Wednesday, May 4th 2011

AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface

Here are the first performance projections of the AMD FX-series processors. FX-series is the market name of the latest line of 8-core, 6-core, and 4-core processors by AMD, based on its new Bulldozer architecture. The performance projections come from AMD's internal presentations to its industry partners, which was leaked to sections of the media.

In the performance projection, a compound bar graph, an AMD platform comprising of an 8-core FX series processor (unknown model, clock speed) with AMD Radeon HD 6670 discrete graphics, was pitted against its main competitor, Intel Core i7-2600K with its integrated Intel HD graphics. Perhaps AMD is suggesting that FX 8-core model used here along with a HD 6690 graphics card costs the same as a Core i7-2600K.
The tests used were synthetic, Futuremark PCMark Vantage and 3DMark Vantage P (performance preset). In PCMark Vantage, the AMD FX processor is shown to have performed the same as the Core i7-2600K. In 3DMark Vantage, the AMD platform with its HD 6670 graphics card outperformed close to 4 times over the Intel platform.

Interestingly, the AMD FX + HD 6670 platform appears to be just about 20% faster than a platform consisting of Phenom II X6 1100T and Radeon HD 6670, in both the tests. The other platforms in the graph include AMD's Llano A-Series APUs. They're slower than Intel's Core i3-2100 in PCMark Vantage, but faster in 3DMark Vantage.

Overall, it appears that with AMD's new processor lineup, AMD will continue to rely on performance per Dollar, rather than pure processing performance, to be competitive with Intel. No doubt the performance and energy efficiency seems to have gone up, but Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture is faster at whatever today's processors are meant for (x86 processing).
Source: DonanimHaber
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133 Comments on AMD FX Series and A Series First Performance Projections Surface

#51
Jonap_1st
naoannah, it would be easier to market higher core counts than "unbelievable compute power" to mass market.
more cores is useless if it not fast enough than its competitor..
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#52
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
FourstaffAt the end of the day, we need benchmarks. Also, the characteristic of the cores. I have no doubt that in heavily multithreaded environments (like video converting etc.), AMD's 8core/4module/whatever will be better than the 1155's 4c8t processors, I have no doubt about that. However, if we judge by gaming performance (where load in CPU is relatively light), Intel's architecture resoundingly beats AMD's. We might just see a reversal of position here, where budget gamers go for Intel (well, its happening now), and AMD takes the crown in multithreaded environment, at least until LGA2011.
*Schindler's List background score*

Have you forgotten about LGA1366, and that 6c/12t Westmere LGA1366 chips are entering the $300-ish price range soon? Core i7 970 will be under $400 very soon.
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#53
rem82
FourstaffHowever, if we judge by gaming performance (where load in CPU is relatively light), Intel's architecture resoundingly beats AMD's. We might just see a reversal of position here, where budget gamers go for Intel (well, its happening now), and AMD takes the crown in multithreaded environment, at least until LGA2011.
Τhis will depend from clocks and overclocking ability .
But when we buying a platform for games we want many lanes for true crossfire & sli . 1155 platform cant deliver that ..... Sandy-bridge north-bridge has few lanes .
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#54
heky
rem82Τhis will depend from clocks and overclocking ability .
But when we buying a platform for games we want many lanes for true crossfire & sli . 1155 platform cant deliver that ..... Sandy-bridge north-bridge has few lanes .
Its easier to add a chip for pci-ex lanes, than give more power to a processor that just cant deliver. Intel sandy bridge delivers, for even the best GPUs, AMD chips do not, atm.
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#55
rem82
btarunr*Schindler's List background score*

Have you forgotten about LGA1366, and that 6c/12t Westmere LGA1366 chips are entering the $300-ish price range soon? Core i7 970 will be under $400 very soon.
1366 is dead socket !!! Who cares about this socket ......

Sandy beat Westmere.
I believe bulldozer beat westmere.
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#56
rem82
hekyIts easier to add a chip for pci-ex lanes, than give more power to a processor that just cant deliver. Intel sandy bridge delivers, for even the best GPUs, AMD chips do not, atm.
SANDY-BRIDGE has ΝΟRTHBRIDGE inside the cpu chip !!!! They cant change that !!! For that reason 1155 platform is bad for multi gpu !
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#57
heky
rem821366 is dead socket !!! Who cares about this socket ......

Sandy beat Westmere.
I believe bulldozer beat westmere.
No way is the bulldozer beating a 6c/12t Westmere chip. Are you dreaming?
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#58
heky
rem82SANDY-BRIDGE has ΝΟRTHBRIDGE inside the cpu chip !!!! They cant change that !!!
Are you serious? You can add a NF200 chip on a motherboard!!!
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#59
Fourstaff
btarunr*Schindler's List background score*

Have you forgotten about LGA1366, and that 6c/12t Westmere LGA1366 chips are entering the $300-ish price range soon? Core i7 970 will be under $400 very soon.
Newegg still have the i7 970 at $600, and I don't believe that they are going to knock $250 off that value in one swipe. Depending on where AMD wants to position the 8 core Bulldozer, we can either see a clear victory in multithreaded for AMD (if positioned against the 2600K), or a "meh" reaction if AMD decides to be cocky and go against the 6c/12t. At this point, the success of Bulldozer is going to be down to pricing, and that fight is firmly in AMD's turf.
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#60
rem82
hekyAre you serious? You can add a NF200 chip on a motherboard!!!
And how NF 200 chip connected in cpu north-bridge ? sandy north has only 16 οr 20 (i cant remember) lanes for gpu !!

How can CROSSFIRE with nf200?

