Windows 10 2004 Could Come Out in May

[trparky]

Hey guys, that's right you @rtwjunkie, @u2konline, and @xtreemchaos. You guys can relax, the control panel isn't going away. @windwhirl has posted screenshots indicating that it's there. Calm down, nothing to see here folks, move along.

Windows might be called Windows 365 when it moves to a subscription model.

Well there is talk about a new subscription product called Microsoft 365 but that's got nothing to do with Windows 10. It's basically Office 365 renamed to Microsoft 365. See more details by reading this article here. There is no such talk about Windows being a subscription model as of late and there's no indication that Microsoft is even thinking about doing that. Even if they did, they'd see such huge backlash about it that they'd be forced to retract it. I can guarantee you that!

Oh and how about adding an SSD cache and deferred writes. SSD cache, which would place a copy of frequently used files from slower HDDs onto the SSD cache (especially useful for games). Deferred writes, which would use system memory / SSD to accelerate write operations.

I doubt that would happen, companies like Primocache would raise a stink like none other.

 

[Berfs1]

Because it was designed to be released in the 4the month of 2020. Others were the same: 1909, 1903, 1809, etc.

oh right... BRUH I REALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS SOME SPECIAL EDITION OF WINDOWS 10 FOR A SECOND LOOOL

What's remarkable is that we have gone over 4.5 years since the release of Windows 10 without even a rumor of the next version of Windows. I'm guessing that Windows 10 will be the last with a number version as MS will move to a subscription model and just call it Windows from then on.

Edit: Windows might be called Windows 365 when it moves to a subscription model.

I really don't understand the point of a subscription-based OPERATING SYSTEM like why the hell is Microsoft even implementing that? That is so backwards and so stupid...

 

[xtreemchaos]

You guys can relax,

thanks heavens, i nearly had to roll a fat one then

 

[SL2]

Microsoft could release the next major update to Windows 10, aka 2004, in May as the Windows 10 May 2020 Update (build 19041.173).

I find that hard to believe, defrag/trim still doesn't work in this version.

[DISCUSSION] Windows 10 Final Build 19041>>>19045 (PC) [20H1>>>22H2 vb_release]

That's not even a warning, it's information (one level below). Anyway, you should ignore all logged ESENT messages, as advised by Microsoft themselves....

forums.mydigitallife.net

 

[trparky]

I find that hard to believe, defrag/trim still doesn't work in this version.

Wait. What?

 

[Daven]

I really don't understand the point of a subscription-based OPERATING SYSTEM like why the hell is Microsoft even implementing that? That is so backwards and so stupid...

It's how MS can keep all PCs up to date without owning the hardware/software like Apple. You get the base OS with free security updates and then you can subscribe to get more. Subscription tiers can include OS features and programs like Office. MS never wants to go back to the days where it takes decades to get the grand majority of users off the OS versions of yesteryear with all their security flaws.

Well there is talk about a new subscription product called Microsoft 365 but that's got nothing to do with Windows 10. It's basically Office 365 renamed to Microsoft 365. See more details by reading this article here. There is no such talk about Windows being a subscription model as of late and there's no indication that Microsoft is even thinking about doing that. Even if they did, they'd see such huge backlash about it that they'd be forced to retract it. I can guarantee you that!

I doubt that would happen, companies like Primocache would raise a stink like none other.

A quick internet search for Windows 10 subscription lists dozens of articles talking about a Windows OS based subscription model. Here is a recent one:

Windows 10 about to become a subscription product - Thurrott.com

www.thurrott.com

 

[windwhirl]

The control panel rumor is explained here...

Control Panel isn’t dead yet—but the System applet is looking nervous

It's as if millions of sysadmins cried out and suddenly breathed a sigh of relief.

arstechnica.com

My two cents: It's unlikely that Control Panel will go away completely without making the Settings app reach feature parity first. And that means moving A LOT of things. I don't think we will see that happening in the next two years, unless Microsoft are really that crazy about it, and to be frank I don't think they are.

