Which should i upgrade first and What should i upgrade it to ?

[GeForce]

could you list the full specs of your pc?
e.g motherboard ram hdd, psu
we dont want to recommend you say a RTX 2060 and then bam your psu cant handle it.

As i mentioned before , i have Fx-8320 paired with asus m4a97 mobo(i believe this is the one ) and asus r9 280x
My PSU is seasonic 620U (will be newer GPU will be able to power using this ? )
And Samsung 22'' 1080p (Not the fancy 144hz ones , i believe this is 75hz )
And i have cooler master 212 evo as well.
And 8 gigs of DDR3 RAM

Before Ryzen came out in early 2017, the undisputed king of gaming CPU's was the i7-7700K, and no one was talking about needing more than the 4c/8t that it offered. Ryzen changed all of that. What I'm trying to point out is that planning a system for 5 years is impossible.

About the 470/480/570/580 question, They and the GTX 1060 and even the older GTX 980 perform about the same! That's why I suggested the GTX 1660 Supper, as it's performance splits that of the GTX 1070 and 1070 Ti. I just question if the GTX 2060 Super is worth $150+ more, for 1080P gaming.

The price difference between 1660 Ti and 2060 is 50$ , as the 1660Ti is on higher side in my country. So i thought , it would be wise to upgrade it with 2060 (Initially i was preferring Rx 5700 , but the price difference between 2060 and 5700 is 85$ approximately)

If gaming is the goal it's hard to say for certain when you put it like that (futureproofing) as things will change a lot with new consoles coming out.
As for current PC standards it looks like a zen2 8core+5700xt is the rough equivalent for those consoles (ballpark - who knows the exact power constraints and clocks, the gpu sounds like a newer design than the 5700 cards also so it might even be better).

Right now few rare hungry games aside - where 8 cores only slightly boost fps or at least affect minimums - 6c/12t is the ideal CPU, and depending on resolution the gpu could be a budget 1660 (there's like 4-5 variants im not even sure which one's the "best" atm) or a higher cost 2060s/5700/xt/2070s (1080p to 1440p). Broadly speaking i think futureproofing a system on a tight budget might be hard, so I think you just buy whats best for your budget right now, otherwise you'll end up putting off building something every year as new things that change where the goalpost sits come out all the time.

Yep , Gaming is my goal .. But i do little photo editing as well using photoshop and Lightroom (the Fx-8320 handles it decently). The FPS difference between 6 cores and 8 cores seems to not much of a difference , but not sure how the future might be . So had confusions as well whether 3600 is a solid choice

 

[biffzinker]

You can fill out your system specs at the link below. Would save you the trouble in the future from having to list your system specs again.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/account/specs

 

[GeForce]

Though honestly if you're not, you might be overpaying buying one for 1080p gaming. When I bought mine it was the best option. Not so much now.

This point , is what i m thinking about a lot .. I may not be using it efficiently at the moment , but i might be useful as the months progress rite ? And selling stuff in my country doesnt work as easily in other places as well !

 

[biffzinker]

Yep , Gaming is my goal .. But i do little photo editing as well using photoshop and Lightroom (the Fx-8320 handles it decently). The FPS difference between 6 cores and 8 cores seems to not much of a difference , but not sure how the future might be . So had confusions as well whether 3600 is a solid choice

Here's where the Ryzen 5 3600 sits in Pudget System's Photoshop CPU roundup benchmark.

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Lightroom

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[Ruru]

Your S12II is fine, though it's a pretty old platform, but still a good quality one. At least it's not those cheap Chinese Ping-Pong fireworks PSUs.

 

[Zach_01]

As i mentioned before , i have Fx-8320 paired with asus m4a97 mobo(i believe this is the one ) and asus r9 280x
My PSU is seasonic 620U (will be newer GPU will be able to power using this ? )
And Samsung 22'' 1080p (Not the fancy 144hz ones , i believe this is 75hz )
And i have cooler master 212 evo as well.
And 8 gigs of DDR3 RAM



The price difference between 1660 Ti and 2060 is 50$ , as the 1660Ti is on higher side in my country. So i thought , it would be wise to upgrade it with 2060 (Initially i was preferring Rx 5700 , but the price difference between 2060 and 5700 is 85$ approximately)



