Monday, June 3rd 2013

AMD Centurion is FX-9000, Scrapes 5.00 GHz

Mid-April, we learned that AMD was working on its next "TWKR" chip for overclockers, based on the existing "Vishera" silicon. It turns out it is, and scrapes 5.00 GHz frequency at some unreal TDP levels for a client processor. SweClockers reports that AMD is working on at least two new socket AM3+ FX-series processors to make it competitive against Intel's 4th generation Core series. Among these are the FX-9000, and the FX-8770. The FX-9000 leads the pack with 4.80 GHz out of the box clock speed, and a TurboCore frequency of 5.00 GHz. Clock speeds of the FX-8770, on the other hand, haven't been disclosed. A catch here is the TDP of these chips. Two hundred and twenty Watts! The jump from 3.80 GHz to 4.80 nearly doubled TDP from 125W to 220W. Prices of the two remain under the wraps. AMD plans to unveil the two at E3, sometime between 11th and 13th June.

Source: SweClockers. Many Thanks to Norton for the tip.
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61 Comments on AMD Centurion is FX-9000, Scrapes 5.00 GHz

#1
Jorge
So the rumors a few days ago were spot on contrary to the claims of B.S.
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#2
LagunaX
AMD chips power hungry? Preposterous!
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#3
entropy13
"Moar GHz, moar powahz, bwahahahaha" - AMD
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#4
TheLaughingMan
by: LagunaX
AMD chips power hungry? Preposterous!
That is about heat not power. But either way is it kinda insane. These will be sold with water cooling without a doubt.
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#5
Jorge
These are special chips for those who want to have fun. AMD might release them with an H2O cooling system I'd venture as this would make it an easy package deal for a very high price only for those with too much money. ;)
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#6
Lazermonkey
Considering AMD released some of the FX 8300 series with Water Cooling, it wouldn't be surprising to see these new chips bundled with a Water Cooler.
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#7
xvi
by: Jorge
These are special chips for those who want to have fun. AMD might release them with an H2O cooling system I'd venture as this would make it an easy package deal for a very high price only for those with too much money. ;)
It's worked for Intel. The only bad news is that some good clockers that'd normally be normal chips will now be expensive "Extreme Edition" counterparts.
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#8
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
I accidentally searched "TWRK" on google instead of "TWKR" and received some interesting results.
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#9
HumanSmoke
by: Bjorn_Of_Iceland
I accidentally searched "TWRK" on google instead of "TWKR" and received some interesting results.
Don't give AMD Marketing any ideas.
by: TheLaughingMan
That is about heat not power. But either way is it kinda insane. These will be sold with water cooling without a doubt.
Screw the watercooling. AMD should bundle it with an evaporator pot.
Unless I miss my guess I'd say the "9000" reference might be the MHz goal. 220 watts kind of points to high leakage parts for the LN/LHe crowd.
I'm also guessing that the motherboard support list might be quite short.
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#10
Jstn7477
I'm waiting for some uninformed user to put one of these on a cheapie motherboard (under $120 or so) and either their CPU constantly throttles or the VRM section goes up in flames when they run IntelBurnTest or some other intense CPU benchmark/load. :roll:

I know the LGA 2011 chips push into that wattage range and Intel rates TDP differently than AMD, but damn, 220w TDP out of the box is ridiculous. If a dual AM3+ board somehow existed, I would rather have a pair of 8350s instead of feeding an extraordinary amount of energy to a single CPU clocked just 800-1000 MHz higher.
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#11
Vinska
"Who cares!? Just hurry up and release muh steamroller, dangit!" -Me
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#12
JDG1980
I'll believe this when I actually see an official announcement from AMD, not some random foreign website. Releasing a CPU with an *official* TDP of 220W would make AMD a laughingstock of reviewers, especially since a mildly overclocked Sandy Bridge 2500K would beat it in most single-threaded and lightly-threaded benchmarks at half the TDP.

Who's supposed to be the target market for this monstrosity? Even enthusiasts these days often try to keep power consumption and the resulting heat and noise under control. Extreme overclockers, who only care about GHz without regard to anything else, are a tiny niche. And these people are going to be abusing the hell out of the chip. Can you imagine the warranty claims on these things? What happens when someone installs one in a cheapo motherboard and it blows up or catches fire?

