Windows 7 thread!

[frankie827]

ok so basically ive always wanted to start one of these huge threads. so i thought hmmm...windows 7? so here we go actually there may be another one of these threads and i just dont know about it lol

what do you all think about windows 7? is it going to be a flop or a success? is it going to be like vista? or better?


just voice your opinions here
cheers

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
Windows 7 security changes examined
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15809
Tidbits about the new “superbar” taskbar
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20081031/tidbits-about-the-new-superbar-taskbar/#more-3253
Microsoft shows Windows 7 to the world
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15789
First look at Windows 7's User Interface
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081028-first-look-at-windows-7.html
Introducing the Windows 7 UI
http://neowin.net/news/live/08/10/28/introducing-the-windows-7-ui
Windows 7, or Vista Second Edition?
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15810
Windows 7's new taskbar goes under the spotlight *NEW*
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15827
Microsoft to tune Windows 7 for SSD performance *NEW*
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15838

 

[farlex85]

There are many threads on windows 7, use the search. But yeah, considering how much crap microsoft got/gets for vista I'm presuming they will do their best to make this steady and well-rounded os at the outset. It's really too early to tell just how they'll go about that though.

 

[95Viper]

I vote for bloated code. Vista with touch features, more mobile features and a tweak here and there. Oh and hide a few things so we have to find it again.

The sure ain't going to trash all that code to write something new.

But, I'll wait and see.

 

[erocker]

You should ask some people who are using it.

 

[frankie827]

There are many threads on windows 7, use the search.

haha i did that
but its like "search did not include 7" so i had like tons of pages to go through, so i just gave up and decided that it would be better to feel like an idiot and have someone tell me theres already a thread than to take all that time

 

[farlex85]

Well, I suppose that's one thing people will argue over. I do indeed hope windows 7 is more "bloated" than vista. I don't know why people keep wanting stripped down os's, you can disable to your hearts content, or just use linux or something. Hardware gets more powerful, so does the software. Vista>XP>2000>98>ect ect as far as "bloated" goes. Same w/ games and all other software. I prefer to call it features.

 

[frankie827]

You should ask some people who are using it.

im really hoping i can get my hands on the beta

i had vista rc1 and i loved that
first one in my whole school with vista i felt awesome...although i was a freshman in highschool..so everything was awesome!

 

[frankie827]

Well, I suppose that's one thing people will argue over. I do indeed hope windows 7 is more "bloated" than vista. I don't know why people keep wanting stripped down os's, you can disable to your hearts content, or just use linux or something. Hardware gets more powerful, so does the software. Vista>XP>2000>98>ect ect as far as "bloated" goes. Same w/ games and all other software. I prefer to call it features.

true...when i read that they were going to strip out programs like mail, i was was like

i mean if you couldnt run vista when it came out ...it was really time for a new pc anyways

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

There are many threads on windows 7, use the search. But yeah, considering how much crap microsoft got/gets for vista I'm presuming they will do their best to make this steady and well-rounded os at the outset. It's really too early to tell just how they'll go about that though.

Got one right here that I made.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=72219&highlight=Unofficial+Windows

 

[Kreij]

I'm with farlex on this. I want features. I don't really care how it looks.
I've got a ton of disk space and ample memory.

The more the OS does for me the better.
I am quite pleased with Vista. It has made things much easier for me.

 

[frankie827]

i really hate the people who are all like vista sucks vista sucks...and then theyve never tried it

im glad microsoft finally realized that that was turning off buyers and put out the "mojave" ad

 

[frankie827]

I'm with farlex on this. I want features. I don't really care how it looks.
I've got a ton of disk space and ample memory.

The more the OS does for me the better.
I am quite pleased with Vista. It has made things much easier for me.

yes...vista is great! it has everything i needed and everything seemed to be in a better place than in xp.
they should really have it so that when you install it, you can choose which built in features you want. kinda like that install screen for windows live messenger

 

[Fastmix]

Even if it was the greatest OS ever, most of the people are going to say that it sucks because they don't want to spend the money to upgrade.

 

[Kreij]

LOL ... what kills me is how short people's memories have become.
Vista has problems (mostly driver related).
XP had problems (It was a nightmare before SP1 and did not really shine until SP2)
W2000 had problems (Not bad by SP4)
NT had problems which again had to be addressed by SPs
ME was just an abomination
98 tried to fix 95 and did okay, but still had problems.
95 was a crap shoot on reliability.

When you are writing an operating system with a tens of millions of lines of code there are going to be problems.

 

[IggSter]

Here is my take on what Microsoft will have to do (for starters) to make Windows 7 a must have O/S:

1. A complete revamp of the GUI. The Win95 GUI has basically been carried over into XP and Vista with a few "look nice" addons such as embeded html/3D.

2. Completely remove all integrated legacy support for all hardware/software pre 2005 (this will remove a lot of bloat and make the 1st release far more stable)

3. Completely unbundle all "Windows" applications...no calculator, no IE, no media players, no paint no nothing thankyou.