If you run multi gpu each pci-e x16 will run at x8 !!
In AM3 you have 36lanes for SLI & CROSSFIRE and you can run 2 cards in both x16 speed or three cards (2x16 & 1x8) or for cards with 4x8 lanes.
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#61
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
FourstaffNewegg still have the i7 970 at $600, and I don't believe that they are going to knock $250 off that value in one swipe.
They knocked off $300 in one swipe. Core i7-970 was $899 on launch.

Core i7-960 was $600 at one point, they knocked off $310 in one swipe, it's now $290.
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#62
heky
rem82And who NF 200 chip connected in cpu north-bridge ? sandy north has only 16 οr 20 (i cant remember) lanes for gpu !!

who can CROSSFIRE with nf200?

If you run multi gpu each pci-e x16 will run at x8 !!
In AM3 you have 36lanes for SLI & CROSSFIRE and you can run 2 cards in both x16 speed or three cards (2x16 & 1x8) or for cards with 4x8 lanes.
Show me one test where the AMD platform(anyone till today) that can beat a sandy bridge platform in SLI with two GTX580. Sandy 2x 8lanes, amd 2x16? Lanes dont matther if dont have the power to feed them!
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#63
Fourstaff
rem82And who NF 200 chip connected in cpu north-bridge ? sandy north has only 16 οr 20 (i cant remember) lanes for gpu !!

who can CROSSFIRE with nf200?

If you run multi gpu each pci-e x16 will run at x8 !!
In AM3 you have 36lanes for SLI & CROSSFIRE and you can run 2 cards in both x16 speed or three cards (2x16 & 1x8) or for cards with 4x8 lanes.
www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-gaming-3-way-sli-three-card-crossfire,2910.html
btarunrThey knocked off $300 in one swipe. Core i7-970 was $899 on launch. Core i7-960 was $600 at one point, they knocked off $310 in one swipe, it's now $290.
Completely forgotten about that :o Lets hope Bulldozer will cause that reaction again, eh? The i7 960 is just a higher binned 930, but the 970 requires much more silicon, so I seriously doubt that we are going to see Intel taking another $300 off again in one go. Pure speculation at this point though.
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#64
legends84
well.. I just have to wait and see how bulldozer perform....
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#65
rem82
hekyShow me one test where the AMD platform(anyone till today) that can beat a sandy bridge platform in SLI with two GTX580. Sandy 2x 8lanes, amd 2x16? Lanes dont matther if dont have the power to feed them!
We speaking for bulldozer, no for thuban or deneb! AM3 platform cant doing SLI but only crossfire !! If you want to consider this to platform you can do it only with crossfire + ATI cards.

AM3+ platform will be able to do.
vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-to-unlock-sli-for-amd-990-series-chipsets/11778.html

When you consider crossfire 2x16 & 2x8 you must do that with the same cpu !! If bulldozer has the same performance with sandy you can see that !:)
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#66
Jonap_1st
btarunrThey knocked off $300 in one swipe. Core i7-970 was $899 on launch.

Core i7-960 was $600 at one point, they knocked off $310 in one swipe, it's now $290.
yeah, all bloomfield's now priced under $300, except cheapest gulftown's still priced between $500-600
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#67
legends84
rem82We speaking for bulldozer, no for thuban or deneb! AM3 platform cant doing SLI but only crossfire !! If you want to consider this to platform you can do it only with crossfire + ATI cards.

AM3+ platform will be able to do.
vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-to-unlock-sli-for-amd-990-series-chipsets/11778.html

When you consider crossfire 2x16 & 2x8 you must do that with the same cpu !! If bulldozer has the same performance with sandy you can see that !:)
there are AMD AM3 mobo with nforce 980a that can be SLI I think
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#68
heky
rem82We speaking for bulldozer, no for thuban or deneb! AM3 platform cant doing SLI but only crossfire !! If you want to consider this to platform you can do it only with crossfire + ATI cards.

AM3+ platform will be able to do.
vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-to-unlock-sli-for-amd-990-series-chipsets/11778.html

When you consider crossfire 2x16 & 2x8 you must do that with the same cpu !! If bulldozer has the same performance with sandy you can see that !:)
My point exactly. Intels 2x 8 lanes is still faster than AMDs 2x 16 lanes at crossfire, becouse the amd proc doesnt have the power to feed it and also becouse 8x pciex 2.0 is not a bottleneck for any known card.
Oh and btw, intels sandy bridge-E line will have pciex 3.0!
I dont know, but it doesnt look that good for AMD!
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#69
Jonap_1st
legends84there are AMD AM3 mobo with nforce 980a that can be SLI I think
no, AMD had just announced it for the first time a few days ago..
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#71
rem82
legends84there are AMD AM3 mobo with nforce 980a that can be SLI I think
Not with 2x16 & ddr3, i think

In AM3+ platform 990 chipset will provide full 16X+16X or 3X16 solution with no extra chips needed. No LATENCY with intermedially chips (NF200) . Native crossfire & native sli !
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#72
Nesters
btarunrThey knocked off $300 in one swipe. Core i7-970 was $899 on launch.

Core i7-960 was $600 at one point, they knocked off $310 in one swipe, it's now $290.
That swipe won't happen again for 970, at least not that big, it just doesn't make sense if they're launching S2011 this year.
They can maximize profits by keeping prices at the level they're now (It could drop to ~$450 around the S2011 launch).
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#73
IceCreamBarr
W1zzardbased on the first graph, the 8 core FX will be 23% faster than the phenom II 6 core, despite 25% more core count .. yawn much ?
It's actually a 33% increase in core count. These cores must be underclocked from the X6 otherwise AMD would be going backward with bulldozer.
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#75
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Who's charts are theses? Are they AMD's or some joker guesstimating?
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