AMD does have a bright future, but it rests with stronger CPU/GPU integration (Kaveri) and an increase in their architecture's IPC to competitive levels (Steamroller). To release this rumored Centurion would be doubling down on the original Bulldozer fiasco, which AMD VP Andrew Feldman described as "without doubt an unmitigated failure".
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#13
theoneandonlymrk
Imho there's been some skulduggery as amd and reviewers were touting the 8350 as 5ghz capable via oc but not many do, now its clear why.
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#14
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: TheLaughingMan
That is about heat not power. But either way is it kinda insane. These will be sold with water cooling without a doubt.
It's possible they will be sold with nothing as a bare chip. Same thing as the TWKR chip was originally. That being said seeing how they are being sold with two different models with real part numbers they will likely just have a really nice cooler stock. Who knows could be a full tower cooler OEM.
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#15
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
one thing i dont understand is people s hared towards power. cooling is relatively cheap. electricity is cheap.
and there are plenty of 1gigawatt< power supplies. so yeahh more powah for more powah consumption is not bad. as long as the cheap ass china made motherboards can take it these days.
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#16
Vinska
by: de.das.dude
cooling is relatively cheap. electricity is cheap.
This is highly subjective. Electricity prices vary across the globe greatly. So do income levels.
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#17
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
pretty sure if you have the need to, you have to.
if someone would need something this powerful, they obviously must be packing some cash.
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#18
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
by: JDG1980
I'll believe this when I actually see an official announcement from AMD, not some random foreign website. Releasing a CPU with an *official* TDP of 220W would make AMD a laughingstock of reviewers, especially since a mildly overclocked Sandy Bridge 2500K would beat it in most single-threaded and lightly-threaded benchmarks at half the TDP.
SweClockers is not a "random foreign website" anymore than Techpowerup, Anandtech, Arstechnica, Tomshardware, Adrians Rojakpot or whatever. :shadedshu
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#19
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: Vinska
This is highly subjective. Electricity prices vary across the globe greatly. So do income levels.
Then buy a low power CPU. In the US this CPU should consume on average $40 a year with average CPU usage scenarios. I base this off of reviews siting the 8350 consuming $20 more a year than the 3570K.
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#21
Vinska
Wait a sec...
If they are going to make another such kind of CPU from steamroller... They should name it:

[spoiler]FX-9001
[/spoiler]
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#22
jigar2speed
by: JDG1980
I'll believe this when I actually see an official announcement from AMD, not some random foreign website. Releasing a CPU with an *official* TDP of 220W would make AMD a laughingstock of reviewers, especially since a mildly overclocked Sandy Bridge 2500K would beat it in most single-threaded and lightly-threaded benchmarks at half the TDP.

Who's supposed to be the target market for this monstrosity? Even enthusiasts these days often try to keep power consumption and the resulting heat and noise under control. Extreme overclockers, who only care about GHz without regard to anything else, are a tiny niche. And these people are going to be abusing the hell out of the chip. Can you imagine the warranty claims on these things? What happens when someone installs one in a cheapo motherboard and it blows up or catches fire?

AMD does have a bright future, but it rests with stronger CPU/GPU integration (Kaveri) and an increase in their architecture's IPC to competitive levels (Steamroller). To release this rumored Centurion would be doubling down on the original Bulldozer fiasco, which AMD VP Andrew Feldman described as "without doubt an unmitigated failure".
Funny how you don't complain when your Graphic cards eat 200+ Watts for breakfast but you cry out load if the same thing is happening at the CPU end.
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#23
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
by: jigar2speed
Funny how you don't complain when your Graphic cards eat 200+ Watts for breakfast but you cry out load if the same thing is happening at the CPU end.
thats an excellent point. the gtx 690 takens in 300W!

mine does 160W!
plus the core clock is very versatile. my cpu runs at max 1800MHz most of the time.

only rarely does it need to go to 3GHz.
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#24
DinaAngel
by: de.das.dude
thats an excellent point. the gtx 690 takens in 300W!

mine does 160W!
plus the core clock is very versatile. my cpu runs at max 1800MHz most of the time.

only rarely does it need to go to 3GHz.
my 3930k draws 310 watts atm :rockout: -33 degrees celsius on load :p
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2728858

Edit: it might be using more tho, powerdraw is peaking on whole system 1,057 watts during full load
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#25
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
by: jigar2speed
Funny how you don't complain when your Graphic cards eat 200+ Watts for breakfast but you cry out load if the same thing is happening at the CPU end.
Very good point. Performance has to come from something it is never free. Apparently AMD is trading energy efficiency for clockspeed. I also find it utterly apparent that this is the exact approach Intel took in trying to push the P4 further and further. Only time will tell if the FX series really is a one trick pony (P4 was awesome at encoding ironically enough) or if those technologies are utilized in better and better revisions.
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