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The AMD 5000+ Black Edition is (at stock) a better real world performer than even a C2D E6420 (at stock).

3DMark06 CPU Test :
5000+ (65nm) = 1917 3DMarks w/ stock speeds and memory slightly underclocked @ 742MHz
C2D E6420 (conroe) = 1885 w/ stock speeds and memory running full speed @ 800MHz
C2D E6400 (allendale) = 1858 w/ stock speeds and memory running full speed @ 800MHz

Now, the C2D is definitely better once you start overclocking and most newer C2Ds have much more headroom for overclocking as well. So, I'd guess that a 5000+ with a 3.6GHz OC would roughly equal the real world performance of a stock C2D Extreme X6800 or so.

Also, Hat has a real good point with the price vs performance margin with these chips as well. At the bottom to mid range price market (where the majority of mainstream business is done), AMD still has the crown and this will only strengthen with the release of the Toliman and Kuma core Phenoms that are due out shortly.
 
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Also, Hat has a real good point with the price vs performance margin with these chips as well.
:toast: I was almost expecting some not-so-constructive critisizim!
 

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:toast: I was almost expecting some not-so-constructive critisizim!

Why would I critisize someone who has just demonstrated a good grasp of CPU price vs performance value! :pimp:
 

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Also, Hat has a real good point with the price vs performance margin with these chips as well. At the bottom to mid range price market (where the majority of mainstream business is done), AMD still has the crown and this will only strengthen with the release of the Toliman and Kuma core Phenoms that are due out shortly.

yup, hat explained it really well, good job hat!
 

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hat, what a bastid!
 

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Hm, most people seem to aggree with me about price vs performance. Get the AMD!
 

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I would say AMD anyway, just cause that's how I roll :)
 

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Why is it this black edition can get to 3.4-3.6 when most Brisbanes top out around 3?
 

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Why is it this black edition can get to 3.4-3.6 when most Brisbanes top out around 3?

unlocked mutlis + 65 nm tech (for 5000)
 

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Why is it this black edition can get to 3.4-3.6 when most Brisbanes top out around 3?

probably because its not a true brisbane, its probably an old binned toledo core (like the 6000) or something like that doesn't have the architectural limits that are experienced by cores like the windors
 

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probably because its not a true brisbane, its probably an old binned toledo core (like the 6000) or something like that doesn't have the architectural limits that are experienced by cores like the windors

except toledo=90nm and brisbane=65nm so i dont see how that would work? i wonder if it is a modified brisbane though like a server core or something along those lines
 

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could be an operton 65nm core or something, but imma place my bet that its not a true brisbane, could be a taste of phenom maybe?
 

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thats what i was thinking maybe like the in between core?
 

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I thought the Phenoms were only quad core...what are they gonna do, cut one in half?
 
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I Mean oc the black to 3.6ghz vs core2 up to 3ghz
which one is better ?

because getting oc core2 up to 3.5 or 4 is almost RARE

Are you kidding me? Most C2D's will do 3.5, especially if you know what you're doing. Hell, even most Quads will go better than 3.2.
 

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I thought the Phenoms were only quad core...what are they gonna do, cut one in half?

no phenom based cores will go from 1 to 4 just not called phenom for



maybe this is what the new semprons will run like!!!
 

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Are you kidding me? Most C2D's will do 3.5, especially if you know what you're doing. Hell, even most Quads will go better than 3.2.

conroe 3.6 and above
allendales 3.4
 

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There will be phenom x3 and x4. There will be phenom x2's, only sporting the Athlon name.
 

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i think the 5000+ would be the better choice :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=162738
 

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3.7GHz... I doubt that's stable...
 

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Here are two benchmarks showing Black Edition 6400+ @ stock and @ 3.5 GHz.
 

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lol it only lost to the quads...
 
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