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Your OP question was about memory speed. OC your memory or getting tighter timings makes VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE in real life, or in benchmarks, except synthetic memory benchmarks speeds. Getting your memory as hot as a spicy vindaloo is unlikely to make any real world noticable benefits to your setup.

The primary bottleneck in gaming is GPU. Then CPU. Then memory. And possibly HDD before memory. The bread and butter of gaming is doing AI, calculating coordinates, and throwing them at the GPU. Mixed in with a salty sprinkling of getting data off the HDD. Therefore the cherry on the cake is to get optimum GPU performance. A better GPU, or OC your GPU, is where the gravy is. OC your memory might win you 1-2%. OC your GPU or CPU might win you 10-20%.

The primary bottleneck in desktop use is CPU. Then HDD. Then memory. Then GPU. The sausages and mashed potatoes of desktop use is getting data and crunching it. OC your memory might win your 1-2%. OC your CPU might win you 10-20%. Going from HDD to SSD will make your desktop snappier 100% of the time.

Very rarely is the bottleneck memory, because only a few specialist activities require the constant movement of massive amounts of memory data.

For the budget you are prepared to spend... I would recommend a SSD. You will get a lot more sweet vanilla pudding out of a snappier desktop, booting time, and map loading times, than upgrading your memory.

Remember in gaming the target is NOT increasing max FPS, but increasing min FPS. That is where the "lag" and "latencies" are. Minimum FPS is absolutely not contrained by memory speeds. The creme Anglais of game tweaking is therefore raising those min FPS's, which more often than not, are hit due to loading assets off the disk... and THAT is where the SSD will come in handy. :pimp:
 
well,, im learning a few things here good stuff lemonadesoda
 
2cm...

Your OP question was about memory speed. OC your memory or getting tighter timings makes VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE in real life, or in benchmarks, except synthetic memory benchmarks speeds. Getting your memory as hot as a spicy vindaloo is unlikely to make any real world noticable benefits to your setup.

The primary bottleneck in gaming is GPU. Then CPU. Then memory. And possibly HDD before memory. The bread and butter of gaming is doing AI, calculating coordinates, and throwing them at the GPU. Mixed in with a salty sprinkling of getting data off the HDD. Therefore the cherry on the cake is to get optimum GPU performance. A better GPU, or OC your GPU, is where the gravy is. OC your memory might win you 1-2%. OC your GPU or CPU might win you 10-20%.

The primary bottleneck in desktop use is CPU. Then HDD. Then memory. Then GPU. The sausages and mashed potatoes of desktop use is getting data and crunching it. OC your memory might win your 1-2%. OC your CPU might win you 10-20%. Going from HDD to SSD will make your desktop snappier 100% of the time.

Very rarely is the bottleneck memory, because only a few specialist activities require the constant movement of massive amounts of memory data.

For the budget you are prepared to spend... I would recommend a SSD. You will get a lot more sweet vanilla pudding out of a snappier desktop, booting time, and map loading times, than upgrading your memory.

Remember in gaming the target is NOT increasing max FPS, but increasing min FPS. That is where the "lag" and "latencies" are. Minimum FPS is absolutely not contrained by memory speeds. The creme Anglais of game tweaking is therefore raising those min FPS's, which more often than not, are hit due to loading assets off the disk... and THAT is where the SSD will come in handy.

If what you said wasn't so god damn impressive I would yell at you for calling my 20CM..... LOL. But since what you said to me made a lot of sense I will just let you call me dumb ass if you want.:)
Any way that is a key point that I didn't realize....... That you are trying to increase the lower FPS rather than Gaining more FPS. Obviously one usually comes with the other. But I can overclock and that's not the problem...... SO I can always up the overclock. But I can totally see were the transfer speed of the hard drive would come into play. So an SSD would come in handy!

lemonadesoda I would shake your hand if I knew you. I am going to save this page so that I may keep it in reminder.

