Zen 4 gets slower the longer the PC runs?

dgianstefani · Apr 6, 2024

ir_cow said:
Seems like a memory leak, no?

Crossed my mind too, but why exactly after 12 hours? And every time the pc is used?

Space Lynx · Apr 6, 2024

@GerKNG One thing you mentioned is that you use a very customized version of windows, lot of registry edits, blocking internet from everything, etc.

If I had to bet money I'd say that is where your problem lies. Windows 11 in particular is so complicated these days, when you mess with it too much it can make it behave in ways that was never intended, and if people are right and it is a memory leak, that memory leak is probably coming from one of the changes you made having unintended consequences.

Have you tried a regular person's version of clean install of Windows 11, no changes, and then test for 12+ hours to see if you can repeat the problem?

GerKNG · Apr 6, 2024

Space Lynx said:
One thing you mentioned is that you use a very customized version of windows, lot of registry edits, blocking internet from everything, etc.

i do. but since i have this issue since at least 6-8 weeks i installed just clean W11 Pro, ran Windows update until it's up to date and waited and it still happens.

Space Lynx · Apr 6, 2024

GerKNG said:
i do. but since i have this issue since at least 6-8 weeks i installed just clean W11 Pro, ran Windows update until it's up to date and waited and it still happens.

well, it was just an idea. that was the only variable I could think of. sorry to hear you are having this issue mate

ir_cow · Apr 6, 2024

dgianstefani said:
Crossed my mind too, but why exactly after 12 hours? And every time the pc is used?

Well a easy way to find out Is check the programs usage tab and see if one is at 100% and or taking up a huge amount of ram.

Or windows is trying to install a update. Happens to my living room computer all the time. Middle of a movie and it starts to freeze. Check what's happening and sure enough windows is doing some update or defend is scanning

Solaris17 · Apr 6, 2024

Have you tried disabling HPET either in windows or ideally on the boards if its an availible option?

GerKNG · Apr 6, 2024

dgianstefani said:
Crossed my mind too, but why exactly after 12 hours? And every time the pc is used?

probably because it's over night and i sleep at this time. it's not exactly 12 hours but at least 10 to 12 hours when benchmarks and the OS get's slower.

Solaris17 said:
Have you tried disabling HPET either in windows or ideally on the boards if its an availible option?

seems to be disabled by default? "bcdedit /enum" show no HPET at all.

Update on Linux:
System ran the whole day now and it's not slowing down. maybe over night.

A Computer Guy · Apr 6, 2024

GerKNG said:
i do. but since i have this issue since at least 6-8 weeks i installed just clean W11 Pro, ran Windows update until it's up to date and waited and it still happens.

Almost sounds like a windows update related issue. That is everything's working ok and then suddenly...
It might be worth investigating what windows updates occurred in the past 6 to 8 weeks.
Although if it was an issue like that others would be having the same issue depending on the rollout.

mb194dc · Apr 6, 2024

Have you tried other OS ? At least narrow it down to software or hardware issue.

Maybe get Linux up as a test or Windows 10 enterprise and see if still happens or not.

LabRat 891 · Apr 6, 2024

Solaris17 said:
Have you tried disabling HPET either in windows or ideally on the boards if its an availible option?

A mismatch(ing) set of HPET in UEFI / HPET in Windows or a mis-set 'timer' could be the cause.
I wish I could find the Video/Article that went over all of the functions, configurations, and consequences...

IIRC, if the system timer drifts (out of sync) you'll start to get huge delays in typing, etc. [Not sure how, but once saw a bad CMOS battery seemingly cause this issue on a friends' new build]

At the least this 'theory' would go towards explaining why it appears to be a Windows-Only issue.

GerKNG · Apr 6, 2024

mb194dc said:
Have you tried other OS ? At least narrow it down to software or hardware issue.

Maybe get Linux up as a test or Windows 10 enterprise and see if still happens or not.

i have installed Tumbleweed on my 7950X today and the PC runs for ~ 12 Hours now without any issues.

Will run over night and look tomorrow (which would be enough to be almost unuseable with W11)

Super Firm Tofu · Apr 7, 2024

Possible bug in the latest AMD chipset drivers? Try a rev or two back?

GerKNG · Apr 7, 2024

It's now 9:43 AM and Linux still runs flawless.
Seems to be related to something in Windows.

HD64G · Apr 7, 2024

ir_cow said:
Seems like a memory leak, no?

Exactly! And most possibly, software could do that easily. Either a windows update or a program or a driver.

GerKNG · Apr 7, 2024

HD64G said:
Exactly! And most possibly, software could do that easily. Either a windows update or a program or a driver.

mb194dc · Apr 7, 2024

GerKNG said:
It's now 9:43 AM and Linux still runs flawless.
Seems to be related to something in Windows.

