whats going on with core 2 quad and windows?

[Aquinus]

ExceptionText = "ILLEGAL_INSTRUCTION"

This means that the CPU tried executing an instruction that was not supported. You'd need to do a lot of gymnastics to figure out exactly what instruction is causing it. I found a StackOverflow article regarding how to find it if you were on a Linux machine, but I don't think that helps you at all. However, the example in that article boils down to a lack of AVX support on the target machine when an AVX instruction was invoked. Perhaps something similar is happening to you, such as needing SSE4.2 when you only support 4.1 or something like that. I can't seem to find any information on what CPU instructions are required for R15.

FWIW, it may not be a R15 issue. The stack trace suggests that it's something in nVidia's drivers that might require a certain instruction that your CPU doesn't support. It appears to be failing within this DLL function.

nvoglv64.dll: 00007FFCE39499A3 DrvValidateVersion

Is it about the POPCNT instruction?

nVidia drivers do require this instruction, do they not?
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...ort-for-older-cpus-without-popcnt-instruction

 

[DirtyBiker]

The downgrade to the last Nvidia driver was successful, and MSI Kombustor launches but closes when attempting to run any test other than the CPU burner. The Windows admin error report indicates that the application can't access a file, which may be missing or corrupted, despite it being a fresh install. Additionally, running the SFC and CHKDSK commands did not reveal any problems. Another point of interest is that in GPUZ, the OpenGL box is unchecked. When I opened Cinebench R15 with the Microsoft basic adapter, GPUZ showed only OpenGL 1.1 as checked. After installing the previous Nvidia driver with Cinebench running in the background, the OpenGL test reported that the graphics card doesn't support this feature. It seems that OpenGL is being blocked from installing, which could be the root of the issue. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[agent_x007]

Which driver versions you tried ?

 

[DirtyBiker]

Which driver versions you tried ?

The machine is currently disassembled sorting out a noisy PSU fan, but I attempted to install the Microsoft-provided Nvidia drivers via Windows Update, which resulted in a BSOD. Both the latest and previous Nvidia drivers install, yet they fail to install the Vulkan and OpenGL drivers, which is the root of the problem as these applications depend on them. When I initially assembled this machine in 2018, there were no issues running these applications.

 

[eidairaman1]

The downgrade to the last Nvidia driver was successful, and MSI Kombustor launches but closes when attempting to run any test other than the CPU burner. The Windows admin error report indicates that the application can't access a file, which may be missing or corrupted, despite it being a fresh install. Additionally, running the SFC and CHKDSK commands did not reveal any problems. Another point of interest is that in GPUZ, the OpenGL box is unchecked. When I opened Cinebench R15 with the Microsoft basic adapter, GPUZ showed only OpenGL 1.1 as checked. After installing the previous Nvidia driver with Cinebench running in the background, the OpenGL test reported that the graphics card doesn't support this feature. It seems that OpenGL is being blocked from installing, which could be the root of the issue. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dism

 

[DirtyBiker]

This means that the CPU tried executing an instruction that was not supported. You'd need to do a lot of gymnastics to figure out exactly what instruction is causing it. I found a StackOverflow article regarding how to find it if you were on a Linux machine, but I don't think that helps you at all. However, the example in that article boils down to a lack of AVX support on the target machine when an AVX instruction was invoked. Perhaps something similar is happening to you, such as needing SSE4.2 when you only support 4.1 or something like that. I can't seem to find any information on what CPU instructions are required for R15.

FWIW, it may not be a R15 issue. The stack trace suggests that it's something in nVidia's drivers that might require a certain instruction that your CPU doesn't support. It appears to be failing within this DLL function.

nvoglv64.dll: 00007FFCE39499A3 DrvValidateVersion

nVidia drivers do require this instruction, do they not?
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...ort-for-older-cpus-without-popcnt-instruction

yes, it's not loading Vulcan or OpenGL drivers i tried installing the Nvidia driver on this HDD and GPU in another X58 board and GPUZ shows them checked but when I placed them back in the OptiPlex neither were present according to GPUZ any idea what might be happening? seems like a CFG file in windows or the registry is blocking them from loading on this system as they previously worked without issue

Dism

what DISM CMD should I run?

 

[:D:D]

You'd need to do a lot of gymnastics to figure out exactly what instruction is causing it.

