When Will Programs move Away from Windows 7?

[theFOoL]

Hey GUYs,

So It's come to me that most Programs still support W7+ but when will those programs like Plex, Emby, Ccleaner, Opera, Etc. Move to Windows 10? I mean YES you can install these but What IF Windows 10 created a new .Net Framework? (That W7 doesn't support/Update to)

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[newtekie1]

We've seen a few move away from Vista once the security updates stopped(Google Chrome comes to mind) so I would say we can expect it around 2020 when Windows 7 loses it's security updates.

 

[Gasaraki]

When? Who knows, but mostly likely by 2019 since extended support for Win 7 ends in 2020. There are more and more apps that don't support Win 7 anymore.

 

[qubit]

Lots of programs still support XP, so it's gonna be a real long time. There's no exact end date for something like this either.

 

[theFOoL]

I'm shocked that FF is still supported with Xp or am I missing the V57 Rumor? Liking Emby though with my Video Server (All the Finding Features is a Joy) and the Last version of Opera for Xp V36 is still workable

 

[dorsetknob]

I think your find these Days there is More interest in Programs MOVING TO LINUX than WIN 10

 

[windwhirl]

I'm shocked that FF is still supported with Xp or am I missing the V57 Rumor? Liking Emby though with my Video Server (All the Finding Features is a Joy) and the Last version of Opera for Xp V36 is still workable

Yeah. I'm counting on Firefox to finally stop supporting WinXP to convince my boss of the need to upgrade to Win7... He's a penny-pinching guy. And since all the apps I need work out of the box with Seven or can do so with a workaround... That'd be the final nail in the coffin for our XP setups...

 

[Tatty_Two]

Too many businesses use 7 Enterprise etc for it to happen too soon,

 

[Final_Fighter]

its beneficial to Microsoft because it shows the consumer they will purchase a product that will endure as time goes on. its especially good for older folks who have a hard time with upgrades. younger people will always want the latest and greatest plus most computers sold come with their software preloaded. developers also like the long lifespan so they are not having to learn a ton of new stuff so they can optimize whatever it is they are working on.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Most already have. Remember, Vista-10 all run on the Windows NT 6.# kernel. If it works on Vista, it will likely work on 10. The only reason it doesn't is if it touches things like WDDM which has changed between those minor versions of the kernel.

When software says it requires Anniversary Update, it's because it targets WDDM 2.1. This is popular because it's the beginning of HDR support which Windows 7 will never have.

Windows 7 will fall off of requirements specs as more an more features like HDR move from niche to mainstream.

 

[Shihab]

It isn't necessarily a "new .Net Framework," but UWP practically does that, locking software developed on it to Windows 10+ only. Adoption has been/is so slow though that I don't think it'll be much of an issue in the foreseeable future.

The EoL of Win7 is a sane estimate to when big names "might" start dropping Win7 support, but that also depends on how long its marketshare well remain high. I don't think we'll see it losing much support as long as it remains above 10%.

programs like Plex, Emby, Ccleaner, Opera, Etc.

IMVHO, Ccleaner can become exclusive to Gentoo and the Windows-running world won't lose a thing (except one more bloatware).

its beneficial to Microsoft because it shows the consumer they will purchase a product that will endure as time goes on. its especially good for older folks who have a hard time with upgrades. younger people will always want the latest and greatest plus most computers sold come with their software preloaded. developers also like the long lifespan so they are not having to learn a ton of new stuff so they can optimize whatever it is they are working on.

Lol! Au contraire, "long lasting" is bad for Microsoft, specially in its current form. There are practically no revenue streams from old OS's save for selling the actual binaries (or a license to use it). Microsoft's best interest is to push new software that is geared towards monetizing every last drop of data their users have or need or who or what they are giving MS more options to work with. >_>

The wants and needs of the consumer are different, and the masses are often gullible or apathetic differentiating between them. Sure, from a purely Engineering point of view, a lasting tool that continues to serve its purpose efficiently is a great tool, from the market's perspective, though, not quite. And unfortunately, the consumers are trained (or naturally leaning towards) falling for towards the latter's lap, especially with electronics and related stuff. Just look at the average smartphone replacement cycle!

 

[dorsetknob]

Lol! Au contraire, "long lasting" is bad for Microsoft, specially in its current form. There are practically no revenue streams from old OS's save for selling the actual binaries (or a license to use it). Microsoft's best interest is to push new software that is geared towards monetizing every last drop of data their users have or need or who or what they are giving MS more options to work with. >_>

Lol & Kissess
Have you not Heard
Windows Plans for the Future IS

WINDOWS AS A SERVICE

 

[R-T-B]

IMVHO, Ccleaner can become exclusive to Gentoo and the Windows-running world won't lose a thing (except one more bloatware).

Nah, you guys can keep it.

 

[windwhirl]

Lol & Kissess
Have you not Heard
Windows Plans for the Future IS

WINDOWS AS A SERVICE

"Embrace, Extend and Extinguish" came to my mind...

