Why does everyone hate the 4080?

[BetrayerX]

Ridiculously overpriced, Nvidia thinks it's the new Apple where they can charge anything they like, and the "cool boys" pay for them because "I can pay it". It's annoying that the consumers are allowing this, but hell, we live in an age where any stupid phone game has $99.00 pay to win buys and they are doing fine....

 

[chrcoluk]

Well if you can't tell by now, you are being ignored for being a massive hypocrite.
The hypocrisy here is that you also wasted lots of money on frivolous hardwares, yet you claim the moral high ground against people who waste more money than you .
Who need a 7700X and 6750XT for 1080p 60FPS gaming? beside you I think there are barely a handful of people in the world who need nor want those for 1080p 60FPS gaming, my nephew is happy with r5 3600+gtx1060.



Let say there are people who can comfortably afford 1200usd GPU (but not the scalped 4090 at 2000usd+), what choices do we have at this price range? it just leaves 3090Ti, 7900XT, 7900XTX and 4080. Depending on user preferences (playing new games @ 4K + RT), 4080 does make some sense.

There are definitely costlier GPU in history, but some AMD fans here really like to stand on moral high ground, especially when AMD is losing LOL, where were the outcry when r9 295X2 cost 1500usd?

I own a Nvidia gpu and havent used amd discrete for a long time, nothing to do with brand loyalty, not sure why this is bothering you,

 

[nguyen]

I own a Nvidia gpu and havent used amd discrete for a long time, nothing to do with brand loyalty, not sure why this is bothering you,

Everyone has their own circumstances and perspective, but apparently some people here think there is only one way to spend "precious" money, everyone else is wrong .

 

[GhostRyder]

It's the better option performance wise, it's a worse option money-wise and money : performance wise.
If you absolutely need that performance boost - it is what it is. The 7900 XTX just can't handle it.

Its only better performance wise if your concern is Ray Tracing is what I am saying. Overall on average the RX 7900 XTX is slightly faster depending on resolution and cheaper except when Ray Tracing is tested (And even then it at least seems to match the 3090 ti from last round in ray tracing performance).

Not to mention the aftermarket variants of the RX 7900 XTX seem to show great performance improvements with overclocking compared to the RTX 4080. Which adds another layer of value depending on the user if they want to push it (Or buy the high end ones already pre-overclocked).

At the end I am not gonna defend AMD and say the RX 7900 XTX is the most amazing card ever, truth be told its a let down compared to the 6900XT and 6950XT from last round. But I will say its still the better option compared to the RTX 4080 unless your only concern is Ray Tracing max performance which it beats the 7900 XTX by somewhere around 15% overall.

 

[chrcoluk]

Everyone has their own circumstances and perspective, but apparently some people here think there is only one way to spend "precious" money, everyone else is wrong .
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I havent seen that been said, just personal perspectives been given. But you did go in a bit heavy with your comment so some comeback was expected. I couldnt care less if you buy a 4080.

 

[ThrashZone]

I havent seen that been said, just personal perspectives been given. But you did go in a bit heavy with your comment so some comeback was expected. I couldnt care less if you buy a 4080.

Hi,
I'd add buying an even more expensive asus 4090 tuf.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Mark my words, the 4080 will sink in price in due time. Look to 3-6 months and $799-899. Reason is Nvidia is locked into a massive pre-paid contract with TSMC which they cant back out of. They can delay it for maybe a quarter or so, but they will end up with a massive influx of inventory that will be hard to move without cutting prices significantly. Not much stock now, but it will be coming out of their ears in due time.

Older tech will sink in price as it becomes older and stock increases... Shocking claim...

 

[Omga4000]

Surprising, 4090 is widely available in the UK and pretty much always has been from what I've seen. Scan and OCUK have them from £1750 ish including UK 20% VAT.

Is that the MSRP?
Because that's dang expensive.. These are the scalped prices here in the US.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

The business industry is ruthless.

Indeed but some companies are way worse than others and me personally speak with my money, which is also attached to my moral compass and that compass seems to match whatever went thru the likes of Apple, Sony, MS (to a point), EVGA, Linus Torvalds and others about what they think about Nvidia.

And quoting Linus Torvalds:

 

[mb194dc]

Is that the MSRP?
Because that's dang expensive.. These are the scalped prices here in the US.

Yes it's expensive, price of the PNY card is meant to be $1600 + Tax I think, so the price is about £150 over what it "should" cost.

