Windows is removing customization, and replacing it with simplicity

[claes]

Seems to me the OP’s framing is backwards. If the sound card isn’t compatible with W10/11, it’s not a Windows problem, it’s a sound card problem. This is like expecting to run W11 on a 386, or any EoL product, and blaming Microsoft.

Simple solution: buy a sound card that’s supported by the manufacturer.

Better solution: buy a DAC, get better sound, stop worrying about drivers.

 

[AusWolf]

Seems to me the OP’s framing is backwards. If the sound card isn’t compatible with W10/11, it’s not a Windows problem, it’s a sound card problem. This is like expecting to run W11 on a 386, or any EoL product, and blaming Microsoft.

Simple solution: buy a sound card that’s supported by the manufacturer.

Better solution: buy a DAC, get better sound, stop worrying about drivers.

Even better solution: Put the old soundcard into a Windows Vista retro PC, and leave only modern stuff in the main one. A monitor with multiple inputs, or an HDMI splitter can work wonders.

 

[bug]

Wow, Vista. You must have a fetish for UAC prompts.

 

[Bomby569]

Linux would probably the best solution btw. Most distributions are extremely customisable and the audio system is so much better. Practically everything that you use is documented and explained in a fairly readable manner unlike Windows where everything seems to be hidden and documentation is mostly unhelpful and meant only for gurus. The drawback is of course limited hardware and app support but my guess is that Vista will be even worse in that category.

Love or hate Linux, the level of customization is so much better at all levels.

 

[Cutechri]

Love or hate Linux, the level of customization is so much better at all levels.

Until you see the godawful community. Enough of a turn off for me. Can't ask for help without getting shat on. If they want people to ditch Windows, they need to fix their attitude and not get all pissy when they finally convince them to ditch Windows just because they chose Ubuntu. They should be glad the Windows user they harassed even decided to fuck up their entire workflow for an unnecessary OS change in the first place.

Despite all the ''issues'' Windows has it's still the best distro and compatibility layer I've ever used. Probably going to stay that way for a long time.

 

[bug]

Love or hate Linux, the level of customization is so much better at all levels.

Well here's the thing: you can't just keep adding customization, it will eventually become an unwieldy mess. At some point, you have to take something away. But I'm still in favor of customization. As a Linux user, KDE>Gnome, arcane stuff gets relegated to text files with no GUI.

 

[Cutechri]

As for the OP, sound card issues have 99% of the time been related to the manufacturer. Just recently I bought a Creative Sound Blaster card and it did NOT work on any of my PCs (as in, it worked once, but upon reboot it's gone). I also tested it on a Linux Mint system out of curiosity, same story. Creative's drivers are just so shit.

But blaming Microsoft is the easiest thing to do so why bother with logic

Wow, Vista. You must have a fetish for UAC prompts.

I set the notifications to max because an extra click doesn't bother me and I'd like to know when any change is being made on my system. But then again, people who hate UAC prompts also hate rebooting for updates because they must be glued to their PC 99% of the time.

 

[claes]

Until you see the godawful community. Enough of a turn off for me. Can't ask for help without getting shat on. If they want people to ditch Windows, they need to fix their attitude and not get all pissy when they finally convince them to ditch Windows just because they chose Ubuntu. They should be glad the Windows user they harassed even decided to fuck up their entire workflow for an unnecessary OS change in the first place.

Despite all the ''issues'' Windows has it's still the best distro and compatibility layer I've ever used. Probably going to stay that way for a long time.

Hmmm I must be lost thought this was TPU

 

[Cutechri]

Hmmm I must be lost thought this was TPU

It is TPU, I believe the domain is indeed techpowerup.com. Stating my thoughts despite the flack I'll be getting from the penguins, couldn't care less.

 

[claes]

It was a joke…

People get shat on all of the time here — just scroll up. The quality of the OP usually determines the quality of responses. Linux forums, stack exchange etc can be as generous as any other forum.

 

[Cutechri]

Linux forums [...] can be as generous as any other forum.