 

[Bill_Bright]

but when will those programs like Plex, Emby, Ccleaner, Opera, Etc. Move to Windows 10?

When their developers code those programs to run on hardware only supported by W10.

 

[Shihab]

WINDOWS AS A SERVICE

Waa[F]S: Windows as a Feudal Society*

Nah, you guys can keep it.

Can't be a 1337 hax0rz if you don't delete random /etc config files every once in a while...

 

[Final_Fighter]

Lol! Au contraire, "long lasting" is bad for Microsoft, specially in its current form. There are practically no revenue streams from old OS's save for selling the actual binaries (or a license to use it). Microsoft's best interest is to push new software that is geared towards monetizing every last drop of data their users have or need or who or what they are giving MS more options to work with. >_>

Microsoft is a very large and far reaching company with MILLIONS of users. if it takes 5-10 years for them to get you to upgrade it does not bother them. if they keep these millions (maybe billions) of customers happy they are more likely to come back and they dont have to fight with others for market share. one of Microsofts biggest sources of revenue is from oems selling pcs with their software preloaded. hardware becomes outdated as time goes on so people will eventually have to upgrade and here comes the money. there are also more consumers being introduced into the market place everyday witch provide a steady source of income. not to mention the economies around the world that are emerging. its not in Microsofts best interests to update there software so fast that developers start going to other platforms and take away from what could have been an exclusive Microsoft experience. People also use their pc for making money and a living. if my company had to redo its software every other year id be pissed. They have gotten to a point were they balanced the average consumer upgrade time with the relaese of a new os. when a company gets as big as microsoft its important to keep market share and consumers happy.

When Will Programs move Away from Windows 7? After extended support is over and a security threat appears that scares everyone.

 

[Shihab]

You say Microsoft aren't bothered with long upgrade cycles, yet Microsoft has been so aggressive to push towards its "1 billion Window 10 installs," that they have done everything from offering it for free (completely robbing them the direct "sales" revenue), to pushing it to consumers without consent (a thing I like to label and will always label as borderline malware-like).
Indeed, rapidly and frequently "updating" your software and changing it can be problematic, and the thing is, Microsoft has been doing that and is committed to do that. "Major updates every 6 months" ring a bell?

I agree that OEM sales was Windows biggest market back in the day, but that's not Microsoft's idea for the future. as Dorsetknob mentioned, MS is aiming to turn Windows into as close to a service as possible. Licensing local software isn't as lucrative as it was back in late 90s and early 2000s (compared to other strategies), this is the age of data monetizing and services renting (and the latter mostly because it leads to the former).

Settling for "Hey, sales are steady, let's just remain the way we are!" is a mentality for a content, small time, neighborhood shop, not a multi-billions dollar worth corporations! Growth is what drives those entities.

 

[windwhirl]

Lol! Au contraire, "long lasting" is bad for Microsoft, specially in its current form. There are practically no revenue streams from old OS's save for selling the actual binaries (or a license to use it). Microsoft's best interest is to push new software that is geared towards monetizing every last drop of data their users have or need or who or what they are giving MS more options to work with. >_>

Microsoft is a very large and far reaching company with MILLIONS of users. if it takes 5-10 years for them to get you to upgrade it does not bother them. if they keep these millions (maybe billions) of customers happy they are more likely to come back and they dont have to fight with others for market share. one of Microsofts biggest sources of revenue is from oems selling pcs with their software preloaded. hardware becomes outdated as time goes on so people will eventually have to upgrade and here comes the money. there are also more consumers being introduced into the market place everyday witch provide a steady source of income. not to mention the economies around the world that are emerging. its not in Microsofts best interests to update there software so fast that developers start going to other platforms and take away from what could have been an exclusive Microsoft experience. People also use their pc for making money and a living. if my company had to redo its software every other year id be pissed. They have gotten to a point were they balanced the average consumer upgrade time with the relaese of a new os. when a company gets as big as microsoft its important to keep market share and consumers happy.

When Will Programs move Away from Windows 7? After extended support is over and a security threat appears that scares everyone.

Spot-on. Though I would add that they also get a lot of their revenue from cloud related businesses and services

 

[Final_Fighter]

You say Microsoft aren't bothered with long upgrade cycles, yet Microsoft has been so aggressive to push towards its "1 billion Window 10 installs," that they have done everything from offering it for free (completely robbing them the direct "sales" revenue), to pushing it to consumers without consent (a thing I like to label and will always label as borderline malware-like).
Indeed, rapidly and frequently "updating" your software and changing it can be problematic, and the thing is, Microsoft has been doing that and is committed to do that. "Major updates every 6 months" ring a bell?

I agree that OEM sales was Windows biggest market back in the day, but that's not Microsoft's idea for the future. as Dorsetknob mentioned, MS is aiming to turn Windows into as close to a service as possible. Licensing local software isn't as lucrative as it was back in late 90s and early 2000s (compared to other strategies), this is the age of data monetizing and services renting (and the latter mostly because it leads to the former).

Settling for "Hey, sales are steady, let's just remain the way we are!" is a mentality for a content, small time, neighborhood shop, not a multi-billions dollar worth corporations! Growth is what drives those entities.

