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What is my computer doing?

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So I noticed a long time ago after being away from the computer for a bit the hdd led would be solid red indicating it was doing something but I have no idea what it could be. It stops as soon as I move the mouse, and it happens whether or not the computer is connected to wifi. Any thoughts? It is doing it again on a fresh install of windows with all updates already done.

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So I noticed a long time ago after being away from the computer for a bit the hdd led would be solid red indicating it was doing something but I have no idea what it could be. Any thoughts? It stops as soon as I move the mouse.

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Disk optimization(trim/defrag) while idle, possibly WUD as well.

I have a Maximum PC Magazine from 2006 for Windows XP users that by default "cofee breaks" were enabled (true idle). The regedit entry would end those cofee breaks and make windows auto defrag.

Im pretty sure Since Vista that when Windows goes idle it does the auto defrag/trim.

On HDDs I would turn it off but im not sure what problem could happen if that setting is disabled on SSDs
 
Thanks for fast reply :)

I have turned off auto defrag schedule for drives (the hdd's all said 0% fragmentation so I think they're ok) as per your reply so we'll see if that's what it was.
 
On HDDs I would turn it off but im not sure what problem could happen if that setting is disabled on SSDs
SSD dont need to be turned off, when it sleep mode there should be no activity on them, but maybe they'll come up with something in win11 specific for that.
 
I have turned off auto defrag schedule for drives (the hdd's all said 0% fragmentation so I think they're ok) as per your reply so we'll see if that's what it was.
I say turn it back on and let it go. Your drive most likely is at 0% simply because automatic defragging has been going on regularly - just like it is meant to.

This defragging is scheduled to be done once a week by default - it is NOT all the time. So I say enable it again and just let it finish. If allowed to run each week as schedules, it should never need to take very long complete. A good thing.

Defragging is not enabled on SSDs - despite what the setting says. But note TRIM and wear leveling activities may be enabled when the system goes idle and those features should NOT be disabled as they help maintain optimized performance (and longevity) of the SSDs.
 
Thanks for the tip Bill, have re-enabled schedule for all drives and run the trim on the ssd's since the system hadn't done it yet.

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Thanks for the tip Bill, have re-enabled schedule for all drives and run the trim on the ssd's since the system hadn't done it yet.
Good. But note it should do it again - but be over quickly. And it should happen when you are idle - when Windows (and many security programs) do their thing. Just another reason to simply walk away when done using the computer. That is, don't shut it down - just let it go to sleep.
 
So I noticed a long time ago after being away from the computer for a bit the hdd led would be solid red indicating it was doing something but I have no idea what it could be. It stops as soon as I move the mouse, and it happens whether or not the computer is connected to wifi. Any thoughts? It is doing it again on a fresh install of windows with all updates already done.
Indexing
 
More than 12 TiB of storage, I guess that's not a lot these days, but it sure does seem like it is.
It's a lot even nowadays. Not sure why would you think otherwise.
 
More than 12 TiB of storage, I guess that's not a lot these days, but it sure does seem like it is.
Terabyte data storage stopped being "big" years ago particularly once mainstream consumer devices started recording and playing back 4K video.

For smartphones, the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus were the first Apple models to record 4K video at 30 fps. They debuted in 2015.

4K video is very commonplace on sites like YouTube thus terabyte data storage is utterly unremarkable these days.
 
@Bill_Bright
using sleep/hibernation on desktops isnt a good idea.
just the fact that hw "degrades" with power going thru (e.g. o keep stuff in ram alive), and cost energy that most dont get for free.

ignoring how many (possible) issues in sw/hw that only happen with sleep/hibernation (windows).

i rather get another day of gaming (per year), instead of wasting it on sleep..


@cvaldes
maybe for you, but not the rest of the planet.
dont mistake companies putting big drives in there rigs, so they can list "more", the same way it is with samsung/apple,
with users actually using it.
maybe a third of all my customers had drives more than 20% filled (1tb hdd).

4k is only the res, nothing about bit rate or color gamut and the like, which make a big difference when looking at file size, even at relatively low fps like 30.
 
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maybe for you, but not the rest of the planet.
dont mistake companies putting big drives in there rigs, so they can list "more", the same way it is with samsung/apple,
with users actually using it.
maybe a third of all my customers had drives more than 20% filled (1tb hdd).
I don't shoot much video these days but I still have tons of 1080p and some 4K source and it's all parked in external drives.

