Would you buy a 5000 series ThreadRipper if HEDT(non-pro) models were offered?

[dgianstefani]

Neither does rtx 4000, but it's still a better choice to wait for it than to buy an rtx 3000 now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Neither does rtx 4000, but it's still a better choice to wait for it than to buy an rtx 3000 now.

AMD has not indicated that they will release either of them. It'd be very cool if they did.

 

[P4-630]

@lexluthermiester I'd like to vote:
No, I'm happy with Intel's current consumer offerings.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

I would incline more towards an EPYC for the 8 channel IMC and extra IO provided the budget is not stretched by to much 16to20% , 50/50 split between 5000s TR and 7xx3 regular EPYC.
le: ortho.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester I'd like to vote:
No, I'm happy with Intel's current consumer offerings.

The focus of this poll/thread is on AMD. The goal is to show how many of AMD's buyers would want an HEDT ThreadRipper if AMD were to offer it. However, for the sake of curiosity, I can create a poll for the Intel side of things if that would be favored.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

The focus of this poll/thread is on AMD. The goal is to show how many of AMD's buyers would want an HEDT ThreadRipper if AMD were to offer it. However, for the sake of curiosity, I can create a poll for the Intel side of things if that would be favored.

Just say the current offerings on the market. Intel/AMD don't really have any current processors that fill the exact market of a TR, so brand is somewhat of a moot point.

 

[Flyordie]

I am still running the X399/1900X. Once it became clear X399 died as a platform and AMD stopped supporting it, I decided not to jump to a 1950/2950X unless it was a good price. I also wish AMD would sell a system builder packaged kit. Not everyone wants a retail packaged product. Less waste too.

So, to close out my answer-

If AMD released a non-pro TR 12-16 core TR5xxx for STRX4 for around say $1,000-1,200 for the 24 core. Yes, I'd upgrade my X399 system to STRX4.

But, we all know AMD has kinda given up on the HEDT market now. So it will likely never happen.

 

[phill]

Well I would have just voted yes because when you buy into an extreme plaftorm, money isn't really much of a thought at that point I don't think... Saying that I've had mostly X Intel Platforms over the mainstream stuff, no idea why at all but X58, X79, X99 and X299 (but not really had chance to use it much)...

Having AMD's AM4 systems for the crunching we do here for TPU and the World Grid, AMDs had seemed to be more of a favourite, I mean, there's nothing more I like that 32 threads crunching away at something that will hopefully do some good for cancer.

That said I've been very fortunate and able to find a few decent deals when it came to Threadripper. I mean a pretty much brand new in box Asus Zenith Extreme board for £160 posted and then the Threadripper 2950X I found for £300 posted... Not so long ago I found a Threadripper 2990WX which was up for a £1000, I had it for £500. Worked perfectly was amazingly quick in all core areas as you'd expect but sadly it was put to shame with a few tests I'd done by the 5950X I have... That said, I've got to try it against the 3950X I have as well just for giggles... We all know the 2990WX had some funky issues with the number of cores and such, but the 3rd gen of Threadripper I think really sorted that out...
I'd love to find a decent 3970X system with the 2nd gen Zenith Extreme board because if I'm honest, I think its awesome. Knew I should have got that 3990X system I saw a little while ago... Maybe I'm an AMD fan boy, although, I think I'm just a fan boy of hardware in general......

I would love to see the 5 series Threadripper and compare... I bet it will be amazing.....

 

[lexluthermiester]

Saying that I've had mostly X Intel Platforms over the mainstream stuff, no idea why at all but X58, X79, X99

Same here. Currently running all three.

 

[phill]

I'm sadly running out of space and PSUs among other bits to get the systems up and running.... Oh but when I do.... More crunching PCs!! I just hope the solar can feed me all the power!!

 

[eidairaman1]

I am still running the X399/1900X. Once it became clear X399 died as a platform and AMD stopped supporting it, I decided not to jump to a 1950/2950X unless it was a good price. I also wish AMD would sell a system builder packaged kit. Not everyone wants a retail packaged product. Less waste too.

So, to close out my answer-

If AMD released a non-pro TR 12-16 core TR5xxx for STRX4 for around say $1,000-1,200 for the 24 core. Yes, I'd upgrade my X399 system to STRX4.