Yep , Gaming is my goal .. But i do little photo editing as well using photoshop and Lightroom (the Fx-8320 handles it decently). The FPS difference between 6 cores and 8 cores seems to not much of a difference , but not sure how the future might be . So had confusions as well whether 3600 is a solid choice

Can you state a rough bugdet for the upgrade?
Also my opinion, as the many, is to upgrade the CPU/MB/RAM first. Look at my specs....
Previous I had

FX8370 with 990FX/SB950 chipset board
8GB of DDR3 1866
RX580 8GB
SSD 512GB (Samsung 850Pro)
24" 1920x1200 monitor (=2.3MPixel)

A lot of games stutter (framedrops) at times and the avg framerate wasnt great either but good enough for me.
Got the 3600 with X570 and 16GB DDR4. I chose X570 and not X470/B450 because I wanted to be closer (for better compatibility) with the next ZEN3(4000series), to have options to upgrade down the road.
I intent to keep this 6core/12T CPU at least 2~3years and then (2021~22) decide if I want to upgrade it to a 4000 12core/24T or even greater depending the prices at the time, and if I need to.

GPU wise
The RX580 8GB (or any equivalent GPU) is still great for ~1080p gaming. At least 95% of games playing maxed out and a few at high/ultra mix settings. But I dont care about steady 60FPS. Im ok with 40 or even 30. The most important to me is that games now are not stutter! I'm playing FarCry5 (2018) maxed out with 70+FPS avg and ~50FPS 1% lows. The game is flawless experience...

So IMHO upgrade to a 3600 +B450 board if your budget is limited or X570 (~200$) if not. Performance is the same. Get 16GB DDR4 3200~3600 (preferably 3600) and keep your GPU and your PSU for another 6months or even a year (with some compromises on game settings) and then upgrade it. If you intent to keep your 1080p monitor a ~250USD GPU (whatever is on market then) will be enough for 1080p for a 4~5years run. If you intent to switch to a 1440p then a 5700XT(or an equivalent after 0.5~1year) is a sweetspot for the next few years.

As for the editing/rendering capability of the 3600... while its not like other bigger "guns" its still x2.5~x3 faster than FX8370 (OC 4.5GHz) depending the work load. Its night and day...
The single core performance is also literally x2.

 

[potato580+]

cpu ryzen 1600/2600+ mb b350/450
optional i5 9400f+h310
monitor not necessary
gpu rx480/580 4/8gb/gtx1060 6gb/1650 super
thats alr enough for curent fullhd mid/high preset gameplay, aprox 40-60fps or so

might consider abit extra cost for an used 1070ti/vega56 to make sure your gameplay smooth

 

[GeForce]

Can you state a rough bugdet for the upgrade?
Also my opinion, as the many, is to upgrade the CPU/MB/RAM first. Look at my specs....
Previous I had


So IMHO upgrade to a 3600 +B450 board if your budget is limited or X570 (~200$) if not. Performance is the same. Get 16GB DDR4 3200~3600 (preferably 3600) and keep your GPU and your PSU for another 6months or even a year (with some compromises on game settings) and then upgrade it. If you intent to keep your 1080p monitor a ~250USD GPU (whatever is on market then) will be enough for 1080p for a 4~5years run. If you intent to switch to a 1440p then a 5700XT(or an equivalent after 0.5~1year) is a sweetspot for the next few years.

My Budget for GPU is around 400$ , for CPU around 200 $, I havent even looked at the mobo prices at the moment , but i hope i dont need too pricey ones for this ! (Prices in my country are crazy and stupid )
RX 580 - 215$
1660Ti - 315$
RTX 2060 - 380$
RX 5700 / RTX Super- 450$
RX 5700 XT - 550$

May after Six months or so , I will upgrade the CPU , if i go with GPU first ( CPU prices are decent when compared to GPU in my country)

I played the FarCry2018 with my , R9 280x it was very decent .. Even though , there were some drops at times .. But i enjoyed thoroughly with my setup .. But the new ones , Metro Exodus .. those are struggling .. the AC series look poor too , dont know whether the CPU is bottlenecking tat one too !!

cpu ryzen 1600/2600+ mb b350/450
optional i5 9400f+h310
monitor not necessary
gpu rx480/580 4/8gb/gtx1060 6gb/1650 super
thats alr enough for curent fullhd mid/high preset gameplay, aprox 40-60fps or so

might consider abit extra cost for an used 1070ti/vega56 to make sure your gameplay smooth

