6600k lasts quite some time. bought it when it first released, OC'd to 4.5 from day 1, still running strong to this day.'

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

finally i go with 3700x with a B450 board,

If you want the most out of your AMD platform, especially considering upgrading to 5000 series CPUs when they drop in price, i would wager a b550 motherboard would be in your best interests.
personally i wouldn't buy something because i expect it to offer me something later, holding tech to that stranded mostly ends in disappointments, i always buy things based on what they give me now, cause especially with AMD, there are so many variables, its a headache but that's just my opinion.

I would buy the most value gaming processor now 11400f then upgrade it maybe 3 years from now once new DDR5 platforms on the horizon matures and becomes affordable to everyone, then pull a massive upgrade on your rig, that way you'll maximize the longevity of your platform, then again, that's just my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Great thing is that my cooler can handle it since it's the same TDP - that's one thing I like about AMD. Report your TDP as what it actually is, don't report it from base clock. My 3900X is 105W TDP, and while gaming I see exactly 95-105W. On my "65W" i7-8700 I saw 95-125W power draw while gaming.

As a counterpoint, I've actually seen an increase in average package power consumption when gaming with the 5800x vs the 10850k. Using the same GPU and playing the same game, the 10850k averaged 65-70w, and the 5800x 70-75w. The 10850k had its power limits removed, while the 5800x I've needed to lower to 95w (122w PPT) from the stock 105w (142w PPT). I probably need to try some voltage offset with the 5800x, but the 10850k isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

 

[AhokZYashA]

Will the AMD B450 boards support DDR5 five to six years from now?


In regards to gaming, the 11400F mops the floor with the 3700X and does it for half the price.


So you're recommending a B450 board for a cpu (3700X) that retails for $360 USD in Indonesia (where the OP lives). I wanted to quote this post so I can use it for reference later on.

i got the 3700x for around 310USD
and the board for 160USD

all in all i am pretty impressed with the performance of the 3700X
currently I OC'd the RAM to 3000MHz CL19, lock the fclk to 1500MHz (1:1 ratio)
this thing eats 2 instance of memu and genshin impact like nothing.

while the 6600K 4.5GHz would struggle even when playing genshin and 1 instance of memu