Thursday, December 11th 2014

Intel Facing HEDT Chipset Troubles, Again?

In what is a repeat of the design issues Intel faced with its previous X79 Express chipset, over its integrated storage controller, leading to motherboard vendors redesigning their products with fewer SATA/SAS ports than the platform is capable of, the company is facing design troubles with its already-launched X99 Express chipset, which drives its latest Core i7-5xxx "Haswell-E" HEDT platform. Intel X99 Express is based on a common silicon, on which the company's enterprise C610 chipset is also based. On paper, it features as many as ten SATA 6 Gb/s ports. The storage controller has its own exclusive Rapid Storage Technology driver, marked "RSTe" on Intel's Download website.

Intel withdrew version 4.1.0.1046 of its RSTe drivers (even from the list of older drivers), and made its motherboard partners do the same. Replying to German publication Heise.de, ASUS explained that the driver was withdrawn because it doesn't support ATA TRIM command for SSDs striped in a RAID 0 array. The latest driver makes only six out of ten SATA 6 Gb/s ports visible to the operating system, and you can create RAID arrays using on these six ports. The other four ports become visible as part of a separate controller, only when a device is plugged into them. This controller is recognized by Windows' internal Standard AHCI controller driver. This also means that the four ports don't benefit from the SATA power management features the first six ports do, nor can they be part of a RAID array with drives plugged to the first six ports. Intel did not respond to the Heise article.
Source: Heise.de
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30 Comments on Intel Facing HEDT Chipset Troubles, Again?

#26
Schmuckley
Zomy! You mean I can only RAID 0 6 drives with TRIM enabled? Such a travesty!
:twitch:
(I only have 4) :D
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#27
lilhasselhoffer
Yeah, I'd be more pissed about this if I'd actually bought into it.

Completely new RAM (Read: insanely high pricing and no real selection), combined with a new motherboard, leads me to question whether upgrading is worth it.


I've made peace with X79 delivering way less SATA connectivity than initially suggested. I see little reason that X99 is a necessary upgrade right now. Maybe Skylake will deliver on promises, but I don't see why I should care right now.



As to people calmly accepting Intel failures, while railing against AMD, I don't understand. Who exactly is still angry with AMD? After the bulldozer mistake, AMD has been behind Intel at every turn (with the exception of ATI providing a decent GPU for APUs). Intel products perform better, but cost more. We've accepted that, and if you don't I'd ask what rock you've been living under for the past decade?

If you personally don't accept it, then buy only AMD processors. You'll quickly note high-end Intel costs double that of high-end AMD. We've accepted it, because them charging that much actually has been accepted.
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#28
xenocide
EarthDogWay to make this something it remotely isn't...:confused:
I would say the opposite is true even. Not many people were up in arms when Phenom dropped ~10% behind expectations because of a necessary BIOS fix to a manufacturing defect, but for some reason Intel says 1-2 of your SATA ports might be a bit funky and people pretend the entire platform is crap. Lets keep things in perspective people.
The Von MatricesI feel as if in the recent past, Intel is not only releasing chipsets but also processors one revision too soon. In their latest products, the early adopters have gotten burned because one major feature is broken at release and only fixed in a newer stepping that comes out months later. Intel should delay releases by a few months, produce one more stepping that fixes errata, then release that stepping as the only version.
I think they should just copy AMD and stop releasing new products. If you don't release anything new you can just spend monthes and years refining your single product. /s
lilhasselhofferAs to people calmly accepting Intel failures, while railing against AMD, I don't understand. Who exactly is still angry with AMD? After the bulldozer mistake, AMD has been behind Intel at every turn (with the exception of ATI providing a decent GPU for APUs). Intel products perform better, but cost more. We've accepted that, and if you don't I'd ask what rock you've been living under for the past decade?
I wish AMD had competative products, but they just don't outside of a few niche applications, which isn't enough to cover up being so far behind in 90%+ of applications. I'm kind of annoyed AMD got peoples hopes up with continuing to support AM3+ up through Piledriver then just completely abandoning it--minus a few super expensive SKUs nobody really wanted, and that they--mostly because of miserably bad management in the mid 2000's--squandered a golden opportunity where they were on the cutting edge of microprocessor design. They have done a lot of great things, some not so great things, and some pretty embarassing things in the years since the Athlon64 was king of the hill.
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#29
xorbe
I'm a little confused to what the actual problem is. I see the following facts, 6 for raid, 4 for not raid. Is the problem that people want all ten for raid? Or is it that raid+trim doesn't work?
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#30
Disparia
xorbeI'm a little confused to what the actual problem is. I see the following facts, 6 for raid, 4 for not raid. Is the problem that people want all ten for raid? Or is it that raid+trim doesn't work?
From earlier:
The Von MatricesThe original post wasn't very clear, so allow me to clarify. There are two issues with the latest RSTe release:

1.) SATA ports 0-5 do not support TRIM on RAID 0
2.) SATA ports 6-9 do not install an Intel driver and revert to a standard Microsoft driver.

If you ask me, #2 is the bigger concern - you don't want a driver package that doesn't actually install a driver. It's good that Intel pulled the release; otherwise, people would install the newer release thinking it was better and more stable than the old one, which it obviously is not.
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