Not really as the OP provided plenty of info in the first post attachment, although missing nvidia driver version. You know the address where the fault happened in nvidia OGL library nvoglv64.dll and the base address it was loaded so can know the offset address of the offending instruction. Already posted it was popcnt earlier.

nVidia drivers do require this instruction, do they not?
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...ort-for-older-cpus-without-popcnt-instruction

IIRC that was supposed to be due to Microsofts compiler update compiling using popcnt instead of one of the earlier compatible functions and fixed up accordingly, at least for the main driver. Seems though the OGL department didn't get the memo. IMO needs to be taken up with nvidia or find an earlier driver that doesn't use popcnt.

 

[agent_x007]

The machine is currently disassembled sorting out a noisy PSU fan, but I attempted to install the Microsoft-provided Nvidia drivers via Windows Update, which resulted in a BSOD. Both the latest and previous Nvidia drivers install, yet they fail to install the Vulkan and OpenGL drivers, which is the root of the problem as these applications depend on them. When I initially assembled this machine in 2018, there were no issues running these applications.

Actually... this looks somewhat like a "dead" GPU to me (failed memory/GPU chip pad issue).
Could you put it in another PC and check (just to be sure it works) ?

 

[DirtyBiker]

Actually... this looks somewhat like a "dead" GPU to me (failed memory/GPU chip pad issue).
Could you put it in another PC and check (just to be sure it works) ?

GPU is good tried it in my X58 machine Vulcan and OpenGL lode up fine I even used the SSD windows install from the OptiPlex as is in the X58 machine to try and get it to save the install but once I returned it into the OptiPlex problem persists it won't load OpenGL or Vulcan API's

 

[Frick]

Did you test drivers from 2018?

 

[DirtyBiker]

Ok so I actually had the original windows 10 64 1803 burnt to cd from back when I built this machine for my nephew I downloaded the oldest Nvidia driver I could get from there website and what do you know I open GPUZ and there it is Vulcan Physics and OpenGL 4.6 all present this driver would crash on the latest version of 10 from Micro#uket and this was no easy process but I think we're making some headway now time to see if windows update tries to break it again fingers crossed

 

[Frick]

Ok so I actually had the original windows 10 64 1803 burnt to cd from back when I built this machine for my nephew I downloaded the oldest Nvidia driver I could get from there website and what do you know I open GPUZ and there it is Vulcan Physics and OpenGL 4.6 all present this driver would crash on the latest version of 10 from Micro#uket and this was no easy process but I think we're making some headroom now time to see if windows update tries to break it again fingers crossed

Did you try new Windows with old driver?

 

[DirtyBiker]

Did you try new Windows with old driver?

Yes, I utilized DDU and then attempted to install driver 466.11 on an updated Windows 10 but I encountered a BSOD. runs fine on windows 10 1802 fully updated I had to use show hide updates troubleshooter to keep windows from updating to the latest Nvidia driver as well as windows 10 22H2

 

[Aquinus]

Yes, I utilized DDU and then attempted to install driver 466.11 on an updated Windows 10 but I encountered a BSOD.

What's the exception in the BSOD? Is it the same illegal instruction exception?

 

[DirtyBiker]

What's the exception in the BSOD? Is it the same illegal instruction exception?

Yes, it was. After rolling back to the older Windows 10 version 1802 and hiding the Windows Nvidia driver update, I'm now on the current Windows 10 version and can update drivers without experiencing BSOD. So far, I have tested three of the latest Nvidia drivers, and they all cause issues with OpenGL. However, the latest driver that works without issues is 546.33 from 2023. I am still going through the list, saving the working drivers, and deleting the broken ones from the device manager.

 

[freeagent]

For my GTX 580 to work properly with its software, I need to scoot all the way back to the 300 series drivers, from like 2008 or 2009. Its a pita, I feel ya.

 

[DirtyBiker]

For my GTX 580 to work properly with its software, I need to scoot all the way back to the 300 series drivers, from like 2008 or 2009. Its a pita, I feel ya.

Well found another blue screen driver I'm creating files good bad and blue screen once I find all the good ones I'll do performance tests on those to see which one performs the best before upgrading to Windows 11 23H2 which I will first test those drivers on my laptops hard drive by swapping it into the Optiplex

 

[R-T-B]

...this is a problem. It's supposed to only apply to Windows 11. Driver for Windows 10 are unaffected by this problem..

If the driver uses the instruction you'll run into the same issue, and it sounds like it did for a bit. OS is irrelevant in that case.