For sure, there are plenty of people shooting 4K these days, look at all those social media influencers, YouTubers, whatever.

It's no surprise that your customers don't have a lot of data to store. That's a completely different audience. A lot of "adults" (meaning business professionals) probably aren't recording their vacations or skateboarding sessions.

When I worked in the corporate world, my Dell Optiplex started with a 64GB boot SSD and most of my work documents lived on the network; there was no secondary drive on the system. A couple of years before I left that company in 2018 the IT department upgraded that computer to a 128GB SSD. So yeah, I'm perfectly aware that your typical cubicle slave doesn't need terabyte storage.

But those marketing folks shooting and publishing videos on the corporate website? Well, one terabyte isn't going to last long. Hell, how much space does one RAW image file from a dSLR take?

So your customer base is only a subset of the totality of computer users many of whom (especially younger generation) are generating HUGE amounts of data.

Trust me, I'm an old fart but I am perfectly aware that not everyone is just using Excel, Word, e-mail client, and a web browser on their computers even if that's mostly what I do today and what I did in the corporate world.

Hell, we already know that kids use more computing/network resources than their parents.

Remember, if people weren't generating huge amounts of data, we'd all be pretty happy using smartphones with 32GB or 64GB of storage. While the iPhone 13 Pro was the first Apple model to offer 1TB storage, it was the iPhone XS (released 2018) that offered 512GB of storage. So this isn't really uncommon.

Oh, and that skateboarding video example? Well, there's the cellphone footage. Oh but the video has different angles? Maybe more than one cellphone? An old device? Maybe footage from your spectating buddies? And a GoPro helmet cam or board cam? And is the skater going to quickly turn off all of their cameras after every trick or just keep everything running?

HDR? Isn't that two extra bits?

And guess what? Data is going to keep getting larger and more commonplace. In a few years, a similar Q&A thread might mention 18TB or 24TB drives because people started shooting 8K HDR video on their smartphones. We know it's coming.

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't 8K video require four times more storage than 4K video (if compressed the same amount)?

The data storage explosion isn't being created by ordinary office workers carrying out mundane corporate tasks.

It began when Joe Consumer started being a digital content creator. The era of the early adopters wasn't a couple of years ago. It was in the mid-2000s when people started uploading content to services like pre-Yahoo Flickr (2004) and pre-Google YouTube (2005). And later pre-Meta Instagram (2010).

And I admit that as a cubicle slave I never installed games on my work PC like this


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And some of those can be modded with things like high-resolution textures.
 
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@Bill_Bright
using sleep/hibernation on desktops isnt a good idea.
just the fact that hw "degrades" with power going thru (e.g. o keep stuff in ram alive), and cost energy that most dont get for free.

ignoring how many (possible) issues in sw/hw that only happen with sleep/hibernation (windows).

i rather get another day of gaming (per year), instead of wasting it on sleep..


@cvaldes
maybe for you, but not the rest of the planet.
dont mistake companies putting big drives in there rigs, so they can list "more", the same way it is with samsung/apple,
with users actually using it.
maybe a third of all my customers had drives more than 20% filled (1tb hdd).

4k is only the res, nothing about bit rate or color gamut and the like, which make a big difference when looking at file size, even at relatively low fps like 30.
Sleep is not the same as hibernate
 
+1 to indexing
 
@cvaldes
thats what i mean.
ppl shooting stuff on their cell isnt what dedicated cams produce (data wise)
just saying 4k isnt enough, as i can shoot at 30fps/20 MBit/reduced color etc, not gonna be anywhere close to the amount of data i get shooting at 60fps/150Mbit with something like a dslr.

and when i go by the ppl i know, keeping all your pictures incl from previous phones on your device, does not equal to actually needing more storage ..
 
using sleep/hibernation on desktops isnt a good idea.
just the fact that hw "degrades" with power going thru (e.g. o keep stuff in ram alive), and cost energy that most dont get for free.
Sorry but totally disagree. Why would the ENTIRE PC industry (motherboard, RAM, power supply makers, and software/OS makers) support the ATX Form Factor which specifically requires PSUs output +5Vsb standby voltage - which is specifically there to support sleep (standby) modes - if it was a bad idea?