Surprising...

Guess you can try and narrow it down further with different windows versions, drivers, other software you've got installed see if you can isolate what's causing it.

Possibly something obscure as should be other reports flooding in.

HD64G · Apr 7, 2024

Sadly, windows system monitor cannot show problems into the os itself. Another possible root of your problem is malware. Many people didn't find any trace of their problems until they re-installed windows.

c2DDragon · Apr 7, 2024

OS problems can be seen reading the event viewer.
If you can see errors happening in the time window where you think the slowdown is happening, you could see what could be the culprit.
Is the virtualization ON in the BIOS and used in the security parts of Windows ?
Did you try to disable WinSAT in the Task Scheduler ?
When the slowdown happens, do you notice more cores parked in the ressource monitor (CPU part) ?

ThrashZone · Apr 7, 2024

c2DDragon said:
OS problems can be seen reading the event viewer.
If you can see errors happening in the time window where you think the slowdown is happening, you could see what could be the culprit.
Is the virtualization ON in the BIOS and used in the security parts of Windows ?
Did you try to disable WinSAT in the Task Scheduler ?
When the slowdown happens, do you notice more cores parked in the ressource monitor (CPU part) ?

Hi,
Off the OP screen shot H-V features is capable but disabled so win-11 virtual security features would not be compatible atm

HD64G said:
Sadly, windows system monitor cannot show problems into the os itself. Another possible root of your problem is malware. Many people didn't find any trace of their problems until they re-installed windows.

Think the OP has said he's reinstalled a couple times.

Space Lynx · Apr 7, 2024

I had this happen to me last year: I did win 11 install on same flash drive over and over, turned out my flash drive was corrupted, but windows would still install but was unstable. sfc /scannow I think helped. but ultimately I ended up using a different computer and flash drive to format the flash drive. after that everything worked fine. it was strange and I haven't had any issues since lol I guess flash drives can partially die? I have no idea.

Now there is 99.99% chance this won't fix your issue, I am just just trying to think of every variable for you lol

dgianstefani · Apr 7, 2024

Space Lynx said:
I had this happen to me last year: I did win 11 install on same flash drive over and over, turned out my flash drive was corrupted, but windows would still install but was unstable. sfc /scannow I think helped. but ultimately I ended up using a different computer and flash drive to format the flash drive. after that everything worked fine. it was strange and I haven't had any issues since lol I guess flash drives can partially die? I have no idea.

Now there is 99.99% chance this won't fix your issue, I am just just trying to think of every variable for you lol

Flash drives are generally trash tier hardware. I've had a few fail on me including expensive ones.

An old SLC/TLC M.2 in a USB C caddy is much faster and much more reliable.

LabRat 891 · Apr 7, 2024

dgianstefani said:
Flash drives are generally trash tier hardware. I've had a few fail on me including expensive ones.

An old SLC/TLC M.2 in a USB C caddy is much faster and much more reliable.

16GB Optane M10 M.2 Gen3x2 NVME drives are cheap, and just the right size.
Fastest Windows Installer Disk, ever. :laugh:

At least the Realtek NVME-USB bridges have no problem working @ USB 1.1/2.0, used w/ the earliest USB-boot supporting systems.

dgianstefani · Apr 7, 2024

LabRat 891 said:
16GB Optane M10 M.2 Gen3x2 NVME drives are cheap, and just the right size.
Fastest Windows Installer Disk, ever.

At least the Realtek NVME-USB bridges have no problem working @ USB 1.1/2.0, used w/ the earliest USB-boot supporting systems.

Eh, just get a P1600X, worth the cost and you get 118 GB.

ThrashZone · Apr 7, 2024

GerKNG said:
i have installed Tumbleweed on my 7950X today and the PC runs for ~ 12 Hours now without any issues.

Will run over night and look tomorrow (which would be enough to be almost unuseable with W11)

Hi,
How did you install tumbleweed ?
Different disk/ dual boot/ VM according to your last screen shot VM is unlikely seeing it's disabled.

The idea the flash drive could be messed up and corrupting the windows install is why I ask.
If you used a different flash drive for TW guess we can rule out bad flash drive.

You've also use inplace refresh windows as well ?

GerKNG · Apr 7, 2024

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
How did you install tumbleweed ?
Different disk/ dual boot/ VM according to your last screen shot VM is unlikely seeing it's disabled.

The idea the flash drive could be messed up and corrupting the windows install is why I ask.
If you used a different flash drive for TW guess we can rule out bad flash drive.

You've also use inplace refresh windows as well ?

grabbed one of my thumbdrives, a SSD and ran the system on a testbench.
just one SSD, fresh install.

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Zen 4 gets slower the longer the PC runs?

dgianstefani

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GerKNG

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GerKNG

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GerKNG

Super Firm Tofu

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HD64G

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