Also Price isn't really a concern..... I mean yes I by all means am not a rich guy but this is my hobby. So if you can make other suggestions or thoughts let me know. I would upgrade to an i7 or i5 but right now I can't warrant the price. From what I understand it's not that much of an upgrade just yet. Maybe by the time Q2 of January rolls around when 32NM tech is in full swing but right now...... even for people who really don't care about the money it still doesn't make sense if I already have a C2Q @3.4 capable of getting in the 4GHZ range. But when PCIe3.0 and the i9's are out all bets are off:)

LOL than I will be looking for someone to take my CPU off my hands!

Also an after thought to round up everything you are saying is ..... Right now until I am prepared to upgrade my CPU you would personally go for the SSD. I've been looking at those. I was thinking of a 120Gig model for program use and then my HDD now for Storage. Or Possibly a couple of 60GIG ones in RAID. I'll probably go with a good 120GIG one.
 
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I know SSD's got mentions but because (I just looked at them again) and price per dollar is stupid expensive...... I might these beauties to wait another year till they SSD's come down.....What do you think not a bad price......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136322&cm_re=Raptor-_-22-136-322-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296&cm_re=Raptor-_-22-136-296-_-Product

couple of these in RAID

I know what I'm getting for Christmas from my kids(I mean me) :)

Well I screwed up and thought you were running 06. I didnt relize you were running Vantage. For a Vantage score you're doing fine.

Also Wile E you are wrong. Sweaper is still needed AND I have TWO 4850s My score is almost 13k in Vantage. Look at my specs.

Don't worry about it bro it happens!
 
those raptors r good,BUT,u can get couple of SSDs in raid0 for that price,,much less space afcorse but its not like u wana store ur music/pics/video and documents on a raid0 setup...couple of SSDs in raid0 for raw performance,,windows and some favorite games will fly with these
seems to me that buying raptors instead of SSDs is like getting core2quads instead of I7
why buy yesterdays technology if today goodies will be affordable tomorrow
 
Yes you could get a couple of SSD's for that but they will be only about 30Gigs a piece....... and for about 180$ to 200$ a pop. (Now I'm not getting specific with the price) but my point is....... The Raptors a re still today's tech considering most people are using 7200RPM HDD and some even 5400 HDD's.
So with that said yes I would be able to get the O.S. on there sure...... and maybe a game and also 3D Vantage...... but anything no way. If I get something fast I want the benefits to go to my games too. So that's why I thought the Raptors.......

But that also maybe could be done like this.....

Buy the 300gig Raptor for my games and
two 30Gig SSD's for the operating system and for the bench's

But if I did that ...... I might as well just buy a 120GIG SSD and keep my reg HDD. LOL there is no way around it.

I'm just waying all my options to make sure I am happy with what I choose. Thanks though :D
 
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Raptors are brilliant "old tech". I think you would be happier with a SINGLE Samsung F3. RAID two of them if you insist. Look at the benchmark reviews. The F3's are often faster. Only in "database" applications are the Raptors better.

64GB SSD is fine for most purposes. That's what I use (Super Talent Ultradrive GX MLC 64GB), and with judicious management, you dont get anywhere close to filling it, so long as you have a quick HDD too.

I also suggest you "play" a few hours with a RAMdisk... just to get an idea what it can/cannot offer. It might suit you, or make you think about going 64bit with 8 or 16GB memory. That will be my next upgrade. I'll use 8GB of the 16GB system ram as a RAMdisk :pimp:
 
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Raptors are brilliant "old tech". I think you would be happier with a SINGLE Samsung F3. RAID two of them if you insist. Look at the benchmark reviews. The F3's are often faster. Only in "database" applications are the Raptors better.

64GB SSD is fine for most purposes. That's what I use (Super Talent Ultradrive GX MLC 64GB), and with judicious management, you dont get anywhere close to filling it, so long as you have a quick HDD too.

