Upgrading from R5 2600X to R7 5800X on a new mobo MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS

[Horrux]

So here's the deal:

I'm currently running a Ryzen 5 2600X,
on an ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING
and my RAM is the G.Skill DDR4 p/n F4-3000C15-8GRBB

I have purchased and received the motherboard because that's the one I want. MSI have been very very good to me, unlike others.

Now looking at the list of compatible RAM gives me a headache. I knew this was coming with DDR2, 3, 4, 5 ramping up the complexity of these parts, and here we are, with just a few compatible modules out of more hundreds of model numbers from each vendor.

I would prefer to just upgrade the CPU first and then the RAM or vice-versa, for budget reasons, but I don't think my existing RAM is compatible with the new motherboard and risks not working if I move my CPU to the new mobo keeping the same RAM? Or... Would it work? Conversely, this RAM would probably not work with the new Ryzen? Looking to get a Ryzen 9, but if I have to upgrade both the RAM and the CPU at the same time, I will have only enough for a Ryzen 7 5800X.

Any ideas how to solve this riddle?

 

[Oasis]

You have to use DDR4 on the 5800x and any modern motherboard (It will not work and it won't even fit with DDR3>)

Get 2x8gb (or 2x16gb) 3200mhz </c16 / 3600mhz+ </c18

 

[damric]

I'm not sure what the problem is. You can use your existing RAM and motherboard with a 5800x with BIOS 4007

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[Splinterdog]

Why can't you use your existing RAM on the MSI motherboard? Or have I missed something here?

 

[Tetras]

What makes you think the ram won't work? It should be fine.

 

[Horrux]

Why can't you use your existing RAM on the MSI motherboard? Or have I missed something here?

Well actually I wasn't sure. The RAM isn't on the approved list for that MSI board, and when I built that 2600X machine, the RAM was very finicky, so I thought it would again be ultra-finicky this time around.

Thank you for your help guys!!

 

[tabascosauz]

QVLs don't tell you a whole lot - vendors don't have time to test every kit under the sun in every one of their boards. Unless you're dealing with Corsair, the importance is mostly with the memory ICs in the kit anyways and not with the PCB/compatibility list/"Ryzen compatible".

Ryzen has been getting better on RAM every generation, so frankly QVLs are more to *sometimes* suggest a vague idea of PCB and memory trace design, and even then only in relation to other boards from the same vendor.

If you haven't tried it, you don't know. Plug in the old kit and if it doesn't POST/isn't stable then delve further into it.

The concern is that old kits (especially low density like 2x4GB, 2x8GB) purchased for Ryzen 1000/2000 may contain legacy 4Gb dies that have not been seen for years, so the concern is that they may not work well with newer platforms (ie. newer firmware may not optimize procODT properly for a X99-era kit). Honestly it's mostly just a remote risk, my oldest kit is a 3200 16-16-16 kit of 4Gb E-die (basically X99 era) and it's yet to run into any 3000/4000/5000 Ryzen that can't handle it.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Your current ram should work, if it worked on an older AMD platform, then it most definitely should work on the newer ones, not the other way around

 

[docnorth]

Like others already said, every generation of Ryzen has better RAM compatibility, so your RAM should work with 5800x. After a very quick search I’ll post a link with X570 + 5900x, www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/39353214, probably you could find more similar combo's.

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Good upgrade, the 2600x is far far slower than even the 5600x which is the CPU I upgraded to from the 2600x, bottlenecks of any type vanished.

 

[toilet pepper]

I highly suggest preparing for better CPU cooling. The Ryzen 5000 series are very agressive in terms of boosting,

 

[Horrux]

Thank you. I'm currently running a 10-year-old Corsair 120mm AIO LCS (the H100? H100i? not sure anymore) which I know would be sufficient, but I'm also wondering if after 10 years I'm not just better off getting something new, as these things are probably not eternal.

Gonna look at what Noctua has on offer and settle with air cooled. No reason not to. Something like the Noctua NH-U14S should do the trick, right?

