Windows 12

[Space Lynx]

No. Win 10 can be installed and operated 100% offline. Win11 can be as well, but unofficially.

this is great to know, i am going to create a dedicated offline windows 10 gaming rig. the glory days will be here even 10 years from now, won't need to update drivers either, cause my backlog will prob last me a lifetime at this rate

 

[avidgamer121]

DirectX 13 with unlimited detail technology?

we already have enough minute details ruining optimization

 

[Sunny and 75]

Are you ready for next Windows, Windows 12?

I am always ready for the latest version of the LTSC edition of Windows whether it's 10, 11 (currently using) and the upcoming 12.

Spoiler

Don't expect Win 12 LTSC until well after Series X2 / PS6

 

[Onasi]

People expect Windows 12 to be even worse than Windows 11

Having expectations already for an OS that doesn’t exist and is most likely isn’t even being developed is a new level of tech clickbait. Cool.
Seriously, there is no Windows 12 and probably won’t be for years. MS has JUST created a new kernel for 24H2 and migrated all NT based products to it. It makes zero sense for them to do it just to make ANOTHER new one this soon.

 

[_roman_]

Win11 can be as well, but unofficially.

Last three "offline" windows 11 pro 24h2 update packages did not install without working internet connection on my desktop box. These files can be obtained from computerbase.de/downloads
I do not want to use an unpatched operating system like windows 11 or windows 10.

of course the online update of windows 11 pro needs a working internet connection also.

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I most likely switch to windows 12 when the pro version is still for "free" as the windows 11 pro version was. Assuming I can still install with an offline user and use the operating system 90% of the time with tpm turned off in the uefi with no bitlocker enabled. windows 11 pro refused to the version upgrade without enabled tpm in uefi on my desktop box.

 

[mtosev]

I really wonder when Windows 12 will come out. Guessing not before 2026 or do you people expect it sooner?

 

[Onasi]

@mtosev
There was 6 years between 10 and 11 and essentially the only reason 11 even exists is to somehow salvage the 10X project. It wasn’t even a properly new OS until 24H2 and essentially was just a fancier UI on 10. So no, there is little reason to expect 12 before 2027 or 2028. As I mentioned above, it just wouldn’t make sense. All the “leaks” that pointed to 12 turned out to be just the significant changes in 24H2.

 

[Shrek]

For me the question is: will it be free?

 

[mtosev]

For me the question is: will it be free?

I expect that for users of Windows 11 it will be a free upgrade.

 

[ARF]

I really wonder when Windows 12 will come out. Guessing not before 2026 or do you people expect it sooner?

As soon as possible, in order to fix the screaming issues Windows 11 has, and Microsoft finally to start listening to and hearing the user base in order to build a normal operating system, after feedback and necessary changes in order to make the user interface more usable and friendly.

Windows 12 must be very light - usable and fast on low end systems with Athlon dual-core and 2 GB of RAM.

Windows 11 is extremely RAM demanding, around 100% more than Windows 10.

 

[Shou Miko]

I expect that for users of Windows 11 it will be a free upgrade.

11 is free but for a cost...

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

this is great to know, i am going to create a dedicated offline windows 10 gaming rig. the glory days will be here even 10 years from now, won't need to update drivers either, cause my backlog will prob last me a lifetime at this rate

I'm busy creating a system like that.


Don't know what to do yet

Go offline

or

Go LTSC for some years? Is there a Windows 10 22H2 LTSC? Or mabe IoT if possible for a gaming system?

 

[azrael]

Is there a Windows 10 22H2 LTSC? Or mabe IoT if possible for a gaming system?

There's apparently so little difference between 21H2 and 22H2 that they didn't bother to release a 22H2 LTSC. Personally, I'm going with 21H2 IoT LTSC for my next build, which will hopefully soon happen (full disclosure: it completely depends on me).

 

[W3RN3R]

As soon as possible, in order to fix the screaming issues Windows 11 has, and Microsoft finally to start listening to and hearing the user base in order to build a normal operating system, after feedback and necessary changes in order to make the user interface more usable and friendly.

Windows 12 must be very light - usable and fast on low end systems with Athlon dual-core and 2 GB of RAM.

Windows 11 is extremely RAM demanding, around 100% more than Windows 10.

Something must probably be wrong on your side, Ram usage the same for me, maybe you should do a clean install.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

Windows 12 must be very light - usable and fast on low end systems with Athlon dual-core and 2 GB of RAM.

Is not gonna happen

There's apparantly so little difference between 21H2 and 22H2 that they didn't bother to release a 22H2 LTSC. Personally, I'm going with 21H2 IoT LTSC for my next build, which will hopefully soon happen (full disclosure: it completely depends on me).

IoT LTSC works on normal desktop hardware?

 

[azrael]

IoT LTSC works on normal desktop hardware?

Yup! You just "lose" a lot of the crapware. Bummer, right?