I also suggest you "play" a few hours with a RAMdisk... just to get an idea what it can/cannot offer. It might suit you, or make you think about going 64bit with 8 or 16GB memory. That will be my next upgrade. I'll use 8GB of the 16GB system ram as a RAMdisk

Thanks bud you are just a wealth of info:D I appreciate the suggestion I will play with that for a couple hours and see what I think.

Well the HDD I have currently now is a Western Digital 500Gig 7200RPM 32MB cache. So If I mixed the 64GB SSD do you think that WD drive would be quick enough to back it up in your opinion?

I also have a second one of these Western Digital's laying around that I just haven't got around to raiding it up yet. So if I raided those up to ummm...... let's say a Zero and then went out and bought myself a 64GB SSD think I would be straight on that front?


I just browsed over RAMdisk so let me get this straight it is basically making a virtual SSD on your RAM? Or did I read to quick ..... either way I will read more(and slower)
 
Yes. A RAMdisk is a virtual, semi-volatile, SSD-using-your-RAM, only about 10-100x faster. It is the #1 way to see if the HDD/SSD is the bottleneck in any situation. But you need enough system RAM to play with...
 
CC I understand I have 4 gigs right now ....... So I could play around with it. But 8 GB would be more optimal!
 
Well I screwed up and thought you were running 06. I didnt relize you were running Vantage. For a Vantage score you're doing fine. ;)

Also Wile E you are wrong. Sweaper is still needed AND I have TWO 4850s ;) My score is almost 13k in Vantage. Look at my specs.
Misread your specs as 1 4850.

No, sweeper is not needed. Haven't used it in 2 years. No problems, whatsoever. Adding cards, removing cards, adding crossfire, even with mixed gpus, and never had to run one. I've even gone between nV and ATI and not needed to run sweeper. The one time I did use it, it didn't help my problem anyway, as it ended up being a corrupted runtime, which was completely unrelated to driver uninstalls.

Running driver sweeper is from a bygone era when ATI and nV couldn't make a proper uninstaller to save their lives. That just isn't the case these days. The uninstallers work properly. Running a sweeper doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't help either. It just adds extra steps for no good reason.
 
Misread your specs as 1 4850.

No, sweeper is not needed. Haven't used it in 2 years. No problems, whatsoever. Adding cards, removing cards, adding crossfire, even with mixed gpus, and never had to run one. I've even gone between nV and ATI and not needed to run sweeper. The one time I did use it, it didn't help my problem anyway, as it ended up being a corrupted runtime, which was completely unrelated to driver uninstalls.

Running driver sweeper is from a bygone era when ATI and nV couldn't make a proper uninstaller to save their lives. That just isn't the case these days. The uninstallers work properly. Running a sweeper doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't help either. It just adds extra steps for no good reason.

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You dont need to run driver sweeper.
 
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You dont need to run driver sweeper.

You shouldn't run driver sweeper between CCC updates??
 
It's not needed, but it does get rid of entries you may have missed and it won't cause any harm. If you are constrained with the size of your O/S drive, getting rid of old drivers/entries is always a good idea.

The uninstallers work properly.

Still not always the case. If they worked properly, they would know to remove old versions of MS Visual C++. Since they don't do that, sometimes when installing new drivers, the new drivers won't recognize the card.
 
Just wanted to add on to this!!!

Hey Guys I up'd my Overclock I got tired of waiting for my RAM to arrive. But I beat my score and have a new Stable Overclock at 3.7!

Thanks for all your help before guys!


This is my new 3D vantage score It will still go up I am determined!

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This my Intel Burn test notice only at max 64C that is really good for Intel Burn test. Also I don't have a screen shot but I was able to run Large FTT's for Twelve Hours and Blend for 6.... with out error.

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And this last one is just beating my old WPrime bench of 11+ seconds now I am up at 10+ seconds. I shattered my old record!