Modern computers - particularly with DDR4 RAM are specifically designed to work with sleep mode (by using reduced voltages to hold data) during sleep.

I will agree with your statement about "hibernation" and desktops. I never suggested hibernation with desktops. Hibernation is typically used for battery operated devices (laptops). Hybrid sleep mode was developed for PCs.

Sleep is not the same as hibernate
Exactly!

just the fact that hw "degrades" with power going thru (e.g. o keep stuff in ram alive), and cost energy that most dont get for free.
Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Any degradation is negligible, at most. It is much more likely your hardware will become obsolete long before it fails due to aging. And while I agree PC standby uses electricity, it is pennies per year.

But it really makes no sense for a number of other reasons too. Do you unplug your TVs every time you are done watching TV? What about your cable TV box? Your Internet modem? Router? Do you unplug those?

EVERY device that uses a remote control to power on is really going into and out of standby when you press that power button. Is your coffee pot programmable? Does your microwave and regular oven have a clock? Even modern washing machines and dryers go into standby mode, unless unplugged.

i rather get another day of gaming (per year), instead of wasting it on sleep..
LOL - Sorry but that makes no sense at all either. If you let your computer go to sleep, you will get MORE DAYS of gaming! Why? Because your computer will boot much faster from sleep, or even restore to where you left off. If you completely power off, you have to wait around much longer before you can play. When you power off every time, it is like being stuck in traffic waiting at another red light.
 
never said those 2 are the same, or i wouldn't have listed both.
when i still had to fix computers for friends etc, i turned sleep/hibernation off, or told them not to use it, and yes mainly laptops, but also those office/off the shelf desktops.

so when i saw a much lower "problem" rate with hw going bad, and the only thing that really changed were things like stnby/hibernation/hybrid sleep, not how ppl were using them, i dont see any other major reasons.

sure, might be better nowadays, so i can only go by past experience.


lol, dont even have a coffee maker, nor modem.
and yes, i unplug smaller stuff right away if i dont use it.
all my devices are either <0.5w, or being cut off from power when not in use.
hw switch on device, or a power strip/UPS that has it, or at least a remote switch (that uses less than the device it controls), e.g. my 2.1 on pc only has a switch on the sub.

99% on this planet will not be negatively affected by having the pc taking 20s longer to boot, completely ignoring that my rig boots to desktop in 10s, so just sitting down AFTER turning it on, is enough to not see a difference.

and not everyone lives in countries like the US or oil places in the Middle East where power is cheap, nor does it account for how many emissions are being produced, just so $#!@ turn on 3s faster or because ppl are to lazy to shut it down/unplug charger etc.

the possibility of data loss (ram)
as +80% of non battery device users dont have a ups, so any power outage will be fun, ignoring possible ssd corruption/bricking into account, which gets more likely on nand drives.

maybe some here need to get a nand based drive, and don't need sleep for "performance" reasons.. ;)
 
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I'll add from my own experience new boards can and do support charging a 5v device from a USB port, even if the machine is off.
I've charged my phone and gaming controllers that way... Plug it up, let it charge overnight - It's ready the next morning.
This is an option in the BIOS and has to be enabled but it does work.

I do power mine down instead of letting it sleep but that's just me, I'm in no hurry to start doing things so the extra time spent letting it boot is not a concern for me.
 
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@Bones
yeah did the same, until my KB started acting up and staying lit.
ErP enabled fixes it, but it also doesn't allow for any usb charging,
but my ups has 2 ports and that makes for clean setup, no cables to outlets/no chargers to deal with.
 
Not long ago I got myself a wall plug accessory that has a pair of USB ports made into it so whether the machine is acting up with that or not, it's no longer a machine-related issue for me.
I can charge the phone, controllers and whatever else I want, anytime I want and doesn't affect my useage of the machine at all.
 
new boards can and do support charging a 5v device from a USB port, even if the machine is off.
Yeah - however, it is not an ATX Form Factor requirement (yet) so while "some", or even "most" new boards support it, not all do. "IF" it has USB 3.0 ports (which supports up to 900mA instead of only 500mA) (and likely most new boards do) then USB port charging is likely - but again, not a requirement.