 

[Vayra86]

But the argument that Ray Tracing makes the RTX 4080 the better option is kind of weak. I mean, lets be frank here, ray tracing kills performance to abysmal numbers with right now in the games that really make serious use of it and only the 4090 able to do it reasonably well as even the 4080 struggles. Yes theres DLSS and that makes a decent difference when combined but even with the roster of (I am going off Nvidia's website for this info) 250 games/apps that support it, the games that really take advantage suffer huge performance losses. If thats all you want then the 4090 is going to be the option you want to go for but that costs $1600.

Too me, I am on the page that the 7900 XTX is not what I was hoping for performance wise overall (Actually more disappointed by the 7900 XT if I am being honest), but I personally think teh 7900 XTX is the better value overall at the price its at. Does not make it a bargain and unfortunately does not make a price drop on the 4080 likely but I think its the better choice of the two at the moment.

Absolutely. Well said.

Well if you can't tell by now, you are being ignored for being a massive hypocrite.
The hypocrisy here is that you also wasted lots of money on frivolous hardwares, yet you claim the moral high ground against people who waste more money than you .
Who need a 7700X and 6750XT for 1080p 60FPS gaming? beside you I think there are barely a handful of people in the world who need nor want those for 1080p 60FPS gaming, my nephew is happy with r5 3600+gtx1060.



Let say there are people who can comfortably afford 1200usd GPU (but not the scalped 4090 at 2000usd+), what choices do we have at this price range? it just leaves 3090Ti, 7900XT, 7900XTX and 4080. Depending on user preferences (playing new games @ 4K + RT), 4080 does make some sense.

There are definitely costlier GPU in history, but some AMD fans here really like to stand on moral high ground, especially when AMD is losing LOL, where were the outcry when r9 295X2 cost 1500usd?

Honestly, I can't disagree with you here, as much as I can in other occasions

It kind of aligns with what I keep saying about video cards in general. They're luxury goods. I totally get people want to blow a lot of money on that as a hobby. I guess I'm mostly just staggered at how far people are willing to go for a bit of performance or a feature. And at the same time, I feel the urge to upgrade too But... the 'you're getting ripped off' -feeling is still stronger in the current offerings, tbh.

 

[AusWolf]

Everyone has their own circumstances and perspective, but apparently some people here think there is only one way to spend "precious" money, everyone else is wrong .
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I guess you didn't get the message.

There's nothing wrong with the way you spend your money. Heck, buy a million USD limited edition Ferrari and be happy with it, all the power to you, really. Just don't rub it into Camry owners' faces that you're so much better than them because you throw money away on luxury items. Your attitude offends people, not your spending habits.

In short: buy what you want, just don't be a d*ck.

 

[wolf]

Everyone has their own circumstances and perspective, but apparently some people here think there is only one way to spend "precious" money, everyone else is wrong .

It being denied but I've definitely felt that sentiment on these forums.

As for the 4080 now, this is a worrying generation, 4090 running away at the top end unchallenged, nothing disruptive enough happening in the $900-1200 range to have either camp alter prices.. worrying for people who don't want to spend crazy money. Nvidia have struck gold with Ada+TSMC in terms of clocks and efficiency, so I think as we go down lower in the stack and even laptop parts, Nvidia will run away with it again imo.

Keen to see the 7900 series after some driver bugs get ironed out and perhaps some games where perf is essentially broken need to be fixed. I think they may have actually gotten bigger gen on gen RT gains this cycle too.

 

[eidairaman1]

Well if you can't tell by now, you are being ignored for being a massive hypocrite.
The hypocrisy here is that you also wasted lots of money on frivolous hardwares, yet you claim the moral high ground against people who waste more money than you .
Who need a 7700X and 6750XT for 1080p 60FPS gaming? beside you I think there are barely a handful of people in the world who need nor want those for 1080p 60FPS gaming, my nephew is happy with r5 3600+gtx1060.



Let say there are people who can comfortably afford 1200usd GPU (but not the scalped 4090 at 2000usd+), what choices do we have at this price range? it just leaves 3090Ti, 7900XT, 7900XTX and 4080. Depending on user preferences (playing new games @ 4K + RT), 4080 does make some sense.

There are definitely costlier GPU in history, but some AMD fans here really like to stand on moral high ground, especially when AMD is losing LOL, where were the outcry when r9 295X2 cost 1500usd?

I could spend the money I have on 4 7900XTXs right now with a ThreadRipper Pro and motherboard for it but I don't because I have a life to take care of, also I refuse to spend money over 500 on a Top GPU just for it to be replaced in 2-5 years (I build for longevity).It's the same BS when people buy flagship phones and replace them every 2 years. I have a $216 Motorolla phone that has the features I want and need that a $1200 Samsung phone has but that company's $200+ line doesn't have the features mine has.