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Just Showing off my new accomplishment thanks to all those who helped!
 

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Hey Guys I up'd my Overclock I got tired of waiting for my RAM to arrive. But I beat my score and have a new Stable Overclock at 3.7!

Thanks for all your help before guys!


This is my new 3D vantage score It will still go up I am determined!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31049&stc=1&d=1259640345

This my Intel Burn test notice only at max 64C that is really good for Intel Burn test. Also I don't have a screen shot but I was able to run Large FTT's for Twelve Hours and Blend for 6.... with out error.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31050&stc=1&d=1259640367

And this last one is just beating my old WPrime bench of 11+ seconds now I am up at 10+ seconds. I shattered my old record!

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31051&stc=1&d=1259640383

Just Showing off my new accomplishment thanks to all those who helped!

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Your coming close to my 24/7 over clock, hey try lowering the voltage some more i want to see if your q9550 is about the same as mine, ive been trying to search the net for someone who has a q9550 that can run at really high clock speeds like 4.0Ghz at the voltage im at.

Also is your packing date around august 2009 or is it a old e0 :D
 
Your coming close to my 24/7 over clock, hey try lowering the voltage some more i want to see if your q9550 is about the same as mine, ive been trying to search the net for someone who has a q9550 that can run at really high clock speeds like 4.0Ghz at the voltage im at.

Also is your packing date around august 2009 or is it a old e0

Actually mine is fairly close to that date yes. It si packing a date closer to July 2009. Now I have got my CPU up to 4.0 GHZ on stock volts. I just didn't leave it that hi because I am still only rockin 800MHZ RAM. But I have some 1066MHZ ram on the bud plus a 150GIG Raptor coming around Christmas. So hell yes buddy it's on. I think you might have met someone who can pull it off.
Give me a couple weeks and I will let you know. I also have another fan coming for the other side of my CM Hyper 212 plus which shoud also keep that bad boy really cool!

Shit bud Maximum level (Intel Burn test) and 30 runs your CPU is nuts! But hell yes I will try to match your Vcore.
You should also when you get a chance post the rest of your volts. I will tell you what man from what I have read though we are not the only one's though. It seems that these EP45-UD3 boards and Q9550's are giving a lot of people amazing results!

After thought.......... Are you on liquid or air?
 
Actually mine is fairly close to that date yes. It si packing a date closer to July 2009. Now I have got my CPU up to 4.0 GHZ on stock volts. I just didn't leave it that hi because I am still only rockin 800MHZ RAM. But I have some 1066MHZ ram on the bud plus a 150GIG Raptor coming around Christmas. So hell yes buddy it's on. I think you might have met someone who can pull it off.
Give me a couple weeks and I will let you know. I also have another fan coming for the other side of my CM Hyper 212 plus which shoud also keep that bad boy really cool!

Shit bud Maximum level (Intel Burn test) and 30 runs your CPU is nuts! But hell yes I will try to match your Vcore.
You should also when you get a chance post the rest of your volts. I will tell you what man from what I have read though we are not the only one's though. It seems that these EP45-UD3 boards and Q9550's are giving a lot of people amazing results!

After thought.......... Are you on liquid or air?

I do have a H50 corsair "water cooler" but its mainly just a little unit to compare to a true or prolimtech heatsink.
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Those are most of my voltages. :D

*edit* Im not finding any threads were someone managed to get 4.0Ghz at 1,25-1.24volts or below :D, I want to find some threads and links, also we should make a group called the 1.2volts 4.0Ghz club so only people who managed 1.2volts and below at 4.0Ghz can join :D.

*second edit* Son of a bitch i just found a guy who has completely raped my 4.0Ghz 24/7 voltage http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/434901-3-83ghz-q9550-stable-oc-stock.html im amazed just amazed

*Third Edit* Just saw his rig info Q9550 E0 4GHz with 1.2625v and thats his specs for his 24/7 4.0Ghz overclock so he runs at the same voltage settings that i run at 4.0Ghz hey i found somebody hell ya!!!!
 
