Which CPU platform is better for me i7 8700 vs 1700 for workstation and gaming?

[notb]

The main issue here is that Android Studio requires intel virtualization tech (it's on their requirements) for hardware accelerated features to work. If that is a piece of software that he uses often then AMD is not even in the running.

I've googled a bit yesterday and people have found workarounds for this. But that's good for hobbyists and maybe trying stuff out. If this PC is meant for professional / serious stuff, it's clearly a no-go for AMD.

The point of the temp comment was to show that under the stock cooler, the chip runs cool enough to sustain a 24/7 OC without any issues. Which is $ saved at the end of the day.

$ saved or $ lost... that's not easy to judge without decent data.
What is more obvious is that it's very unlikely that workstations used in a professional environment (business, industry or scientific) would be overclocked at all.

 

[eidairaman1]

I wouldn't trust any cents from notb, cheapsk8.

 

[GoldenX]

You can run the emulator with an AMD CPU under Linux, and it's a personal opinion but I would prefer to code on Linux for Linux.

 

[notb]

I wouldn't trust any cents from notb, cheapsk8.

"cheapsk8" WTF?
You wouldn't trust me because I don't have an AMD poster in my toilet? Care to show a particular comment you don't agree with?

Simple stuff in this topic. OP asks for a PC for gaming and very particular work. For gaming i7 is better and for his work Intel is the only safe option. You agree with that or not?

You can run the emulator with an AMD CPU under Linux, and it's a personal opinion but I would prefer to code on Linux for Linux.

Coding for mobile is usually encapsulated and isolated from the shell (at least more than coding for x86). You have and IDE and target an architecture. It really doesn't matter what the OS is. If OP plans to game as well, Windows will be much more comfortable. The worst scenario he could try is a dual boot configuration. A better one would be a Windows host with Linux VM, but I doubt the Android emulator would work. And from what I've read, it's really rubbish on AMD - even if you make it start (because the word "work" seems inappropriate).

 

[johnspack]

My 6 core cpu is starting to annoy me trying to run multiple vms ect... if you want a workstation capable cpu, gonna need 8+ cores. If you want gaming, you need speed.
Neither cpu is sufficient! Try HEDT intel, might get you there.... or Threadripper....

 

[notb]

My 6 core cpu is starting to annoy me trying to run multiple vms ect... if you want a workstation capable cpu, gonna need 8+ cores. If you want gaming, you need speed.
Neither cpu is sufficient! Try HEDT intel, might get you there.... or Threadripper....

If you need "multiple VMs", you might think about a server-grade machine. But people that get into VMs often overuse them.
One has to remember VMs are a lot less flexible than running software on the host OS. They should be used when essential (like: using Linux & Windows at the same time, testing software in a secure environment etc)...
What you often see instead is: "I'm a VM master. I have a VM for database, a VM for coding, a VM for playing music, a VM for porn sites. They're all separated and awesome."
(Actually, the VM for porn sites is not a bad idea.)

A 2-core CPU is just as "workstation capable" as an 8-core one, if you only need 2 cores.

Each CPU mentioned in this topic is sufficient for the tasks OP is planning (putting Android Studio + AMD compatibility aside).

 

[johnspack]

Not sure if you understand what a workstation is sonny. Some of us have been doing this for upto 20 years. Just rendering, or transcoding a lousy audio file can use as many threads as you
c an throw at it. In this day and age of faster and better, more threads ARE faster and better. Games that only use 4 threads, well, that's fine, but the os still needs a thread or 2 for stuff. In the end you think an equally clocked 4 core cpu will outperform an 8 core cpu in the same game... duh. In the end, you will need more than a quad core cpu. I've already proven it to myself, starting from dual core days when they said 4 cores were too much... god.

 

[notb]

Not sure if you understand what a workstation is sonny. Some of us have been doing this for upto 20 years. Just rendering, or transcoding a lousy audio file can use as many threads as you

LOL for the "sonny".

