Would you pay more for hardware with AI capabilities?

[AusWolf]

It's like you keep explaining how Achilles will never be able to catch up with the turtle, while Achilles looks back at the turtle from the finish line already.

Yeah, ChatGPT is quick. But not accurate.

 

[razaron]

80% of people don't want dlss or dlaa. Surprising

 

[AusWolf]

80% of people don't want dlss or dlaa. Surprising

DLSS is unnecessary if the game is optimised properly to run at native resolution. Not to mention, we have FSR that does pretty much the same with no AI bollocks.

It's funny that DLSS is marketed as the saving grace of modern graphics, but I can't recall anybody asking for it.

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

NO WAY
i'd pay more for those WITHOUT SkyNet

 

[starfals]

Nope, and that would be a nice way to make me puke too. I can imagine the laptops and computers of 2025. AI AI AI AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII. It already makes me feel sick today... and we are just starting... AI is like the word gaming. They used to add gaming to every single thing and make it more expensive.. cus its for GAEMERSz. I wonder whats the next big thing after AI. Real AI? Not the chatbot/paint a picture thing? ;p

 

[tancabean]

80% of people don't want dlss or dlaa. Surprising

The poll includes the words “pay more”. I’m surprised it’s not 100%. People don’t want to pay more for anything.

 

[xtreemchaos]

i have no use for Ai, id pay more not to have it as long as it was no more than 50p.

 

[Craptacular]

People say no but they are willing to pay for DLSS and DLAA......

 

[Random_User]

The poll includes the words “pay more”. I’m surprised it’s not 100%. People don’t want to pay more for anything.

Perhaps, you meant to not to pay more for the absence/exclusion of something? Then this makes a perfect sence. As I'm not fond of being gouged for absence of some useless feature I never asked for. This narrative puts a bad notion to the greedy folks like nVidia/AMD and Intel, etc.

P.S.: People who responded with "Yes" and "Don't know" are perfect target audience for MS.

 

[64K]

DLSS is unnecessary if the game is optimised properly to run at native resolution. Not to mention, we have FSR that does pretty much the same with no AI bollocks.

It's funny that DLSS is marketed as the saving grace of modern graphics, but I can't recall anybody asking for it.

The black leather jacket guy has said that native resolution isn't the future. DLSS is the future and that's probably how this thing is going to turn out. It's no accident that DLSS locks gamers into (overpriced in my opinion) Nvidia GPUs.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

If I can make use of it, probably, else nahh..

 

[AusWolf]

The black leather jacket guy has said that native resolution isn't the future. DLSS is the future and that's probably how this thing is going to turn out. It's no accident that DLSS locks gamers into (overpriced in my opinion) Nvidia GPUs.

If leather jacket guy says that the future is low-fidelity, blurry, upscaled graphics, and the days of crisp, sharp, native-resolution images are over, then f*** him he's probably right. /s

 

[EsliteMoby]

80% of people don't want dlss or dlaa. Surprising

Because it's not machine learning. It's just a temporal upscaling gimmick like XeSS and TSR.

 

[Sunny and 75]

Native rendering looks the best.

 

[InVasMani]

I view the emergence of AI a lot like that of specialized CPU instruction sets in the late 80's and early 90's. It's new and innovative and transformative to computers as a whole. The implications of course reach beyond what many think or associate about computers or consoles with gaming though. The same was true though of general computing. People will absolutely pay for AI if it brings them things they want and like. It'll be entirely common by the end of the decade with many people utilizing it or benefiting from it w/o a second thought.

Better inference training is one of it's bigger issues it faces, but that will get ironed out a lot over time especially with a lot of the right people trying to tackle these issues. It's already caught on like wildfire so I don't get all the no votes from people that should be embracing technology pretty openly. Simply put AI is progress you can embrace it or be more of a Luddite and be opposed to it. I think as it matures further it'll become increasingly obvious how good a thing AI can be to people everywhere.

 

[theouto]

I pay for useful features, you know, I want my money to be spent on something that I know I will use.
I doubt I'll ever find use for "AI capabilities".

 

[bug]

I pay for useful features, you know, I want my money to be spent on something that I know I will use.

Says the guy running an AVX512 capable CPU on his home computer.

 

[ymdhis]

Only way I'd care about AI is if either 1) I am forced to use it at work, or 2) I can program my own futuristic sex robots with them. In the latter case however, the brunt of the interest would go in upgrading the hardware parts.
So in both cases I'd only care for AI out of necessity.

The only other realistic usage I saw so far was training a chatbot on a knowledgebase so a company could replace their help desk support employees.

 

[AusWolf]

Says the guy running an AVX512 capable CPU on his home computer.

Is there a modern gaming CPU that can't do AVX512, and is cheaper for that?

 

[InVasMani]

I see a bold transformative future ahead for AI technology. It really heavily depends which wolf they feed in terms of me and others embracing AI. If it serves their individual purpose enough they might be willing to pay more for AI custom tailored to their purpose with specialized hardware and/or software preferably both tailored to it. People aren't going to be willing to pay more for what amounts to marketing language or a node shrink. That isn't to say people won't pay for a node shrink they just won't suddenly pay more for that same node shrink with the word AI tossed on the end of it. People want to know what specifically they're getting and paying for when it comes to AI and how much technology or feature is going to cost them versus not having it or getting something like it from a competitive company.

 

[Totally]

80% of people don't want dlss or dlaa. Surprising

We had implementations of Dlss dlaa before npus, so that's a false premise.

 

[Kapone33]

No. You are poorly informed...

Ray tracing is not new...what Nvidia made was hardware that would perform the specific calculations needed to trace diffusion and diffraction. If you are somehow unsure of this, I ask you to think back. Maybe a long time ago...maybe not. Think back to basic highschool physics. Think back to that diagram where a light ray impacts a glass surface at about 45 degrees, some of it diffuses on the surface, but part of that ray enters the glass, bounces off the opposite side, and exits the glass a little later. Do you maybe remember it now? Yes, ray tracing is simply diffraction and diffusion calculations performed as one...because in traditional rendering light is not treated as an object and therefore requires multiple passes to create depth effects.


If you want the wikipedia explanation it's here: Wikipedia - Ray Tracing

That said, this is exactly the same as physics. Remember when a body was considered rigid? That meant you had a bunch of sticks around an explosive barrel, they'd fly away as solid sticks. Then Physx came along and treated those sticks as either deformable bodies or destructible bodies. This meant those sticks around the explosive barrel didn't just bounce around, they blew up into little tiny pieces, then the calculation for particles could start taking over as the dust settled.


Ray tracing does none of this. It literally only provide more photorealistic behavior for light rays...which is great if you want that. It's less great if you can tolerate water looking like Bioshock and being entirely immersive...because I don't need the next COD operator to have slightly prettier grease paint on their face that I have to spend $10 on top of the $70 game price...so that my latest $2000 purchase is justifiable in any way....because something at half the price has similar raster performance so there must be a reason I spent all of that money...

The first time I heard the term Ray Tracing was Trip Hawkinns of EA on the Computer Chronicles circa 1990.

 

[N3utro]

Unpopular opinion: I voted yes.

DLSS 3 is an AI capability, and i think it's revolutionary. Doubles the performance with little to no difference in image quality. I would definitively pay for more capabilities like this in the future.

 

[..0]

this forum and website is pro AI stuff, everyone should be against AI. this is a shitshow....

 

[bug]

this forum and website is pro AI stuff, everyone should be against AI. this is a shitshow....

I'll bite: why should everyone be against AI? It's a tool that's already useful. And it can be much, much more useful.