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Consider the scythe fuma 2 and bequiet dark rock pro 4

 

[eidairaman1]

Well actually I wasn't sure. The RAM isn't on the approved list for that MSI board, and when I built that 2600X machine, the RAM was very finicky, so I thought it would again be ultra-finicky this time around.

Thank you for your help guys!!

My gskill wasnt on the approved list for my sig rig.

Listen as long as you avoid Corsair LPX you should be fine.

Thank you. I'm currently running a 10-year-old Corsair 120mm AIO LCS (the H100? H100i? not sure anymore) which I know would be sufficient, but I'm also wondering if after 10 years I'm not just better off getting something new, as these things are probably not eternal.

Gonna look at what Noctua has on offer and settle with air cooled. No reason not to. Something like the Noctua NH-U14S should do the trick, right?

Look at Scythe, Zalman, Thermalright.

 

[Horrux]

Seems like everybody's trying to steer me away from Noctua. Any reason? Look doesn't go with the Christmas tree / PC hybrid?

 

[R0H1T]

The RAM will work just fine, now whether it works on the speeds you want it to ~ YMWV, a lot depends on your CPU & to a lesser extent the board. If I were you I'd upgrade to faster memory during the holiday season, the prices will likely go down a fair bit by then ~

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Now that most negotiations over contract prices of PC DRAM for 3Q21 have concluded, DRAM suppliers' low inventories and the arrival of the peak season for DRAM procurement have resulted in a 3-8% QoQ increase in PC DRAM contract prices for 3Q21, although this is a relatively muted growth...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[eidairaman1]

Seems like everybody's trying to steer me away from Noctua. Any reason? Look doesn't go with the Christmas tree / PC hybrid?

Overrated

And all they did is copy Nideq/Scythe on the fan design, but made it ugly as a turd.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Make sure your case has good airflow because the MSI board has a terrible vrm.

For gaming not likely to matter a ton but it will still warm up quite a bit.

Even the largest tower coolers can struggle with a 5800X which is actually harder to cool stock vs stock than a 5900X/5950X runs about 10-12c warmer under full load and because of how ryzen 5000 boost actually runs slightly warmer during gaming. In my experiences with a 5800X a quality corsair/nzxt/Arctic 280/360 aio works much better than a noctua d15.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

And all they did is copy Nideq/Scythe on the fan design, but made it ugly as a turd.

Nidec GTs were crap and are still crap, decent blade design but completely killed by bearing quality, people really need to stop shilling them.

Seems like everybody's trying to steer me away from Noctua. Any reason? Look doesn't go with the Christmas tree / PC hybrid?

Usually just same quality stuff for lower price.

 

[Splinterdog]

Thank you. I'm currently running a 10-year-old Corsair 120mm AIO LCS (the H100? H100i? not sure anymore) which I know would be sufficient, but I'm also wondering if after 10 years I'm not just better off getting something new, as these things are probably not eternal.

Gonna look at what Noctua has on offer and settle with air cooled. No reason not to. Something like the Noctua NH-U14S should do the trick, right?

I'm still running an old Corsair H100i (2014) which has now taken over duties on my second rig, a Ryzen 2600X and it keeps things nice and cool.
Mind you, I have no idea how long its shelf-life life is, but I would certainly use an AIO again if I were to replace it.

 

[Horrux]

Yeah given that the RAM will work, I'll opt for the 5900X. Great info, thanks for that.

 

[Horrux]

Ordered the 5950X! Hype! =D

 

[eidairaman1]

Once you knowthe cpu is good, sell the 2600X on here or Ebay, Amazon

 

[Horrux]

Nah, keeping it to recycle in a secondary rig!

 

[Splinterdog]

Nah, keeping it to recycle in a secondary rig!

That's precisely what I did when I upgraded to a Ryzen 5600X in my main rig. The FX 8350 was getting a bit long in the tooth, so I bought a new mobo and eventually sold the 8350/mobo/cooler combo which easily paid for the new kit.
Fortunately, used components fetch good prices where I live because we recycle as much as we can due to the dire state of the economy.