I find that hard to believe, defrag/trim still doesn't work in this version.

Defrag not working isn't exactly the worst, but TRIM? That's sort of vital for SSDs...

 

[trparky]

A quick internet search for Windows 10 subscription lists dozens of articles talking about a Windows OS based subscription model. Here is a recent one:

Windows 10 about to become a subscription product - Thurrott.com

www.thurrott.com

Some might say that that's a good idea. Some people around here want a base OS with nothing added to it, no added garbage. If you want more, pay up. I, myself, would be willing to pay for a subscription as long as the price is low enough. I already have an Office 365 subscription, so it really doesn't matter to me. The Office suite is just the cherry on top of the 1 TB OneDrive sundae. I use OneDrive quite a bit, it's my offsite backup service and a way to keep files in sync between my desktop, notebook, and my brother's computer.

 

[Lunarianark]

NV driver 450.56

Windows 10 Version 2004 (19041.173)

 

[trparky]

Uh... nope. I wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole. If it doesn't come from Microsoft, don't trust it.

 

[RadeonProVega]

NV driver 450.56

View attachment 151034

Windows 10 Version 2004 (19041.173)

You have to do a fresh install of windows to use that, correct? Also would it removed Enterprise edition, which i am using?
or is best to just wait for the update?

 

[notb]

I had to drop 1803 the other day and move up to 1809. And that is what I'll keep doing, because realistically what you have then is basically an enterprise solution. Most enterprises are on the same release schedule as for when they 'prefer' upgrading - maximum delay, pre empting that end of support date by a month or two.

So I have for you some good and some bad news.

Good news:
No, serious enterprises (also those important to you: your bank, your payment operator, your online storage, your e-mail provider etc) generally don't hold on to old version of Windows for as long as it's possible (like some people on this forum do). Companies roll out the newest and most secure version as soon as possible.

Bad news:
The reason why companies don't update Windows - or any other significant program - as soon as the update is available, is that they have to test it.
Key issue: compatibility with internal systems (including hardware). Performance tests have to follow as well.
And that testing often forces changes in other systems which obviously also take time.

So the bad part is: if your professional experience was that OS updates were done so close to the end of support, it suggests you had very poor IT departments. Because it probably means that they either didn't finish tests or didn't modify other systems on time. And of course if there are production issues after the roll-out, there's no time to fix them.

You have to do a fresh install of windows to use that, correct? Also would it removed Enterprise edition, which i am using?
or is best to just wait for the update?

Don't run installers coming from anonymous file hosting and posted by a forum user who created an account specifically to share them.
Just don't.
Please.

 

[Vayra86]

So I have for you some good and some bad news.

Good news:
No, serious enterprises (also those important to you: your bank, your payment operator, your online storage, your e-mail provider etc) generally don't hold on to old version of Windows for as long as it's possible

Reality:
There is so much work in most serious enterprises that keeping an older Windows version that is still in support is simply a necessity. I work for the 6th largest IT consultancy firm in the world and its the exact same story there as it is in the company (one of the largest bank/insurance firms in the country) I'm now hired at; until recently they still had 1803. If there is no competitive edge, Windows versions are just picked by convenience at the time people are planning it or ready for it

Its usually a process of postponing as long as possible, because a large change like this is always a nuisance.

 

[SL2]

Wait. What?

Yeah I know, I don't have any more info about it. Not really a problem, just wait for a fixed version. If Enthousiast says it's broken, I believe it.

 

[Ferrum Master]

NV driver 450.56

Where did you get it? WUS doesn't give it to anyone.

 

[evernessince]

I doubt that would happen, companies like Primocache would raise a stink like none other.

Companies like primo cache combined don't add up to a fraction of 1% of software sales on windows. To microsoft they are basically irrelevant.

