Saturday, December 17th 2011

The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

Yes, really - 100% of those pesky "pirates" will be brought to book! The game's studio, CD Projekt RED (CDP Red) isn't letting on how it's doing so, either, claiming it's a "trade secret" and not giving out the name of the external company that's implementing the anti-piracy technology, claiming that to do so would damage their business. Seriously. The problem with identifying a dodgy copy of something is that the main info they have to track them down, are the IP addresses of the suspect. This has been shown many times over now, not to be a reliable tracker of who's doing what. At the most, it will pinpoint the account holder that it relates to, in some cases. However, this outfit reckons they've nailed this dealbreaking problem once and for all - and without any evidence on how they go about it. Snake oil, perhaps? The Polish company have therefore been sending out legal notices to thousands of suspects in Germany, chosen because this country has some of the strictest copyright laws in Europe. Presumably, they must be leaning on the ISPs to hand over customers' physical street addresses, although this isn't made clear, but read on for how this might be accomplished. In an email to PC Gamer, CDP Red VP Michael Nowakowski made the following statement:
We're addressing only 100% confirmed piracy causes that are 100% possible to prove. We are not worried about tracking the wrong people. As this is the trade secret of the company working on this, I cannot share it. However, we investigated the subject before we decided on this move, and we aware of some past complications (the famous Davenport case). The method used here is targeting only 100% confirmed piracy cases. No innocent person was targeted with the letter so far. At least we have not received any information as of now which would indicate something like that.
Notice how the Davenport case is "famous" rather than "infamous" - they actually went down in flames over their extortion tactics. Also notice how they covered themselves by saying "At least we have not received any information as of now which would indicate something like that." So, they could be targeting the innocent after all, they just haven't heard about it. Nice.

So, there appears to be two options to how this tracking technology works:

1 There is no technology and this is just smoke and mirrors (with a dash of snake oil) designed to extort marks into coughing up money to make CD Projekt go away

2 They really do have some "tracking technology" in their games. Now, what could this be? Well, as they're not telling us, it's only right and proper to be highly suspicious of what it actually does and to put it in the same class as common criminal malware. This is because the only logical way that they can track the individual in any semi-reliable manner, is to lift personal information off their computer. Let's speculate on how this could be achieved. It would include stuff such as email logins, bank logins, Facebook logins, network traffic sniffing to read the contents of highly personal and confidential messages and any other login where personal information such as a name and address might be kept. You name it, they might be doing it. This kind of activity is of course highly illegal everywhere, so no wonder they'd want to keep quiet about it. It makes traditional draconian DRM schemes such as SecuROM and the like seem like a walk in the park by comparison, doesn't it?

So, do you really want to install software that does some or all of this on your computer, just to play a lousy video game? Obviously, that's a resounding NO!

Regardless of how they track down suspects, this exercise is extortion with a legal veneer, pure and simple. This is because there haven't been any independent studies showing that "piracy" reduces profits and makes companies go to the wall - they have all been big media industry sponsored. However, there are several independent studies that show it does nothing, or actually enhances sales by indirect means, such as reputation spread by word of mouth. Of course, the powerful media cartels based in America, are able to buy government reps all over the world to make them pass corrupt laws as if all this "piracy" really was hurting them - three strikes, PROTECT IP & SOPA are just three examples. Consider the blockbusting sales here and here of Modern Warfare 3 recently. This will be the most "pirated" game of all, yet it still outsold all of Hollywood put together...

There is of course, one sure fire and legal way to beat a company that tries such dirty tricks: the boycott. Don't buy their products and don't pirate them, then laugh as you watch them go under (all the while still blaming alleged "piracy", of course). I personally wholeheartedly recommend this course of action. Once again www.techdirt.com is recommended as the site to go to, as they expose abuses like this daily.
Sources: TG Daily, PC Gamer
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345 Comments on The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

#51
phanbuey
Piracy will always be an issue. But I am not convinced that making a game un-piratable will boost sales. Just because someone can't pirate a game doesnt mean they will buy it.

But putting shitty DRM on a product will almost always guarantee a loss in sales, especially once its exposed on the web. Then again, maybe there is something I dont know and there is rampant piracy in europe.

Either way I am not buying this game.
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#52
digibucc
sorry phan but that's ridiculous imo. how is it shitty drm if it doesn't affect legitimate buyers? say what you want about the methods but until we know more, i think you are being irrational. and let's be honest, the game came out 7 months ago - if you were GOING to buy it, chances are you would have.

that doesn't mean you would NEVER have bought it, but simply that it was up to chance. if the price went down, if you had money, if you caught a sale, etc. I really don't see this hurting their bottom line like... at all.
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#53
3volvedcombat
Good that they are catching the pirates for there bad doing.

If anybody says they need to try it before you buy it, your mistaken

There are more reviews on blockbuster game titles then their are with gaming enthusiast technology.
You read all the reviews, wait for some you-tube video's, do a little Google searching and figure out all the information you need to make A Decision

Ludicrous Bullshit for the "Download and play then buy" Bullshit. It does not work unless your dealing with drugs or big ticket items supervised by professionals.