But, we all know AMD has kinda given up on the HEDT market now. So it will likely never happen.

HEDT is known as Workstation, If we weren't on the edge of DDR5 I'd get a Socket WRX8 myself.

 

[Tomgang]

No is my answer.

My 5950X and X570 chipset offers all the cpu power og features i need and besides if I have more work to do, my 5600X can assist 5950X. 5950X is a good mix of workhorse and gaming cpu. Threadripper is less a gaming cpu do to lower clocks speed.

Even if i where in need of more cpu power and features on motherboard/chipset. I would at least wait and see what Zen 4 has to offer before jumping to threadripper. A 16 core zen 4 would better suit my needs for a combination of gaming and workstation cpu do to higher clock speed and IPC over zen 3 threadripper.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

No is my answer.

My 5950X and X570 chipset offers all the cpu power og features i need and besides if I have more work to do, my 5600X can assist 5950X. 5950X is a good mix of workhorse and gaming cpu. Threadripper is less a gaming cpu do to lower clocks speed.

Even if i where in need of more cpu power and features on motherboard/chipset. I would at least wait and see what Zen 4 has to offer before jumping to threadripper. A 16 core zen 4 would better suit my needs for a combination of gaming and workstation cpu do to higher clock speed and IPC over zen 3 threadripper.

I have yet to notice any difference from my 5600x running 4.5ghz to 4.8ghz in games.
4.5ghz is fine on threadripper pro Zen3.
I'm going to say you'd probably barely notice it on a single threaded game unless you have had to manage to a 5950x that has cores that can clock to 5.0ghz-5.1ghz om single thread and maybe 4.8-4.9ghz on all cores

 

[Flyordie]

HEDT is known as Workstation, If we weren't on the edge of DDR5 I'd get a Socket WRX8 myself.

I tend to use mine as both. I can, if needed.. push my 1900X up to 4.3Ghz all-core which is pretty good for a 1900X.

HEDT is known as Workstation, If we weren't on the edge of DDR5 I'd get a Socket WRX8 myself.

For me, I just would prefer the memory expansion options of Threadripper. The X399 platform is amazing, still.. to this day. I enjoy having 32GB of relatively high speed, low latency RAM in quad channel. The nuances of how TR is and how refined the windows scheduler has gotten over these chips allows pretty decent all around performance. I mean in all honesty, for what I do on my PC.. 1900X meets all my needs still. lol

My Vega64 is getting long in the teeth though, but still holds up fine courtesy of HBCC. (which works remarkably well on this system.. )

 

[Tomgang]

I have yet to notice any difference from my 5600x running 4.5ghz to 4.8ghz in games.
4.5ghz is fine on threadripper pro Zen3.
I'm going to say you'd probably barely notice it on a single threaded game unless you have had to manage to a 5950x that has cores that can clock to 5.0ghz-5.1ghz om single thread and maybe 4.8-4.9ghz on all cores

My 5950X can go up to 5.25 ghz on the 3 best cores after tweaking. It does 5.1 ghz easy on the first ccd. Off cause the 5.25 ghz is only achieved at very light load. All core load is around 4.6 ghz when it is unrestricted by power limits.

There is a little difference from 5600X to 5950X. But the also depends on the gpu. If the gpu is the bottleneck, then there are not differences off cause.

 

[Bomby569]

what i want is more performance from those more important 6 cores and get them affordable. I could go for 8 but that's not a priority and would exchange more performance on the 6 than having 8. I couldn't care less for more cores than that, it would be like having 64Gb of RAM, waste.

 

[Valantar]

As always, Ian Cuttress' perspectives on things are informative and insightful.

The most interesting thing to me here is that he completely ignores the TR and TR Pro distinction - and for the large markets he's talking about, that makes sense, as the price difference wouldn't matter to them. He seems to see no issue whatsoever with the disappearance of "consumer" TR, but rather takes issue with low TR Pro availability and exclusivity deals. Which makes sense to me - if you need more than 16 cores, more than two channels of fast RAM, more than 24 PCIe lanes, chances are you're doing a type of work with this PC that makes the cost for a pro system defensible (or even negligible).