1.The Ryzen 2600 is similarly priced around 3600 in my place , probably 30$ diff

2.Considering 40 - 60 fps , wouldnt the upcoming games , might struggle ? I need atleast 50 fps for atleast 2 , 3 years .. tats fine with me

3.1070Ti and Vega56 , those are quite difficult to find in stock , or they might be overpriced. ,

So i m sticking with the below options : (1080p - 3 yrs minimum , please bare with me )

RX 580 - 215$
1660Ti - 315$
RTX 2060 - 380$
RX 5700 / RTX Super- 450$
RX 5700 XT - 550$

 

[Zach_01]

I believe the CPU is the most bottleneck in your setup. The FX series just cant keep up a steady data rate to any mid/high end GPU. If you upgrade the GPU first you will still have massive framedrops sometimes.
The RX580 is a +50% performer than R9 280X. And I had RX580 with FX8370 (better than 8320) and still had stutter and drops with AAA games.
If you upgrade the CPU/MB/RAM +SSD for boot/OS/Games your r9 280X will gain a little in avg FPS but massively in the low/lowest.

Its your call...

 

[potato580+]

My Budget for GPU is around 400$ , for CPU around 200 $, I havent even looked at the mobo prices at the moment , but i hope i dont need too pricey ones for this ! (Prices in my country are crazy and stupid )
RX 580 - 215$
1660Ti - 315$
RTX 2060 - 380$
RX 5700 / RTX Super- 450$
RX 5700 XT - 550$

May after Six months or so , I will upgrade the CPU , if i go with GPU first ( CPU prices are decent when compared to GPU in my country)

I played the FarCry2018 with my , R9 280x it was very decent .. Even though , there were some drops at times .. But i enjoyed thoroughly with my setup .. But the new ones , Metro Exodus .. those are struggling .. the AC series look poor too , dont know whether the CPU is bottlenecking tat one too !!



1.The Ryzen 2600 is similarly priced around 3600 in my place , probably 30$ diff

2.Considering 40 - 60 fps , wouldnt the upcoming games , might struggle ? I need atleast 50 fps for atleast 2 , 3 years .. tats fine with me

3.1070Ti and Vega56 , those are quite difficult to find in stock , or they might be overpriced. ,

So i m sticking with the below options : (1080p - 3 yrs minimum , please bare with me )

RX 580 - 215$
1660Ti - 315$(get 1660 super instead )
RTX 2060 - 380$
RX 5700 / RTX Super- 450$
RX 5700 XT - 550$

as for me if it is 1 to 3rd option i will go for rtx2060, new card, premium raytrac, better temp, good price, as for 5700/xt/super ive never own the card, so cant tell the value of those, i stringly recomend 2060 yes

 

[Hyderz]

Which country you located?

man the 2700x is going for $159 usd in Amazon atm could upgrade to that with 8c/16threads

 

[biffzinker]

an the 2700x is going for $159 usd in Amazon atm could upgrade to that with 8c/16threads

The Ryzen 5 3600 outperforms a 2700X in Photoshop, and Lightroom though.

 

[Hyderz]

The Ryzen 5 3600 outperforms a 2700X in Photoshop, and Lightroom though.
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yes but its cheaper

 

[RealNeil]

Maybe you should consider a Radeon RX590 card?

Newegg has the Gigabyte model for $180.00 US right now.
I realize that you can't get these prices and deals where you are, but this card is worth a look.

Also, in the future, you can add a second one of these for Crossfire performance.

 

[biffzinker]

yes but its cheaper

I OP did mention:

1.The Ryzen 2600 is similarly priced around 3600 in my place , probably 30$ diff

I wonder what the 2700X would cost?

 

[RealNeil]

I wonder what the 2700X would cost?

When I bought my Ryzen setup, I had the R7-3700X in my cart with an ASUS ROG Crossfire VIII Hero (wifi).
I almost bought it, but then I saw that the R7-3800X was only 30 bucks more. That's what I bought.