Once again:
"A 2-core CPU is just as "workstation capable" as an 8-core one, if you only need 2 cores."

Not everyone does rendering or similarly multi-threaded tasks. Some of us use single-threaded stuff most of the day. You don't get it, do you?

 

[eidairaman1]

Erm @johnspack does understand, however being blind/arrogant doesn't help you see your own mistakes in suggestions notb.

 

[R-T-B]

Gentlemen: Workstations are inherently more threaded, and AMD is inherently unsuitable for pro-grade android development at this point in time.

I think any ignorance here can be attributed to both sides. Notb seems unable to admit workstations like threads, while the AMD crowd seems unable to admit AMD is simply not an option due to the virtualization requirements because of fanboy vision.

 

[R0H1T]

The main issue here is that Android Studio requires intel virtualization tech (it's on their requirements) for hardware accelerated features to work. If that is a piece of software that he uses often then AMD is not even in the running.

The point of the temp comment was to show that under the stock cooler, the chip runs cool enough to sustain a 24/7 OC without any issues. Which is $ saved at the end of the day.

Are you sure, this says AMD-V works as well, though under linux ~ https://developer.android.com/studio/run/emulator-acceleration.html

 

[notb]

Notb seems unable to admit workstations like threads, while the AMD crowd seems unable to admit AMD is simply not an option due to the virtualization requirements because of fanboy vision.

For me workstations are about getting the job done. And I totally admit that workstations usually utilize more threads than consumer PCs.

I'm only against the blind approach that workstations MUST have many threads, with "many" being really poorly defined. This results in people running around and teaching others that one can't code or analyze data on 4 cores, because suddenly that's only good for games, not serious stuff.

OP asked for a CPU for games and coding. He mentioned 2 options, both from the top of consumer segment. And it's coding for Android, not computational fluid dynamics. People do this on freekin' MacBooks.
How is it even possible, that we're seeing Intel HEDT and AMD TR suggested in this topic?

Also, I'm still waiting for the "cheapsk8" explanation from @eidairaman1 .
I'm sure he can add this to his next comment, in which he'll share some more of his deep knowledge of professional PC applications or coding...

Are you sure, this says AMD-V works as well, though under linux ~ https://developer.android.com/studio/run/emulator-acceleration.html

Well, maybe. But should you really need to change your OS because of a CPU? Is it worth that 10-15% price difference? Seriously?
Virtualization issues have also been reported in different cases: like SAS University Edition (which is deployed as a standalone VM).

 

[Cvrk]

Intel Without question

 

[Thefumigator]

In the company I work most developers use mac
I'm one of the few with an i7 laptop (MSI WS60 "workstation" laptop)
But early days on this company I did lot of android development on a Core Duo laptop.
the mate next to me did all his computer software career on a sempron computer.
I know that intel has HAXM to accelerate Android X86 emulation. But for us developers this isn't enough. If I'm going serious on android studio I would use real Android devices for debugging. I have quite a few, a Lenovo K5, Xiaomi A1, Xiaomi 4A, Generic Android 4 tablet, and quite few others. So I never use the emulator really.

And on the other side, think about this: don't be fooled about how strong your workstation is, the real strength comes from your effort and talent to develop.

 

[eidairaman1]

In the company I work most developers use mac
I'm one of the few with an i7 laptop (MSI WS60 "workstation" laptop)
But early days on this company I did lot of android development on a Core Duo laptop.
the mate next to me did all his computer software career on a sempron computer.
I know that intel has HAXM to accelerate Android X86 emulation. But for us developers this isn't enough. If I'm going serious on android studio I would use real Android devices for debugging. I have quite a few, a Lenovo K5, Xiaomi A1, Xiaomi 4A, Generic Android 4 tablet, and quite few others. So I never use the emulator really.

And on the other side, think about this: don't be fooled about how strong your workstation is, the real strength comes from your effort and talent to develop.

Yeah id like to take the skin of a particular 4.4.2 KK custom rom and implement it on a 6.0-7.1 Kernel