WD Raptor vs. Seagate 7200.11

Wile E · Mar 22, 2008

ktr said:
The age of raptors are over. WD needs to make a perpendicular 10k hdd

That would be awesome. Or at least release their 15k drives on the SATA interface. That would be awesome as well.

DanishDevil · Mar 22, 2008

WD needs to start putting 32mb of cache on their drives, too. I wanted to stay with WD since I've owned nothing but them and never had problems, but I figured there had to be some reason for twice the cache, and I'm so glad I did

It amazes me though. All this speed and WAY less noise. I can hear the Raptor clicking from across the room. I can hear the Seagate from my seat if I know it's reading something and I try to tune my ear to it. I :love:

7200.11!

imperialreign · Mar 22, 2008

DanishDevil said:
WD needs to start putting 32mb of cache on their drives, too. I wanted to stay with WD since I've owned nothing but them and never had problems, but I figured there had to be some reason for twice the cache, and I'm so glad I did

It amazes me though. All this speed and WAY less noise. I can hear the Raptor clicking from across the room. I can hear the Seagate from my seat if I know it's reading something and I try to tune my ear to it. I 7200.11!

WD Raptor series is a niche market, IMO. TBH, I prefer Seagates, but I'm currently running 3 WD HDD's, and yes, I love the 7200 as well with my 320GB, even though she's only 16MB cache.

ktr · Mar 22, 2008

Wile E said:
That would be awesome. Or at least release their 15k drives on the SATA interface. That would be awesome as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822116059

***drool***

:toast:

180mb/s transfer rate, 2ms latency...raid 0 two of them on a good controller and get 300+ transfer speeds!

DanishDevil · Mar 22, 2008

Can you say noise, heat, power, and a REALLY expensive SAS controller?

It would be wicked fast, though

Wile E · Mar 22, 2008

DanishDevil said:
Can you say noise, heat, power, and a REALLY expensive SAS controller?

It would be wicked fast, though

Yeah, but we were talking if they would release them on the SATA interface. :drool:

DanishDevil · Mar 22, 2008

Ah, true. They would be the new Raptors

0V3CHKiN · Mar 22, 2008

I would be scared to RAID 0 750GB drives unless I had 1/0 set up.

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

I'll have my external Seagate Freeagent 500GB be my backup. But I won't have two of these for a while, seeing as I still need a new motherboard, PSU, and possibly RAM and Vista/XP 64, not to mention all the fans and watercooling stuff I need

Steevo · Mar 23, 2008

Wile E said:
That would be awesome. Or at least release their 15k drives on the SATA interface. That would be awesome as well.

Bah. 15K 300GB Hitachi SAS drives FTW. Even if you use a offloading PCI-e controller card there is no other drive that will touch it for read, write or seek for the capacity and money factor.

For the comment about heat. Every HDD makes heat and after reading Google's very in depth and comprehensive coverage report of drive mortality and the broad spectrum of possible causes it seems that heat plays very little into the life expectancy of a drive. It is a good read and if you take the time to digest the full spectrum of information covered you will see that the old idea that many of us have is not based on truth but more on our assumptions or a very small cross section of experience compared to the thousands of drives Google runs and tracks.

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

Yeah, but how much is the SAS controller card? Pretty expensive, right?

Steevo · Mar 23, 2008

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102117

Promise SAS PCI Express card $136
Hitachi 300GB 15K drive $625 from other places online.

3.4ms seek
160+Mbps sustained peak non cached read, 74 is the lowest.
16MB Buffer

Two Raptors RAID 0 for 300GB @ 169.99 each

average seek time in RAID 5ms-7ms
Sustained uncached read 90Mbps peak 40 Lowest.

The raptor numbers are guesses, but if you want better performance for the money SAS is the way to go.

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

Wow the price of those controllers has gone down! I remember they used to be like $600 last time I looked. If you want ultimate performance, that's definitely the way to go.

WarEagleAU · Mar 23, 2008

Wow, Ive got to get me a seagate then. I got this WD but I hear it being accessed and its brand spanking new!!!

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

Well, now that I actually pulled my raptor, I can hear it being accessed, but it's still NOTHING compared to the Raptor.

I'll do an HDTach on both of them once I install XP. I made myself a partition for it, at least.

ktr · Mar 23, 2008

My 320gb seagates are silent too. I cannot really hear them spinning, but I do hear them accessing (all hard drives can be heard to).

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

Yeah, absolutely no spin noise on the 7200.11, and accessing is a dull click versus the Raptor's clankety clank and tick tick tick.

Rubber mounts will diminish the accessing noise, right?

AsRock · Mar 23, 2008

A old friend of mine
http://home.comcast.net/~asrock/smokins_Raptor2oldWDs.jpg

And my brothers
http://home.comcast.net/~asrock/bros_raptor.jpg

both in the 70's

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

Those are the 150GB Raptors, though. Those are native SATA with 16mb Cache and NCQ. Mine's 8mb cache native IDE without NCQ.

Besides, file transfer's as fast on my Seagate, so I'll sacrifice some access time for noise.

Wile E · Mar 23, 2008

Steevo said:
Bah. 15K 300GB Hitachi SAS drives FTW. Even if you use a offloading PCI-e controller card there is no other drive that will touch it for read, write or seek for the capacity and money factor.

For the comment about heat. Every HDD makes heat and after reading Google's very in depth and comprehensive coverage report of drive mortality and the broad spectrum of possible causes it seems that heat plays very little into the life expectancy of a drive. It is a good read and if you take the time to digest the full spectrum of information covered you will see that the old idea that many of us have is not based on truth but more on our assumptions or a very small cross section of experience compared to the thousands of drives Google runs and tracks.

I'd rather have it in a SATA interface, just for compatibility/simplicity sake.

ktr · Mar 23, 2008

Steevo said:
Even if you use a offloading PCI-e controller card

Most quality boards (aka expensive) have they HDD controller connect directly to the north bridge, just like PCI-E.

Wile E said:
I'd rather have it in a SATA interface, just for compatibility/simplicity sake.

SAS left; SATA right...

SAS is SATA with SCSI speeds.

DanishDevil · Mar 23, 2008

SAS = Serial Attached SCSI

ex_reven · Mar 23, 2008

ktr said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822116059

***drool***

180mb/s transfer rate, 2ms latency...raid 0 two of them on a good controller and get 300+ transfer speeds!

Because we all so badly need to be able to access our porn collection faster :roll:

oily_17 · Mar 23, 2008

DanishDevil said:
I'll do an HDTach on both of them once I install XP.

My old 74GB Raptor 8mb cache got 65+ for average reads and 7.7 for access times with HDTach.Can't remember the burst but not really that important.

Tau · Mar 25, 2008

jbunch07 said:
quick question
would it be better to run a single new age 150gb 16mb cache raptor
or a 7200 32mb cache raid 0?

Will smoke even raided raptors.

Raptors are largly a waste of money and are mostly hype (IMO)

They offer minimal speed icnreases and dramatically increased heat output, as well as space loss.

For the same money you could probobly buy a pair of 250's and raid them. they would be faster, and store more

I only have a 150GB raptor in my HTPC because it was free, i only have installs on it (no data storage on the box, its all on another computer), and i figured it might be a bit faster than a 120GB IDE drive....

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