See: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...ort-for-older-cpus-without-popcnt-instruction

 

[DirtyBiker]

Well found another blue screen driver I'm creating files good bad and blue screen once I find all the good ones I'll do performance tests on those to see which one performs the best before upgrading to Windows 11 23H2 which I will first test those drivers on my laptops hard drive by swapping it into the Optiplex

Yep that's the problem but the latest driver though it doesn't boot loop crash the system it also fails to load OpenGL and Vulcan it's partially Microsoft as they push graphics driver updates and have removed the ability to block updates through their UI you have to sidestep it and download Windows show hide which is what I did to block the update

 

[lexluthermiester]

If the driver uses the instruction you'll run into the same issue, and it sounds like it did for a bit. OS is irrelevant in that case.

See: https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...ort-for-older-cpus-without-popcnt-instruction

Good info. I was under the(mistaken) impression that POPCNT was a function set for the OS. My mistake.

 

[DirtyBiker]

Thank you, R-T-B, for finding this article; it has saved me a considerable amount of time sifting through drivers. I can confirm that the latest working driver is from before this ver. Driver 552.44 is the most recent update without any problems and has provided me with the highest score on the FurMark ROG edition, achieving a 1942 in the OpenGL test. I've saved all previous drivers to a USB and am in the process of creating a list of drivers that operate flawlessly. For troubleshooting, I installed my GTX750TI, but for the final build, I will be installing the GTX1050TI as it has the capability to undervolt using the curve optimizer in MSI Afterburner. As a side note, I recall reading that the GTX750TI wouldn't be compatible with Dell SFF boards due to the 35W power limitation of the PCIe slot. However, MSI Afterburner reports 45W, even when fully overclocked. My nephew has used this machine for years with the more power-hungry GTX1050TI for playing Fortnite, and there are no signs of wear on either the PSU or motherboard. This durability I attribute to the 280W OptiPlex 755 PSU, the switch from HDD to SSD, the lower TDP Xeon E5450 CPU, and the modification of the cooling flow to exit out the front rather than over the motherboard and through the PSU.

Good info. I was under the(mistaken) impression that POPCNT was a function set for the OS. My mistake.

There is definitely something going on with clean install of the latest windows 10 in respect to CPU's lacking SSE4.2 as I tried the oldest driver and the next one up both of which work fine now but would boot loop crash the machine on a clean install of Windows and Nvidia driver in this case only the latest driver worked but without OpenGL Which is still the case with the latest drivers but now after upgrading from Windows 10 1802 throw my suspicion upgrading from any version earlier than 22H2 would have netted the same result some carryover INF file or something that allows it to work properly this is my theory take it with a grain of salt as I have no proof and have gone from skeptic into conspiracy theroriest as of recent events but I believe Microsoft and OEM's like intel Dell HP and the like have conspired to cause older overly reliable and secure system like this Optiplex to be obsolete in there efforts to collect and harvest our data as well as capitalize on selling new hardware, systems along with personal and META data

 

[DirtyBiker]

I would like to thank everyone for their helpful responses. The machine is now functioning smoothly. I intend to keep it on Windows 10 until the end of support, after which I'll learn to operate a virtual machine to run Windows XP and Windows 7. Alternatively, I may configure it to dual boot, which will allow me to play some old CD games and use my extensive MAME arcade machine emulator collection that doesn't work on my current Ryzen machine. It will also be used to run TURBO V for my X58 machines. For those experiencing similar issues, the latest Nvidia driver version that operates without any problems is 552.44. I also tested it with windows 11 23H2 works great as well

 

[agent_x007]

Some older driver information I gathered :

340.xx (last decent XP driver),
391.35 (last Fermi driver)
431.36 (last non-nerfed Vulkan speed on Kepler [API Overhead test, VK v1.0.99]),
476.xx (last Win7 driver, and last non-DCH version [DCH = supports Windows 10/11 M$ UWP thing and requires Microsoft Store]).
552.44 Last non-POPCNT required driver for Windows 10/11 (edited)

 

[cal5582]

could always try running it through the intel SDE

Intel® Software Development Emulator

Learn more about the emulator, including a product overview, installation instructions, and instructions for running emulator tools and modes.

www.intel.com

ive used that on my phenom ii x6 rig to run newer games back in the day. its basically an instruction set emulator that will emulate the missing instructions in software.

 

[Dr. Dro]

For my GTX 580 to work properly with its software, I need to scoot all the way back to the 300 series drivers, from like 2008 or 2009. Its a pita, I feel ya.

391.35 is from 2018, lol