4. Limit the number of Windows 7 packages available...i.e one!

5. Implement a software repositry (think linux) for users to add/buy needed applications (IE, FF, media players etc)

6. Implement a core s/w kernal that will allow drivers to be loaded/unloaded without needing a reboot (think Novell NLMs)

7. Kill the registry and then burn it and then jump up on down on it!

8. Allow users to configure where they want their personal and application data to be stored. I really hate having applications creating directories in my docs, app data, program files etc etc.

/rant over

 

[Disparia]

I hope they keep (or keep closer) to their promises this time around.

While I use and like Vista on my personal home machine, I have no plans to deploy it at my company. Have too many 1GB/single-core workstations that run XP very well.

 

[IggSter]

LOL ... what kills me is how short people's memories have become.
Vista has problems (mostly driver related).
XP had problems (It was a nightmare before SP1 and did not really shine until SP2)
W2000 had problems (Not bad by SP4)
NT had problems which again had to be addressed by SPs
ME was just an abomination
98 tried to fix 95 and did okay, but still had problems.
95 was a crap shoot on reliability.

When you are writing an operating system with a tens of millions of lines of code there are going to be problems.

I agree with you 110%

This is solely down to microsoft trying to be all things to all men (women)

They need to produce an O/S which does one thing....operates your system! Then allow the user to add/configure the components (Microsoft or not) that they require.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I have a windows 7 6801.0.080913-2030_Client_en-us_ULTIMATE-ULTIMATE_GB1CFRE_EN_DVD iso to test.Next time i need to reinstall i will try it and post in this thread.

 

[Kreij]

I agree with you 110%

This is solely down to microsoft trying to be all things to all men (women)

They need to produce an O/S which does one thing....operates your system! Then allow the user to add/configure the components (Microsoft or not) that they require.

While that is a nice thought, you have to remember that there are a jillion poeple out ther who buy computers and just want them to do everything they want.
They do not want to have to load more stuff or remove unwanted stuff. They just want to have the whole palette of options in front of them when they start their computer.
We on TPU who like to tweak everything are not the majority.

 

[IggSter]

Again, I totally agree Kreji...I'm not suggesting that Microsoft should make people jump thought hoops backwards to get what they want, but they do need to drastically streamline what they build into the O/S.

I see no problem in have a "basic" install option which includes only the stuff required to make your hardware work. Then by all means have a "Ultimate" install option which installs all the usual (sub standard imho) Windows applications.

Even fairly inexperienced Windows users will invariably install another flavour of web browser/media player/Notepad/firewall etc etc...All im asking for is the ability to "easily" choose via a central s/w repositry.

 

[Kursah]

Well, I suppose that's one thing people will argue over. I do indeed hope windows 7 is more "bloated" than vista. I don't know why people keep wanting stripped down os's, you can disable to your hearts content, or just use linux or something. Hardware gets more powerful, so does the software. Vista>XP>2000>98>ect ect as far as "bloated" goes. Same w/ games and all other software. I prefer to call it features.

I totally agree with ya, sure they can always optimize too, but use the damn hardware that we have. Give us some cool stuff to play with and use, give us useful tools, I wouldn't mind even more 3D GUI stuff. My gaming performance rocks in Vista x64, and if 7 is a major improvement on Vista, XP will be history for many. Features, options, and choice should all be considered, hell they can have a stripped down version for install if they wanted to, I don't think they will just to ensure the OS is compatable with all the different hardware, components and add-on crap out there.

Sure some won't ever give up XP, some still run 95-98, but those that want the new goodies gotta play the new game. Looking forward to 7 for sure!

 

[Lillebror]

Here is my take on what Microsoft will have to do (for starters) to make Windows 7 a must have O/S:

1. A complete revamp of the GUI. The Win95 GUI has basically been carried over into XP and Vista with a few "look nice" addons such as embeded html/3D.

2. Completely remove all integrated legacy support for all hardware/software pre 2005 (this will remove a lot of bloat and make the 1st release far more stable)

3. Completely unbundle all "Windows" applications...no calculator, no IE, no media players, no paint no nothing thankyou.

4. Limit the number of Windows 7 packages available...i.e one!

5. Implement a software repositry (think linux) for users to add/buy needed applications (IE, FF, media players etc)

6. Implement a core s/w kernal that will allow drivers to be loaded/unloaded without needing a reboot (think Novell NLMs)

7. Kill the registry and then burn it and then jump up on down on it!

8. Allow users to configure where they want their personal and application data to be stored. I really hate having applications creating directories in my docs, app data, program files etc etc.

/rant over

1. If it works, why try fixing it?

2. Just imagine how many thats gonna yell "ARRR!! IT SUCKS! IT DOSENT HAVE DRIVERS FOR MY <inset printer\anything beyond 2005>"

3. Why do that? Stuff like paint, notepad, calculator and media player is something i would expect from a os made after 2000

6. Thats partly implemented in vista sp1

7. That means that all programs have to be re written

8. Thats called "User friendly" - most users dosent need to know where it saves stuff, just that the stuff is saved

--

Anyway - Win 7 is really really fast :O Runs perfect on my old p4 3.0 with ht and 1 gig ram!