So, while one of the questions the video starts out with is "Why is demand for TR still incredibly high?", that demand as he frames it exists purely in the professional realm.

Certainly seems to support the view that TR as a consumer enthusiast platform doesn't make sense in terms of cost or market size any more.

 

[A Computer Guy]

As stated by the topic title: Would you buy a 5000 series ThreadRipper if HEDT(non-pro) models were offered? Specifically, a 12c/24t or 16c/32t quad channel version of the newest line of the ThreadRipper lineup. Offer your vote and discuss. Tell everyone what core combination you like as well.

I'd like to be clear, the purpose of this poll is only to show interest in TR as a HEDT CPU platform. It not intended to impugn the AM$ platform or it's users.

My vote was the second option. I want a 12c/24t version. For some of the work I do, RAM bandwidth is more important than the number of cores/threads.

I'd consider it as long as ECC capability was not removed. While I'm pretty happy with my 5950x (and 3950x prior) my needs for more RAM and faster and more storage is growing now due to changing work conditions working from home. The sweet point of TR would be for the additional high speed PCIe lanes for storage expansion assuming the non-Pro TR would be for a more affordable price point. I would want ECC as well and while I am using ECC with my 5950x I didn't really get confirmation that it's fully and actually working until recently where the OS reported a handful of corrected memory errors after zipping 350GB worth of data over the course of 2-3 hours with an all core workload.

 

[eidairaman1]

I just feel that the Epyc and ThreadRipper CPUs should use the exact same socket (wired exactly the same) I'm thinking of it being similar to Skt A days where Desktop, Mobile, Server/Workstation (MP) used the same 462 Pins. I feel it would increase profit margins while reducing complexity.

 

[Valantar]

I just feel that the Epyc and ThreadRipper CPUs should use the exact same socket (wired exactly the same) I'm thinking of it being similar to Skt A days where Desktop, Mobile, Server/Workstation (MP) used the same 462 Pins. I feel it would increase profit margins while reducing complexity.

That's what TR Pro is.

 

[gffermari]

The software I usually use (cad, civil, surveying etc)doesn’t require many cores, fast ram etc. but a good enough gpu and 32GB of ram or more.
Sometimes when rendering or photogrammetry is needed to be done, I would like to have something like a 5950X but a good 8/16 is ok if it doesn’t happen very often.
Also anything less than 8/16 is not that good to me since many apps have to be active at the same time.
I think the problem with the threadrippers apart from the cost, is the lack of support. AMD supported the AM4 platform way better than the TR sockets/chipsets while in my opinion it should have been the other way around.

 

[Valantar]

The software I usually use (cad, civil, surveying etc)doesn’t require many cores, fast ram etc. but a good enough gpu and 32GB of ram or more.
Sometimes when rendering or photogrammetry is needed to be done, I would like to have something like a 5950X but a good 8/16 is ok if it doesn’t happen very often.
Also anything less than 8/16 is not that good to me since many apps have to be active at the same time.
I think the problem with the threadrippers apart from the cost, is the lack of support. AMD supported the AM4 platform way better than the TR sockets/chipsets while in my opinion it should have been the other way around.

What kind of support do you think the TR platforms lacked?

Other than that, your use case illustrates one of the many reasons why HEDT just isn't very relevant these days - if your workload doesn't have good nT scaling, a good MSDT CPU is the best choice, and if it does have good nT scaling, you get the highest number of cores, most cache, most RAM and most I/O on TR Pro/EPYC. There's extremely little room for an in-between solution.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'd consider it as long as ECC capability was not removed.

No argument from me. I doubt they'd remove ECC support.

 

[Kapone33]

I'd like better single-core performance over more cores because I mainly use my PC for games, compressing files, editing media and convolutional machine learning, also called "a bunch of if statements" by normies. All rely heavily on IPC rather than the amount of cores available.

The funny thing is that the 1900X was actually the fastest single core 1st Gen Ryzen chip.

 

[Valantar]

No argument from me. I doubt they'd remove ECC support.

Given that ECC works even on MSDT Ryzen (though it isn't technically officially supported, though that doesn't mean much when it works) it would be very odd for any HEDT platform to lack it.