PC games get very cheap, Even a poor man can rustle up enough money to buy a 20-30$ title.

Argument about feeding children and keeping a lively hood fly's out the WINDOW. Why? They should not be concentrating nor being involved in a video game that is expensive, because if they are, their priority needs to change. There are cheaper/affordable enjoyable titles of the same statue.

It no big deal. :cool:

This is no DRM, I does not affect a user who has bought the title legally, It will not affect the game-play in any way, It will not affect anybody that is a loyal person about getting a product. No other way to argue about it.
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#54
Nyte
This is a very poorly written opinionated news posting.

I work in the tech industry with very close ties to gaming companies and I assure you, piracy DOES eat into the bottom-line. Maybe not in extreme examples like MW3, but indy developers get hit the hardest.

So rather then be all liberal and hippie-like by "rebelling" against authority, how about you just submit to harmless monitoring where the gathered information will be used for the greater good. Contrary to hippie/conspiracy/liberal beliefs, them gathering whatever information they have on you will NOT be sold off or used in negative ways. Instead of me proving that statement right, I'd like you to prove me wrong.

You might as well throw away your credit cards, your cellphones, your TV, and basically all electronic devices. Because while you still cower within your tech bubble (except for gaming), YOU are STILL being monitored. Can't handle that? Go move to your own island where you can make up your own laws where you become your own authority.
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#55
Nyte
reverzethey copied, didnt steal.
How would you feel if I copied your school paper that you worked 50 hours on? Takes me 1 hour to copy it and then I go party and get laid while you are resting after all that work.

WHY is it ALWAYS the EUROPEANS that are AGAINST anti-PIRACY??? WHY???
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#56
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
NyteThis is a very poorly written opinionated news posting.
In your opinion, of course. ;) Don't worry, I didn't take any offense. :toast:
NyteI work in the tech industry with very close ties to gaming companies and I assure you, piracy DOES eat into the bottom-line. Maybe not in extreme examples like MW3, but indy developers get hit the hardest.
MW3 broke all sales records and blew away Hollywood as a money-making machine. Don't tell me that sales "OMG would have been even better!!" without "piracy". :rolleyes: If piracy was such a problem, then everyone would be getting their dodgy copy and Activision wouldn't have any sales.

Oh and reverze is right. Copying is not stealing. It's an infringement, as the original owner still has their copy. Big difference.

Finally, you may want to merge your two posts into one, as the forum rules don't allow for double posts.
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#57
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
note to self: pirate next witcher 2 dlc > laugh mechanically > stop laughing after finding out I wasted 10 min of my time downloading some re-textured and retooled model masquerading as new content > proceed to delete either game and play something else

I don't accept ANY governments written laws regarding the internet

the internet shall always follow the 3 r's
no rights
no rules
no regulation
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#58
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
all pirates should die in a fire. yarggg! raise the mast and fetch the boys, matey! swab the poop deck!!!! yarg!!!

i mean seriously, go die already you fools.
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#59
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
Easy Rhinoall pirates should die in a fire. yarggg! raise the mast and fetch the boys, matey! swab the poop deck!!!! yarg!!!

i mean seriously, go die already you fools.
ill think of you the next time I pirate something AVAST YE HADTYS WE BE GOING DOWN THEN WE GOING DOWN FIGHTHING
the seas of change are unforgiving big content and giant software publishers are being replaced / forced out and there is no stopping it
resist they will win in the end we will
gg
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#60
AsRock
TPU addict
DroneI don't condone piracy but I also hate dirty tricks with tracking and all that crap. I also hate when someone says "we're 100% sure" and all that bullcrap.
Neither do i and i don't see a dirty trick in fact they should of kept their mouths shut about it because of people with your opinions.
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#61
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
AsRockNeither do i and i don't see a dirty trick in fact they should of kept their mouths shut about it because of people with your opinions.
for the sake of just because I have the time ill attempt to recite the pre-writen reply from a self admitted pirate ..... not that it will change anything ...
you use the word "condone' like "sharing" or as called by the people that claim to be righteously driven call it "piracy". is wrong
people have been _sharing_ for just as long as copyrights and the selling of goods for monetary gain have existed and people will always buy what they feel is worth there cash even if there are "free" alternatives or non-legal alternatives this is a FACT

if you could magically control all the traffic in the world and 'stop' the sharing of games and music and movies you would NOT see a sudden jump in sales what would be very likely is that there would be little change for the first few months followed by a slow decline and eventually down to sub 1990's revenue.
simply because the consumers "exposure' to said products would be even more limited you CAN NOT FORCE SOMEONE TO BUY SOMETHING Simply by removing ANY other alternatives its not possible MANY people have tried over the century and with little to no success.
even if said person _wants_ said product if they don't have the money for it IT will not be bought PERIOD How ever if it could be found for free or created by ones self ... it will still exist .... and most of the time when you drive someone to find "another way" the end result is the _best way_
examples
RADIO
TV
the internet
???????
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#62
reverze
NyteHow would you feel if I copied your school paper that you worked 50 hours on? Takes me 1 hour to copy it and then I go party and get laid while you are resting after all that work.