That said, because most boards support Wake on Keyboard and Wake on Mouse and those features are typically enabled by default, that requires those USB ports (regardless if USB 2.0 or 3.x) to have +5V present even when in standby. For this reason, some motherboards keep at least one pair of USB ports dedicated for the keyboard and mouse "alive" even in standby, then kill power for the other ports.

I will note, however, that with laptops, USB port charging if often available too - but only when connected to the charger/power supply. And that, of course, makes sense. You probably don't want to rundown your laptop battery just to charge your phone.

never said those 2 are the same
No, you never said they were the same but expressing "sleep" and "hibernation" together in that manner and stating "using sleep/hibernation on desktops isnt a good idea" clearly suggests a very close relationship. But they are not related. "Sleep" is a standby mode. Hibernation is not. Sleep requires power at all times. Hibernation does not. Sleep does not save an image of the memory environment. Hibernation does.

But the real issue is, suggesting using them on desktops isn't a good idea simply is not true. And actually never was. Sleep was always considered acceptable. Hibernation was not recommended on PCs simply because it was not needed - compared to laptops. Of course, some systems had problems with sleep - either they would not go to sleep or would not wake. But those were exceptions and exceptions don't make the rule.

sure, might be better nowadays, so i can only go by past experience.
Ummm, not true. I'm no spring chicken but I've only been working on computers since the mid 1970s. And while my past experience certainly plays a role in the advice I give, no way is that "only" what I can or should go on. We have to recognize that times and technologies change - rapidly! Therefore, we MUST do our homework, verify that what was true back in the day, or what we think was true, still is today. That's what our friend Bing Google is for. My point is, we much NOT go "only" by our past experience.

Not long ago I got myself a wall plug accessory that has a pair of USB ports made into
LOL - Note long ago, I bought a 6-pack of these and put them all over the house. In fact, for laptop users who use a cooling pad, I recommend they power that pad through one of those adapters (instead of a laptop USB port) to avoid putting additional demands on the laptop's power circuits.
 
@Bill_Bright
lol, might wanna upgrade your rig then.
I've been using usb to charge stuff since before i3770, as long as ErP feature isnt enabled im bios, no matter what type of port (2 or 3, case or board).
then again, i dont buy the lowest tier MB,
and that does make a difference.

having fixed +1000 computers/year when working as tech, has me believe experience most of the time trumps bing and google.
ppl can post whatever they want, or you wouldn't have all those conspiracy stuff online...
most of the time, if you can *find" that info easily (by looking at a handful of sites), its usually "common" stuff, folks like here dont really need to search for ...
 
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lol, might wanna upgrade your rig then.
You sure like to misrepresent what others have said. :( I never said or even suggested my own personal rig (ummm, I have 4 PCs plus a laptop here) does not support USB port charging when in standby or at other times.

Pretty sure when I repeatedly said '"some"' boards that most readers understood that I was not talking specifically about my specific computer. Sorry you didn't pick up on that, or chose to overlook that.

I've been using usb to charge stuff since before i3770, as long as ErP feature isnt enabled im bios, no matter what type of port (2 or 3, case or board).
Okay. So? Being able to charge stuff, regardless the USB version was never in question. What was in question was your inaccurate/outdated statement about sleep/hibernation and PCs.

having fixed +1000 computers/year when working as tech, has me believe experience most of the time trumps bing and google.
It does EXCEPT when that experience is woefully outdated.

But of course, Bing and Google are just tools used for researching. Neither Bing nor Google create the content they provide. So it is upon us to learn how to use those tools properly - to weed out the nonsense, the out-of-date, and the non-applicable noise. It really is not hard. In fact, with a little practice you will find it is actually very easy to verify your facts to make sure what was, still is. And that's the problem here. So, might want to give it try.

You can see via the link in my sig that as an electronics technician myself, supporting IS/IT systems for awhile, that I have a little experience here myself. And what my experience has repeatedly taught me over the years is that time marches on - and so do advanced technologies. Windows 10/11 are not XP. And today's hardware is not the same as XP era hardware. It is past time to get with the times and stop treating them like they are.

having fixed +1000 computers/year
A 1000 computers per year. That's impressive. That averages nearly 3 computers every day - assuming 7 days a week, no vacation, holidays or sick days off. You might want to contact Guiness. I've worked in busy shops with 6 or more techs that rarely saw that much average business (in broken computers) in a day.
 
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