Windows hidden Ultimate Performance power plan

[ARF]

One is pushing the CPU to a higher temperature

I agree, this mode will make modern CPUs slower by messing up boost.

You don't get higher temperatures with lower clocks. The logic is messed up.

For some reason, the Ryzen balanced power plan is no longer available?!

 

[Shrek]

You don't get higher temperatures with lower clocks. The logic is messed up.

One gets

• higher temperature with faster clocks
• lower temperature with slower clocks

so, one does not want to keep the clock high if not needed.

 

[chrcoluk]

That is not true for Intel CPUs. The Windows Ultimate performance power plan does not prevent boost clocks and it does not prevent the C states from working. You can have a cool running and fast CPU when the C states are enabled even when the CPU is running at full speed when lightly loaded. Good idle temperatures too.

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Pretty much true, the idle power is a bit higher, but its not crazy high, I got from about 2-3w package power idle to about 10-11w idle if min clock speed is 100%.

What will murder idle power though is you disable c-states completely, which can be done in the power schema (and I guess in throttlestop as well), I have managed to get idle around 100w. This is with C0 locked, not even C1. I also confirm turbo clocks work fine as well, even the extra 100mhz for the 2 best cores.

 

[ARF]

One gets

• higher temperature with faster clocks
• lower temperature with slower clocks

so, one does not want to keep the clock high if not needed.

It doesn't work like that.
Faster clocks mean faster job done, which can mean the CPU has no time to reach higher temperatures.

But anyways, this has no connection with the current topic at hand. It's all your made up speculation.

 

[unclewebb]

and min processor state is set to 100%

Both the Ultimate Performance power plan and the High Performance power plan set the Minimum processor state to 100%. There is no difference there. I prefer to run my CPU at a constant 5000 MHz rain or shine, full load, idle or anywhere in between. As long as the low power C states are enabled, the difference in power consumption as measured at the wall is minimal when comparing the Balanced power plan to either the Ultimate or High Performance power plans.

You can use HWiNFO to monitor C state activity. As long as the C states are enabled in the BIOS, they should work in any of the default Windows power plans including the Ultimate Performance power plan.

I also confirm turbo clocks work fine as well, even the extra 100mhz for the 2 best cores.

I have not done any turbo boost 3.0 testing. Thanks for confirming that.

What will murder idle power though is you disable c-states completely

That is definitely true. With all of the C states disabled including C1, power consumption of my idle CPU is up over 125 Watts and the idle core temperatures are up almost 30°C.

 

[InVasMani]

It doesn't matter too much which you pick if you change plan settings manually. It's pretty much just a preset template with setting to idle more for power savings or not idle for performance and somewhere in between depending on what you select. If you really want control over it manually go thru the options adjust them to personal preference. I performance and manually adjust the stuff I need or want to change as necessary. Generally the only things I change are processor state minimum, the display time out period, and disk drive time out period. If it's a fresh windows install it's good idea to go thru the options though. Boost is kind of a trade off do you want higher sustained MT or more intermittent peak ST at the expense of maybe a bit of MT within temperature and power limits.

 

[A Computer Guy]

You don't get higher temperatures with lower clocks. The logic is messed up.

For some reason, the Ryzen balanced power plan is no longer available?!

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I think that plan was removed when Zen3 came around.

 

[eidairaman1]

One gets

• higher temperature with faster clocks
• lower temperature with slower clocks

so, one does not want to keep the clock high if not needed.

Also higher temperatures when more voltage is applied or current draw is higher

 

[InVasMani]

I think that plan was removed when Zen3 came around.

I think it might've been a MS power toy plan.

 

[R-T-B]

I think that plan was removed when Zen3 came around.

It's still on my primary system, but it's running 2024 IoT so who the hell knows.

 

[ARF]

I think that plan was removed when Zen3 came around.

It's up and running.

 

[A Computer Guy]

It's up and running.

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I think once you have it installed it will stay there but new Installs won't have it. All of my fresh reinstallations after Zen3 no longer have Ryzen Power plan installed so I'm guessing AMD drivers no longer install it.

 

[ARF]

I think once you have it installed it will stay there but new Installs won't have it. All of my fresh reinstallations after Zen3 no longer have Ryzen Power plan installed so I'm guessing AMD drivers no longer install it.

Nope, this is on a new fresh installation done several days ago. Obviously, the variable is which CPU and chipset drivers it works along. That is a Ryzen 5 4500.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Nope, this is on a new fresh installation done several days ago. Obviously, the variable is which CPU and chipset drivers it works along. That is a Ryzen 5 4500.

Makes sense. 4500 is Zen2.