WHY is it ALWAYS the EUROPEANS that are AGAINST anti-PIRACY??? WHY???
thanks for confirming its copying, not stealing
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#63
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
NyteHow would you feel if I copied your school paper that you worked 50 hours on? Takes me 1 hour to copy it and then I go party and get laid while you are resting after all that work.

WHY is it ALWAYS the EUROPEANS that are AGAINST anti-PIRACY??? WHY???
I would't much care very poor example you got there ......
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#64
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
reverzethanks for confirming its copying, not stealing
So if I hack into a few servers and get all your personal data like name, address, credit card info, social security numbers, family members, etc. and "copy" your identity for my own perosnal use it's all okay because it's not "identity theft" it's just "identity copying"?
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#65
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
KreijSo if I hack into a few servers and get all your personal data like name, address, credit card info, social security numbers, family members, etc. and "copy" your identity for my own perosnal use it's all okay because it's not "identity theft" it's just "identity copying"?
valid argument wrong subject to use it on
that would be "stealing" because the original would be damaged or lost
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#66
erocker
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reverzethanks for confirming its copying, not stealing
Copying is stealing. It's not very hard to understand.
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#67
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
erockerCopying is stealing. It's not very hard to understand.
wrong on so many levels its not worth the effort to re:explain it
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#68
erocker
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OneMoarwrong on so many levels its not worth the effort to re:explain it
I'll just say that any effort in which you try to re:explain it is wrong.
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#69
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
erockerI'll just say that any effort in which you try to re:explain it is wrong.
since you have yet to explain your pov while I explained mine I am going to write you off and ignorant of the subject matter
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#70
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
OneMoarvalid argument wrong subject to use it on
that would be "stealing" because the original would be damaged or lost
Not necessarily. I could use your identity in a manner that would cause you no loss or damage. In this case it would be considered fraud, but the point is still valid.
If you copy something that someone never inteded for you to do so, or exppected payment for the use of their work, there is no justification for it.
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#71
erocker
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OneMoarsince you have yet to explain your pov while I explained mine I am going to write you off and ignorant of the subject matter
Your thoughts on my thoughts on the matter of are no consequence or concern to me.
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#72
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
erockerYour thoughts on my thoughts on the matter of are no consequence or concern to me.
and neither are yours so I guss we are at a impasse O well
KreijNot necessarily. I could use your identity in a manner that would cause you no loss or damage. In this case it would be considered fraud, but the point is still valid.
If you copy something that someone never inteded for you to do so, or exppected payment for the use of their work, there is no justification for it.
and if I had no intention of paying for it anyway ???? what then ... I ask you
there is the problem with the whole argument just because I GOT it for free does not mean I was ever willing to buy it
in short of COPYING it would have never been bought and said person would had never been paid in the first place so if I decide to make my own beer does that mean I am accountable for anheuser busch's lost sale ?
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#73
Maelstrom
qubitOh and reverze is right. Copying is not stealing. It's an infringement, as the original owner still has their copy. Big difference.
Outside of lawmaking, why the hell does it even matter? In the situation we're discussing, someone is still obtaining a product for free by circumventing the system. That is illegal and I hope these pirates get caught.

Also (not directed to you qubit), I love when people are like "people are always going to pirate so what's the point of trying to stop it?", so does that mean we shouldn't do anything? With that attitude, lets get rid of all laws because people are still going to murder, steal, etc. Yes, wouldn't that be great?

*Note: I'm not up for extreme DRM that hurts legit consumers more than pirates, but there's got to be someway to attempt to stop pirate without hurting paying consumers.*
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#74
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
OneMoarill think of you the next time I pirate something AVAST YE HADTYS WE BE GOING DOWN THEN WE GOING DOWN FIGHTHING
the seas of change are unforgiving big content and giant software publishers are being replaced / forced out and there is no stopping it
resist they will win in the end we will
gg
you do realize if everyone believed what you did then there would be no video games? have fun playing with your small pecker then...
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#75
digibucc
KreijSo if I hack into a few servers and get all your personal data like name, address, credit card info, social security numbers, family members, etc. and "copy" your identity for my own perosnal use it's all okay because it's not "identity theft" it's just "identity copying"?
it's not the fact that the information was copied, but how it is used that makes it theft. the initial action in itself, though illegal as it infringes on another's rights, is not actually theft. the illegality is in how you obtain the information and what you do with it. ie stealing trash/hacking and buying crap/opening credit accounts.
erockerCopying is stealing. It's not very hard to understand.
do we need the picture ?


don't get me wrong, i don't pirate. i support companies i appreciate and if anything am guilty of supporting companies i shouldn't have. but that doesn't mean it's as simple as "pirates are thieves. period." sure it's wrong, but the effect is debatable and the extent to which devs/pubs go to prevent it borders on unreasonable.imo.

and i personally don't believe for a minute that there is a hard line correlation between piracy and sales, and i believe that devs would like to see the pc as restricted as consoles, and if we let them go each step further without any of us speaking up, they will get their way.
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