Point is I am Frugal with my expenditure.

I'm focused on my 2007 Chevrolet Silverado with 293 CID refreshing the interior and fixing the nose, then increase its duty capability (a 1 Ton duty, Half Ton Truck-wreckerfy it) Why? It's a need and a want.

I guess you didn't get the message.

There's nothing wrong with the way you spend your money. Heck, buy a million USD limited edition Ferrari and be happy with it, all the power to you, really. Just don't rub it into Camry owners' faces that you're so much better than them because you throw money away on luxury items. Your attitude offends people, not your spending habits.

In short: buy what you want, just don't be a d*ck.

I'll write it, don't be a dick.

 

[AusWolf]

I could spend the money I have on 4 7900XTXs right now with a ThreadRipper Pro and motherboard for it but I don't because I have a life to take care of, also I refuse to spend money over 500 on a Top GPU just for it to be replaced in 2-5 years (I build for longevity).It's the same BS when people buy flagship phones and replace them every 2 years. I have a $216 Motorolla phone that has the features I want and need that a $1200 Samsung phone has but that company's $200+ line doesn't have the features mine has.

Like I tend to say to people: "My £180 Samsung can run Messenger and WhatsApp just as fast as your £1,200 one."

I'll write it, don't be a dick.

I wasn't sure if I was going to cross some forum policy or not, but thanks.

 

[nguyen]

It being denied but I've definitely felt that sentiment on these forums.

As for the 4080 now, this is a worrying generation, 4090 running away at the top end unchallenged, nothing disruptive enough happening in the $900-1200 range to have either camp alter prices.. worrying for people who don't want to spend crazy money. Nvidia have struck gold with Ada+TSMC in terms of clocks and efficiency, so I think as we go down lower in the stack and even laptop parts, Nvidia will run away with it again imo.

Keen to see the 7900 series after some driver bugs get ironed out and perhaps some games where perf is essentially broken need to be fixed. I think they may have actually gotten bigger gen on gen RT gains this cycle too.

Hehe, too many people thinking they are better for being frugal on the internet, it get to me sometimes .

What is scary is that Nvidia knew exactly where AMD top chip will end up at, what happened with 3080 10GB wasn't a fluke, Nvidia knew they had to use a 102 die to compete with AMD. Now Nvidia knew they only need AD103 chip to compete with AMD top dog.

It's pretty much over for this gen when AMD can't even compete on rasterization, which is the only thing AMD is good at. Perhaps AMD will be competitive next gen that will force Nvidia to use 102 die to compete at <1000usd price range.

I could spend the money I have on 4 7900XTXs right now with a ThreadRipper Pro and motherboard for it but I don't because I have a life to take care of, also I refuse to spend money over 500 on a Top GPU just for it to be replaced in 2-5 years (I build for longevity).It's the same BS when people buy flagship phones and replace them every 2 years. I have a $216 Motorolla phone that has the features I want and need that a $1200 Samsung phone has but that company's $200+ line doesn't have the features mine has.

Point is I am Frugal with my expenditure.

I'm focused on my 2007 Chevrolet Silverado with 293 CID refreshing the interior and fixing the nose, then increase its duty capability (a 1 Ton duty, Half Ton Truck-wreckerfy it) Why? It's a need and a want.


I'll write it, don't be a dick.

I'll write it, don't be a dick and expect others to be nice.

I will be frank with you, people can buy things they can't afford, your situation mean you can't afford them. I can safely say that I can afford buying new PC every 2 years or less. I still have 2 PCs with custom watercooled 2080Ti and 3090 that I don't know what to do with them.

 

[AusWolf]

Hehe, too many people thinking they are better for being frugal on the internet, it get to me sometimes .

One more time: nobody has an issue with your spending habits. Your attitude is the problem. Read comments before you reply next time.

What is scary is that Nvidia knew exactly where AMD top chip will end up at, what happened with 3080 10GB wasn't a fluke, Nvidia knew they had to use a 102 die to compete with AMD. Now Nvidia knew they only need AD103 chip to compete with AMD top dog.

It's pretty much over for this gen when AMD can't even compete on rasterization, which is the only thing AMD is good at. Perhaps AMD will be competitive next gen that will force Nvidia to use 102 die to compete at <1000usd price range.

I'd rephrase that.

I'll write it, don't be a dick and expect others to be nice.

I will be frank with you, people can buy things they can't afford, your situation mean you can't afford them. I can safely say that I can afford buying new PC every 2 years or less. I still have 2 PCs with custom watercooled 2080Ti and 3090 that I don't know what to do with them.