I highly doubt that

 

[AusWolf]

As for the OP, sound card issues have 99% of the time been related to the manufacturer. Just recently I bought a Creative Sound Blaster card and it did NOT work on any of my PCs (as in, it worked once, but upon reboot it's gone). I also tested it on a Linux Mint system out of curiosity, same story. Creative's drivers are just so shit.

But blaming Microsoft is the easiest thing to do so why bother with logic


I set the notifications to max because an extra click doesn't bother me and I'd like to know when any change is being made on my system. But then again, people who hate UAC prompts also hate rebooting for updates because they must be glued to their PC 99% of the time.

It was a joke…

People get shat on all of the time here — just scroll up. The quality of the OP usually determines the quality of responses. Linux forums, stack exchange etc can be as generous as any other forum.

Joking aside, I think the problem with Linux tech help (including in-person and forums) is that people usually come from a deep Linux background, and are unable (or unwilling) to accept that there are people on this planet that have a mouse and actually prefer using a GUI, and/or lack the programming knowledge to do literally everything in the Terminal.

Conversations usually go like:
Me: "How can I do XY?"
Helper: "Go to Terminal, type xyz..."
Me: "Isn't there some kind of GUI solution to that, maybe a program that does it for me?"
Helper: "BLASPHEMY!!!"

 

[Cutechri]

Joking aside, I think the problem with Linux tech help (including in-person and forums) is that people usually come from a deep Linux background, and are unable (or unwilling) to accept that there are people on this planet that have a mouse and actually prefer using a GUI, and/or lack the programming knowledge to do literally everything in the terminal.

Exactly. Be nice to the person you're helping, or hold onto your elitism and don't help at all. Being incredibly rude is no way to get people over to your OS.

 

[claes]

Sounds to me like the same mistake as the OP… There’s a reason everyone’s making fun of them, whether it’s rude or not. Without custom drivers or system edits their card probably won’t work on the latest OS of choice.

It’s not the OS, it’s the expectations of the end user. No, there’s not a GUI for everything, in any OS, but there’s usually a hack. Heck, if we knew OP’s card we might be able to find a workaround. Instead, everyone’s either telling them they’re doing it wrong (buy something else) or lamenting the state of Windows.

 

[AusWolf]

Exactly. Be nice to the person you're helping, or hold onto your elitism and don't help at all. Being incredibly rude is no way to get people over to your OS.

Yep. Nor is promoting the overarching superiority of the 1980s style Terminal.

 

[claes]

It’s not that it’s superior, it’s just that sometimes it’s the right tool for the job… I prefer graphical text editors and browsers and audio players (and certainly games lol), but if I want to flip a switch where there is none I concede I’ll have to do it manually, whether that’s a registry edit, writing a script, or building a GUI to do what I need…

You all know that GUIs are just front-ends for code, right? Am operating system is just a front-end for whatever code/“terminal” it’s base on…

 

[AusWolf]

You all know that GUIs are just front-ends for code, right? Am operating system is just a front-end for whatever code/“terminal” it’s base on…

I know. Though it doesn't mean that programmers shouldn't bother writing a proper front-end anno 2022.

 

[claes]

I think you misunderstood… Who is obligated to write a GUI driver for a Vista era sound card? Are Linux contributors and unpaid enthusiasts obligated to do it?

 

[qubit]

Clarification .. security holes under Microsoft vocabulary = issues that might arise at the environment of Win-server when this collaborates with a portion of Win-workstation.
Translation: Workstations for home use, they do not need such MS patches.

No, that's wrong. There's loads of vulnerabilities that appear on Microsoft client operating systems over time which Microsoft then patch. This isn't even a matter of debate, but fact.

 

[claes]

Don’t know why you’re bothering with that one… workstations for home use, like the z68 they’re using?

This thread has gotten out of hand!

*I shouldn’t speak I haven’t updated my profile in years

 

[Solaris17]

Instead, everyone’s either telling them they’re doing it wrong (buy something else) or lamenting the state of Windows.

You're right of course. I think the thread has ran its course in that regard. If OP wants to go back to Vista, well we live in wild times.