 

[Frick]

As soon as possible, in order to fix the screaming issues Windows 11 has, and Microsoft finally to start listening to and hearing the user base in order to build a normal operating system, after feedback and necessary changes in order to make the user interface more usable and friendly.

Windows 12 must be very light - usable and fast on low end systems with Athlon dual-core and 2 GB of RAM.

Windows 11 is extremely RAM demanding, around 100% more than Windows 10.

It ain't 2015, the corporations have learned they don't even have to pretend to listen to users/customers.

 

[Nathaaab]

IoT LTSC works on normal desktop hardware?

Yes.

 

[Onasi]

IoT LTSC works on normal desktop hardware?

Of course it does. There is no black magic involved, all the editions are the same kernel, the same OS core.

As soon as possible, in order to fix the screaming issues Windows 11 has, and Microsoft finally to start listening to and hearing the user base in order to build a normal operating system, after feedback and necessary changes in order to make the user interface more usable and friendly.

Windows 12 must be very light - usable and fast on low end systems with Athlon dual-core and 2 GB of RAM.

I too enjoy writing tech fanfics in my spare time.

Windows 11 is extremely RAM demanding, around 100% more than Windows 10.

This is absolutely not true, similar 10 and 11 installs on the same hardware have roughly the same memory footprint. Besides, the “muh Windows eats muh RAM” delusion has been going for years and was repeatedly debunked as inane - Windows has an excellent memory manager and it is, in fact, GOOD when it USES RAM. That’s what’s it’s FOR. RAM that is just unused is wasted RAM. Using it for caching and pre-loading is prudent. It will get freed up when there is an application calling for it anyway.

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

Last three "offline" windows 11 pro 24h2 update packages did not install without working internet connection on my desktop box. These files can be obtained from computerbase.de/downloads
I do not want to use an unpatched operating system like windows 11 or windows 10.

of course the online update of windows 11 pro needs a working internet connection also.

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I most likely switch to windows 12 when the pro version is still for "free" as the windows 11 pro version was. Assuming I can still install with an offline user and use the operating system 90% of the time with tpm turned off in the uefi with no bitlocker enabled. windows 11 pro refused to the version upgrade without enabled tpm in uefi on my desktop box.

Why would you specifically turn OFF tpm?

 

[Hecate91]

Microsoft finally to start listening to and hearing the user base in order to build a normal operating system, after feedback and necessary changes in order to make the user interface more usable and friendly.

Microsoft hasn't listened to their customers since the Windows 7 days, MS doesn't care because they treat the consumer like they are the product.

Windows 12 must be very light - usable and fast on low end systems with Athlon dual-core and 2 GB of RAM.

That isn't going to happen, Windows 11 already runs like crap unless the system has at least 8GB of RAM.

Windows 11 is extremely RAM demanding, around 100% more than Windows 10.

100% more? Not so sure about that, but the bloat only gets worse as MS shoves more pre-installed garbage and useless AI on everyone.

 

[R-T-B]

Why would you specifically turn OFF tpm?

Probably because they don't need it, and outside of DRM or encryption it doesn't really offer much in the way of security benefits.

 

[Onasi]

@R-T-B
Technically some anti-cheats too. I seem to remember that you can’t play any of the Riot Vanguard enabled games without TPM nowadays. Other than that, yeah, it’s whatever.

 

[R-T-B]

@R-T-B
Technically some anti-cheats too. I seem to remember that you can’t play any of the Riot Vanguard enabled games without TPM nowadays. Other than that, yeah, it’s whatever.

I kind of mentally file agressive anticheat and DRM in the same "why won't you die?" dumpster, tbh.

 

[ARF]

This is absolutely not true, similar 10 and 11 installs on the same hardware have roughly the same memory footprint. Besides, the “muh Windows eats muh RAM” delusion has been going for years and was repeatedly debunked as inane - Windows has an excellent memory manager and it is, in fact, GOOD when it USES RAM. That’s what’s it’s FOR. RAM that is just unused is wasted RAM. Using it for caching and pre-loading is prudent. It will get freed up when there is an application calling for it anyway.

Microsoft hasn't listened to their customers since the Windows 7 days, MS doesn't care because they treat the consumer like they are the product.

That isn't going to happen, Windows 11 already runs like crap unless the system has at least 8GB of RAM.

100% more? Not so sure about that, but the bloat only gets worse as MS shoves more pre-installed garbage and useless AI on everyone.

I can compare two systems:
1. Windows 10 machine. With 14.8 GB of RAM - it idles, loads to Windows screen at 1.9 GB used.
2. Windows 11 machine. With 23.6 GB of RAM - it idles, loads to Windows screen at between 3.9 and 4.4 GB used..

This is not only because it detects more RAM, but because of the difference in the operating systems.

A single browser tab uses 5.5 GB.
I agree that RAM must be used, but it doesn't do anything in order to justify so much resources wasted.