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I do have a H50 corsair "water cooler" but its mainly just a little unit to compare to a true or prolimtech heatsink.
Those are most of my voltages.

*edit* Im not finding any threads were someone managed to get 4.0Ghz at 1,25-1.24volts or below , I want to find some threads and links, also we should make a group called the 1.2volts 4.0Ghz club so only people who managed 1.2volts and below at 4.0Ghz can join .

I'm all for it like I said I have some G.skill 800MHZ RAM right now and I definitely don't want to stress it that much right this second. But my other set of Corsair Dominator RAM 1066MHZ should be here this week. So by the end of the week...... Sure I'll join in we can start a Post!

And the threads I'm talking about weren't here. It was just randomly found by me on one of my board day searches. But I'm going to go catch some ZZZ's right now but when I get on here tomorrow I will find couple and post them for ya!......................This is going to be Freaking Sweet! I can't wait. :D we should get leather jacket's too...... LOL j/k

*Third Edit* Just saw his rig info Q9550 E0 4GHz with 1.2625v and thats his specs for his 24/7 4.0Ghz overclock so he runs at the same voltage settings that i run at 4.0Ghz hey i found somebody hell ya!!!!

See I told ya there out there .... just not that many. But we will find them oh yes we will!!!
 
3mark06 has cost me alot of money... that e6600 was all i needed until i met mr.bench
 
3mark06 has cost me alot of money... that e6600 was all i needed until i met mr.bench

LMFAO Tell me about it!
 
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^^^^ That right there is my stock clocks for my computer and i ran super PI stable at the clocks(off course) and it gave me 16 second PI. \
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^^^^ That right there is a 4.0Ghz over clock on my q9550 and i ran super PI and this is at stock voltage just to add the shock of how good my chip is.
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Dude you got a real slick chip there I can't wait to see how well mine stacks up:D
 
Overclock the GPU to the max in CCC, what I do.
 
3volvedcombat Hey this is for you bud!!! We had a conversation about our chips awhile ago..... about how we can overclock them to 4GHZ with low voltage.....Well thing on my end have been tight lately (due to Christams) so I haven't been able to get my new RAM yet. But I still wanted to post to you so that you didn't think you were the only one!!! Here you go 100% stock voltage..... and could have gone lower voltage had know problem with lower as well.... but my RAM failed on the second turn of Intel Burn test Settings High. I did four tests here how they came out....

Test #1 Q9550@ 4 GHZ FSB: 471 Mem: Overclocked to 940
Standard MEM Settings Intel Burn Test
Stock 1.225 (normal Votlage) High Temp 63C
Passed

Test # 2 Q9550@ 4 GHZ FSB: 471 Mem: Overclocked to 940
High MEM Settings Intel Burn Test
Stock 1.225 (normal Voltage) High Temp 63C
Failed

Test # 3 Q9550@ 4 GHZ FSB: 471 Mem: Overclocked to 940
Standard MEM Settings Intel Burn Test
1.2246 (Voltage) High Temp 62C
Passed


Test # 4 Q9550@ 4 GHZ FSB: 471 Mem: Overclocked to 940
High MEM Settings Intel Burn Test
1.2246 (Voltage) High Temp 62C
Failed

Here are some Pics but I forgot to take the pics when it actually said passed so for right now you will have to take my word for it....... And I am sure I could have passed if I maybe upped mu voltage on my DRAM...... But it's only 800MHZ g.skill RAM and I don't want to stress it too much. I would have been in stock voltage settings on it still but.... well I don't have the money to buy new RAM right now!

But here are the pics!!!!

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And here is the pic of how high my RAM was overclocked too!

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I will also send this too you in an email hopefully you remember our conversation...... Also I am still down for the jackets in our club man .... you better get them ordered we are elite!
 

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