There you go, being a dick again. Not everything in life is about money, spending and luxury, you know. Not buying something does not mean that one can't afford it.

Edit: Making assumptions about people's (financial) situation purely based on them not owning something that you do isn't only wrong, but also rude as f**k. You have no right to make those assumptions.

Let's turn this around. Do you own a sports car? Well, I do, so if you don't, I guess you're just poor. See what I mean?

 

[nguyen]

people have voted with their wallet, 4080 is the best selling GPU at Newegg

 

[Chomiq]

people have voted with their wallet, 4080 is the best selling GPU at Newegg
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That's before or after they announced "no returns" policy?

 

[wolf]

Hehe, too many people thinking they are better for being frugal on the internet, it get to me sometimes .

I really feel this because I've been a GPU addict for a good 2 decades or more. many a time I marched into a store day 1 and forked over big coin for the best GPU on offer. Times have changed with online buying but people haven't.

Yeah this hobby isn't exactly cheap, but honestly its relatively cheap. I marched into a retailer and bough a 6800 Ultra day 1 (a time honored tradition for me), that was 499 USD in 2004! which was if memory serves $899 AUD, a hell of a lot of money for 17 year old me. But it was just one paycheck at the time. Todays equivalent would be 2-3 paychecks, but arguably you get a LOT more for the money.

I don't want to begrudge budget gamers budget GFX cards, and tbh that market has been pretty shit for a good 4-5 years now, but high end buying isn't exactly for the rich only when gaming is your #1 hobby. Try owning a project car...or a home that needs repairs... I am prepared to be heavily flamed for this opinion.

What is scary is that Nvidia knew exactly where AMD top chip will end up at, what happened with 3080 10GB wasn't a fluke, Nvidia knew they had to use a 102 die to compete with AMD. Now Nvidia knew they only need AD103 chip to compete with AMD top dog.
It's pretty much over for this gen when AMD can't even compete on rasterization, which is the only thing AMD is good at. Perhaps AMD will be competitive next gen that will force Nvidia to use 102 die to compete at <1000usd price range.

Its a cool and scary thought at the same time, I feel like Ada on "N4" for Nvidia is a crazy combo and they have so much efficiency/clockspeed/top tier silicon up their sleeve, within reason it doesn't matter what AMD do, they have an answer, which is awesome and cooked and the same time lol.

 

[Bomby569]

people have voted with their wallet, 4080 is the best selling GPU at Newegg
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holly shit those prices, from 4080/4090 to that 3060. The world is full of idiots ready to be parted with their money, no wonder companies do this, i'm sorry it's the truth

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I really feel this because I've been a GPU addict for a good 2 decades or more. many a time I marched into a store day 1 and forked over big coin for the best GPU on offer. Times have changed with online buying but people haven't.

Yeah this hobby isn't exactly cheap, but honestly its relatively cheap. I marched into a retailer and bough a 6800 Ultra day 1 (a time honored tradition for me), that was 499 USD in 2004! which was if memory serves $899 AUD, a hell of a lot of money for 17 year old me. But it was just one paycheck at the time. Todays equivalent would be 2-3 paychecks, but arguably you get a LOT more for the money.

I don't want to begrudge budget gamers budget GFX cards, and tbh that market has been pretty shit for a good 4-5 years now, but high end buying isn't exactly for the rich only when gaming is your #1 hobby. Try owning a project car...or a home that needs repairs... I am prepared to be heavily flamed for this opinion.

Its a cool and scary thought at the same time, I feel like Ada on "N4" for Nvidia is a crazy combo and they have so much efficiency/clockspeed/top tier silicon up their sleeve, within reason it doesn't matter what AMD do, they have an answer, which is awesome and cooked and the same time lol.

First you do you but be real your still just getting one GPU you then realistically have to put in a similarly priced pc to play games, at a higher fidelity and FPS.

So quit making it sound like your card makes brews n shit, it's just a GPU.

Second your type is the reason the budget market is still shit, if people keep paying they'll keep making.


Third people like you and the main troll on this thread who hasn't even got a 4080 are lining the market up to be just how Huang wants it, then you'll pay, with one GPU maker your going to need some overtime.


As for where this ends, without new blood, without budget gamers the phone market, consoles and cloud will eventually rid you of your toy's and we're talking about possibly within 10 years IMHO.

So Lapp it up ladies, Epean away, your time is numbered( not a threat per say I mean as an Epean gamer), go you.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I think at this point after 15 pages that the dead horse has been flogged to death several times and therefore I am going to close it down and in doing so thank everyone for their contributions.