1.) the reason they pushed windows 10 was for market share. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, its so they can transform windows into more of a service people believe they need. they were willing to loose some sales in order to enter into a new kind of market. the catch is in order for them to make this successful they need people to be using windows 10.

2.) the updates being too fast can be debated, we were talking about Major functionality changes not individual updates with small changes.

3.) as long as there is old hardware being replaced there is ALWAYS going to be oem sales. this is an avenue for revenue and Microsoft is not going to let this slip. i dont think you actually understand how important this is to Microsoft by downplaying it, this is how they introduce first time buyers to their software and get them hooked. once they have them now they need to keep them. its very important in emerging markets. this is how they grow and become well known.

4.) if they were settling for what you say as a small shop views then they would not care about the emerging markets, they would not have offered win10 to those who have windows 7,8,8.1 and they would have not been pushing as many updates as you say they are. the fact is Microsoft is extremely busy trying to maintain its image and keep with the times. Microsoft is not perfect but they like money and they like good PR. A functional product that is recognizable, keeps with the times and gives you exclusive functionality is why a lot of people use windows or its all they know becasue microsoft did a good job making them think its there only option.

5.) Microsoft cant bring certain changes to quick as they learned with windows 8, they have to balance what they do.

im not really sure how much more i can elaborate.

 

[Bill_Bright]

1.) the reason they pushed windows 10 was for market share. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, its so they can transform windows into more of a service people believe they need. they were willing to loose some sales in order to enter into a new kind of market. the catch is in order for them to make this successful they need people to be using windows 10.

Sorry but that is not correct at all.

The reason they pushed and are still pushing Windows 10 is because it is a total waste of resources with $0.00 in return to maintain development on multiple operating systems (W10, W8 and W7). So they want everyone on W10 so they can concentrate all their efforts and manpower on just one OS. And that just make good business sense. And THAT is why they offered W10 for free to W7 and W8.1 users - that and a PR attempt to get back in good graces. And that was a good long term business decision too.

5.) Microsoft cant bring certain changes to quick as they learned with windows 8, they have to balance what they do.

This was one of Microsoft's biggest marketing blunders. And it was just plain stupid. They clearly did no user surveys and instead, just assumed everyone would blindly follow them. This mistake is still hurting them as too many people are still hesitant to believe what MS says, even when it makes total sense.

It should be noted Microsoft tried to shove the W8 UI/desktop down our throats solely for marketing purposes - for Windows Phone marketing purposes! They were convinced of two things. (1) That everyone would automatically fall in love with the new W8 UI/desktop. And (2) because everyone would automatically love the new W8 UI, the next time they went shopping for a smart phone, they would pick up a Windows Phone and automatically be in love with it too - and buy it over an iPhone or Android.

They were wrong on both counts.

 

[mouacyk]

When IT freezes over...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Lots of programs still support XP, so it's gonna be a real long time. There's no exact end date for something like this either.

Exactly. And while Windows 7 is still used by a solid third of the PC's on the planet, few devs will want to alienate themselves from potential customers that will happily give them the finger for not supporting their favorite platform, which most people and experts still agree is more secure when properly configured.

I think your find these Days there is More interest in Programs MOVING TO LINUX than WIN 10

While this statement seems optimistic, there is that trend going on. A very large part of the populous are getting very tired of Microsoft's BS and are looking for, or are already using, an alternative. Microsoft is killing the PC slowly with all of their "do what we say and like it" crap.

 

[Final_Fighter]

Sorry but that is not correct at all.

The reason they pushed and are still pushing Windows 10 is because it is a total waste of resources with $0.00 in return to maintain development on multiple operating systems (W10, W8 and W7). So they want everyone on W10 so they can concentrate all their efforts and manpower on just one OS. And that just make good business sense. And THAT is why they offered W10 for free to W7 and W8.1 users - that and a PR attempt to get back in good graces. And that was a good long term business decision too.

what you are pointing out is true. but i dont think you really understand what i said. in order for windows 10 to work they needed to pull from the millions of people who would have no reason to update unless it was appealing. windows 7 was a really good operating system when windows 10 came out and in order for Microsoft to get the number of users to migrate they had to offer it the way they did or people would have held out more so then they are now. windows 10 is a turning point in how Microsoft wants to make extra cash. they wanted windows 10 to be adopted quickly so that it could receive development at a quick rate. developers are not going to waste there time for a platform that does not have a lot of users initially. windows 10 needed a large portion of the market share from windows 7 in order to get off the ground. 10 could have been like 8 if Microsoft marketed it the same way. if microsoft was burdened by windows 7, 8, 8.1 then they would shorten the life span. they are not making money off people holding out but the day will come when they will be looking to upgrade the hardware they have. getting people to use the ms store and services windows 10 has does not happen overnight but it sure does help if you can get millions of people looking at it daily.

 

[theFOoL]

When they remove "Go back to Windows 7" option in the Control Panel what will happen and how Windows 10 will be like in that year 2020...