Second, the existence of 3rd party software that adds a feature to windows does not prevent microsoft from adding that feature to their OS. That makes zero sense. Apple clearly wasn't afraid when it added Lux features to it's OS and kicked the app of it's app store.

If Microsoft was never going to add any features to it's OS because a 3rd party already does it, it's operating system would be quickly passed by operating systems that do add features over time.

You know window's virtual desktop feature? That used to be provided by 3rd party software. Same thing as night mode, game mode, and many other features.

 

[trparky]

Second, the existence of 3rd party software that adds a feature to windows does not prevent microsoft from adding that feature to their OS.

But Microsoft has to walk a fine line because of antitrust law.

 

[j0taDasFestasPT]

Hope they restore the performance lost since ‎Windows 10, version 1803

 

[trparky]

Hope they restore the performance lost since ‎Windows 10, version 1803

What performance loss? If anything, the people who should be blamed is Intel for their stupid security flaws.

 

[j0taDasFestasPT]

my pleasure to show you

 

[dyonoctis]

Hey Microsoft how about enabling larger thumbnail sizes as a "feature" already. 256 x 256 (the largest size supported by windows) is tiny on a 4K screen.

Oh and how about adding an SSD cache and deferred writes. SSD cache, which would place a copy of frequently used files from slower HDDs onto the SSD cache (especially useful for games). Deferred writes, which would use system memory / SSD to accelerate write operations.

Apparently windows server can do it : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/storage-spaces/understand-the-cache

 

[R-T-B]

Removing the control panel? That would be a dumb decision, might as not even install the update.

It's also just a rumor and hasn't happened yet.

my pleasure to show you

1909 isn't even relevant to this post, nor are the Intel microcode fixes that caused that.

also those important to you: your bank, your payment operator, your online storage, your e-mail provider etc)

This is why banks took until like 2006 to get off OS/2 2.0 on the majority of ATMs, yeah, sure.

 

[trparky]

my pleasure to show you

A lot of the problems that Windows 10 is having with performance is because of Intel's Swiss cheese security. If it weren't for these microcode patches that have caused performance loss, we wouldn't have anything to complain about. Microsoft has been trying to code around these issues lately but even that hasn't helped to bring back the full performance that we've been robbed of due to Intel's lack of forethought. Five percent loss here, five percent loss there, it adds up; it's incremental.

So no, don't blame Microsoft. Blame Intel. This may sound like some kind of conspiracy, but I have to wonder if all of the performance increases we've seen lately with Intel chips this past five or so years is because Intel was cheating in some way and those cheats are coming back to bite them in the ass.

 

[j0taDasFestasPT]

1909 isn't even relevant to this post, nor are the Intel microcode fixes that caused that.

If it started on 1809 and it still present on 1909 i guess it still be present on 2004 ver.

A lot of the problems that Windows 10 is having with performance is because of Intel's Swiss cheese security. If it weren't for these microcode patches that have caused performance loss, we wouldn't have anything to complain about. Microsoft has been trying to code around these issues lately but even that hasn't helped to bring back the full performance that we've been robbed of due to Intel's lack of forethought. Five percent loss here, five percent loss there, it adds up; it's incremental.

So no, don't blame Microsoft. Blame Intel. This may sound like some kind of conspiracy, but I have to wonder if all of the performance increases we've seen lately with Intel chips this past five or so years is because Intel was cheating in some way and those cheats are coming back to bite them in the ass.

Obvious that you didnt see all the video same tweaks same everything just switched windows versions i think is not related

 

[trparky]

Obvious that you didnt see all the video same tweaks same everything just switched windows versions i think is not related

Yes, I did watch it. Did they mention anything about microcode updates? Microsoft has been pushing microcode updates for Intel processors as part of the Windows Update process. Unless they can state that the microcode revision that's loaded at boot into the processor is the same, I'll have to put the blame on Intel here. There is proof that these microcode updates have resulted in lost performance, it's been discussed here on TechPowerUp.