 

[Melvis]

Basically you havent got much choice with your current system for upgrades to it besides a GPU upgrade so since your looking at something thats going tolaast you a long time then the AM4 platform is the way to go. Get a good B450 or if you can afford a good 470 /570 Mobo, get a ryzen 5 3600 CPU and some good speed DDR4 Memory, 3200/3600MHz and later on if you feel the need you can just upgrade the CPU. This is your best bet of a long lasting platform with an upgrade path. Then also get a better GPU later as well when you get the funds.

Best of luck!

 

[Vayra86]

There is no such thing as future proofing, so may I suggest a budget approach? For 1080P:
Ryzen 2600 can be had at Newegg for $115 (but the 3600 at $190 is a good deal as well)
B450 motherboard (B450 Tomahawk [Max] used as an example) $115
16 GB DDR4-3200 $60
GTX 1660 Supper $230

Total: $520

This is basically what I'm building today for a friend. Great budget option and will destroy most if not all games at 1080p.

I'd advise against going lower than the 1660S though, you will find it to be more expensive in the long run because you'll want more grunt sooner, while the price/perf of 1660S is fantastic and its a well balanced card that'll last. If you have to save on this setup, drop to Ryzen 2600 and shave another 20 off the board with an Asus Prime A

 

[Ruru]

Maybe you should consider a Radeon RX590 card?

Newegg has the Gigabyte model for $180.00 US right now.
I realize that you can't get these prices and deals where you are, but this card is worth a look.

Also, in the future, you can add a second one of these for Crossfire performance.

Crossfire is already dead as I noticed with 2x R9 290 cards.

 

[RealNeil]

Crossfire is already dead as I noticed with 2x R9 290 cards.

I use a pair of Vega-64 cards in Crossfire. When it's not enabled in a game, my Vega-64 single provides plenty of grunt. When Crossfire is supported, I get a healthy boost from two of them.
I also have two GTX-1080FE cards in SLI, and two GTX-1070Ti cards in SLI.

 

[Ruru]

Exactly, when supported. I noticed that the second R9 290 spent most of its time idling since newer games simply didn't support multi-GPU.

 

[Kapone33]

Exactly, when supported. I noticed that the second R9 290 spent most of its time idling since newer games simply didn't support multi-GPU.

And that is bad because?
With crossfire you always buy the 2nd card for less than the first. I also have 2 Vega 64s in crossfire and am quite pleased with it. Even though a lot of new AAA gamers don't support it there are plenty of games that have crossfire support.

 

[Zach_01]

AMD stated clearly that will not support crossfire in the future, and I’m convinced that nVidia will do the same. Multi GPU setups are dead pretty much.
GPU vendors and game developers don’t care about supporting it...

And it’s not cost effective for the user if you consider the cost/price of the 2 GPUs and of a monster PSU that is needed.

PS
I couldn’t care less for the power consumption itself...

 

[Ruru]

And that is bad because?
With crossfire you always buy the 2nd card for less than the first. I also have 2 Vega 64s in crossfire and am quite pleased with it. Even though a lot of new AAA gamers don't support it there are plenty of games that have crossfire support.

Having the second card idling is just senseless. Yeah, older games do have better support, but I don't play the same games over and over again which benefit from CF.

AMD didn't drop CF support from Navi without a reason.

 

[Kapone33]

AMD stated clearly that will not support crossfire in the future, and I’m convinced that nVidia will do the same. Multi GPU setups are dead pretty much.
GPU vendors and game developers don’t care about supporting it...

And it’s not cost effective for the user if you consider the cost/price of the 2 GPUs and of a monster PSU that is needed.

PS
I couldn’t care less for the power consumption itself...

Well since Crossfire support is still in the marketing for every board that has more than 1 PCI_E 16 lane I would not say it is officially dead. We know that the NAVI cards do not support crossfire but the argument should not be about crossfire or SLI but DX12 Multi GPU support. I could actually see something like that when we move to 4K+ 120HZ monitors as today even the 2080TI cannot get 60 FPS in every single game at 4K Ultra but 2 Vega 64s are faster than a 2080TI in games that support it at 4K like TWWH3. As far as power draw goes I always buy more GPU then I need initially.

Having the second card idling is just senseless. Yeah, older games do have better support, but I don't play the same games over and over again which benefit from CF.

AMD didn't drop CF support from Navi without a reason.

In my over 800 game Steam library over 150 games support crossfire and I have yet to play them all. Shadow of War is a game that comes to mind.