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Here is my take on what Microsoft will have to do (for starters) to make Windows 7 a must have O/S:

1. A complete revamp of the GUI. The Win95 GUI has basically been carried over into XP and Vista with a few "look nice" addons such as embeded html/3D.

2. Completely remove all integrated legacy support for all hardware/software pre 2005 (this will remove a lot of bloat and make the 1st release far more stable)

3. Completely unbundle all "Windows" applications...no calculator, no IE, no media players, no paint no nothing thankyou.

4. Limit the number of Windows 7 packages available...i.e one!

5. Implement a software repositry (think linux) for users to add/buy needed applications (IE, FF, media players etc)

6. Implement a core s/w kernal that will allow drivers to be loaded/unloaded without needing a reboot (think Novell NLMs)

7. Kill the registry and then burn it and then jump up on down on it!

8. Allow users to configure where they want their personal and application data to be stored. I really hate having applications creating directories in my docs, app data, program files etc etc.

/rant over

1. They are. More than one GUI I believe.

2. I agree. Ive said that since they were working on Vista.

3. I disagree on IE at the very least. How are you going to get online to get a different browser? Not many people are going to have it on a flash drive.

4. One if not 3. One for Home users, one for Businesses, and one geared specifically for GAMERS.

5. Why buy needed apps like FF and media players when they are already free?

6. Would be great to see that.

7. And use what instead?

8. I dont care as long as its standard and I know how to find it easily. One reason I hate linux is because I have to create/do everything myself when I want it to be done in seconds by the OS.


Edit:

1. If it works, why try fixing it?

2. Just imagine how many thats gonna yell "ARRR!! IT SUCKS! IT DOSENT HAVE DRIVERS FOR MY <inset printer\anything beyond 2005>"

3. Why do that? Stuff like paint, notepad, calculator and media player is something i would expect from a os made after 2000

6. Thats partly implemented in vista sp1

7. That means that all programs have to be re written

8. Thats called "User friendly" - most users dosent need to know where it saves stuff, just that the stuff is saved

--

Anyway - Win 7 is really really fast :O Runs perfect on my old p4 3.0 with ht and 1 gig ram!

1. Its old and we need something fresh.

2. Then they need to learn to get with the times and update their crap. Kill the legacy shit.

3. WMP can be had online. Even a 64 bit version.

6. Why not fully?

7. Agreed and goes back to my "replace it with what" question.

8. Also agree. See my number 8.

 

[IggSter]

1. If it works, why try fixing it?

Because "it just works" is losing market share to OSX and Linux....Miscrosoft need to step up!

2. Just imagine how many thats gonna yell "ARRR!! IT SUCKS! IT DOSENT HAVE DRIVERS FOR MY <inset printer\anything beyond 2005>"

That imho is down to the manufacturer of whatever device you want to work, again a software repositry would address this

3. Why do that? Stuff like paint, notepad, calculator and media player is something i would expect from a os made after 2000

Im sorry but there are FAR better free alternatives out there, why not use them?

6. Thats partly implemented in vista sp1

It need to be completly implemented is my point

7. That means that all programs have to be re written

Not really, I have the same applications running on Windows and Ubuntu and yes there are differences in the method of compliling but a re-write is not needed

8. Thats called "User friendly" - most users dosent need to know where it saves stuff, just that the stuff is saved

I agree, but all i want is the option to have data saved where i want it, not buried 15 directories down in a hidden folder

1. They are. More than one GUI I believe.



2. I agree. Ive said that since they were working on Vista.



3. I disagree on IE at the very least. How are you going to get online to get a different browser? Not many people are going to have it on a flash drive.

This is where i believe a software repositry will be invaluable

4. One if not 3. One for Home users, one for Businesses, and one geared specifically for GAMERS.

I concede your point, but at the core I beleive these all should be the same OS with repositry items added (probably at a cost to keep Microsoft share prices high

5. Why buy needed apps like FF and media players when they are already free?

Sorry, I did not mean you pay for already free applications, but what about Photoshop, Virus scanners, demo then pay etc

6. Would be great to see that.



7. And use what instead?

to be honest, a piece of paper and a pencil would be better

8. I dont care as long as its standard and I know how to find it easily. One reason I hate linux is because I have to create/do everything myself when I want it to be done in seconds by the OS.

I totally agree on the linux front...it can be very painful and soul destroying....my gripe with windows is: I install an app to program files\appname....no problem, but Windows also dumps stuff to my registry which it does not tell me about, more files to my docs\appname and even more to \Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application Data\appname....why can't i specify c:\data\appname and at least have some visibility and be able to backup these files in one go!

 

[frankie827]

I hope they keep (or keep closer) to their promises this time around.

While I use and like Vista on my personal home machine, I have no plans to deploy it at my company. Have too many 1GB/single-core workstations that run XP very well.

my old single core laptop with 1gb of ram ran vista ultimate perfectly! although it did have an x300 lol