CasecutterSay what?
Sure there are certain Aftermarket coolers with improve mounting, but are few and far between anymore. But would like a fairly all encompassing conversion so I can use any cooler on either platform and make it robust. There was the XIGMATEK Crossbow Ack brackets that converted AM3 the LGA775 platform, those work great but went EoL some time ago. There's aXigmatek Crossbar ACK-U01 mounting though that I believe is not always compatible with every or most other aftermarket coolers, while doesn't permit rotation of the cooler in all attitudes.

Do you know of a conversion that moves from the AM3 style to say the LGA1150 4-point mount?

There are literally dozens of coolers that use the 4 point mounting system. Literally every cooler I have purchased since s754 (excluding the H50/70/100 AIO's) have been bolt through.

I want one! No, make that a few of these!

newtekie1Looks to me like the same heatsink with a bigger slower, hence quieter, fan. Not something to get super excited about.

peche+1 ...

Its different, it seems similar but its a bit larger overall according to what's been said and different angle shots.

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Wraith/AM4 Cooler Bottom
Well...for most of us I doubt this will be that amazing but at least from the perspective of those not wanting to overclock its a nice touch. Its going to depend a lot on how good/power hungry Zen is (or whatever this ships with, I am assuming Zen over APU's unless they have special editions coming). Or it could also be useful (If its not extremely tall) in SFF builds depending on its performance overall.

Some of the older phenom II HSF had the same style bottom

cdawallThere are literally dozens of coolers that use the 4 point mounting system. Literally every cooler I have purchased since s754 (excluding the H50/70/100 AIO's) have been bolt through.

I suppose we are seeing things in different light... Sure there mounts like that of the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, but that isn't any better (might be worse) as it still has center point contact from the X bracket and still can turn or lean. There's the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 cooler that bolts a clip bracket to the heat sink, though uses the AMD clip style probably less tippy though only permits only the north/south orientation. Or like a CRYORIG H7 Tower Cooler it still has what they call Swivel the X-Bar, which still has center point pressure.

Probably one cooler that attaches the way I like, is the Zalman CNPS10X Optima. Working the metal backing plate, brackets bolt to the aluminum base, and then those screw to the backing plate. It mounts sturdily, although as the bolt pattern is a rectangle (AMD boards) it offer only north/south orientation.

So hopefully AMD's new socket went away from the over-center style retention Though not the worst for these stock cooler, let's hope at least they went to a square pattern for holes on the motherboard this time. as that does offer sturdy mounting and flexibility for both cooler manufactures and the end-users.

GhostRyderWraith/AM4 Cooler Bottom

Thanks for the pic... so still on the same two point clip. Interestingly they've what seems like a lot of extra copper in that base, wonder what for? I mean there's a cost to using, in this case using it on millions of cooler seems like a cost adder. Almost feel like that is or some much larger rectangle die.

It's not hard to improve from the old vacuum-like stock cooler which is loud as hell and also lacks performance.

cdawallThere are literally dozens of coolers that use the 4 point mounting system. Literally every cooler I have purchased since s754 (excluding the H50/70/100 AIO's) have been bolt through.

Pretty much anything that needs to use the 4 Point mounting, because it it too heavy, will. Even the super cheap CoolerMaster 212 Evo, which is only $25, uses a 4 Point bolt through for AMD mounting.

GhostRyderIts different, it seems similar but its a bit larger overall according to what's been said and different angle shots.

Yeah, but the difference in the actual heatsink is minor. The big difference really amounts to just a bigger quieter fan. I would be a little more excited if they switched to a HDT design...

9700 ProIt's not hard to improve from the old vacuum-like stock cooler which is loud as hell and also lacks performance.

It didn't really lack performance, it actually performed pretty decently. Heck, I'm using it to overclock one of my processors to 4.2GHz right now. But it definitely isn't easy on the ears thanks to that tiny high speed fan.

AssimilatorA video and press release about a stock cooler? I mean it's good that they're improving it, but there's about a million more important things they could be telling people about.

The old stock coolers were just THAT bad.... Having owned one of the old ones, I think this is some of the biggest/best news from AMD since the K7. I'm only being mildly sarcastic. I mean, where else do you see such a percentage of improvement?! :P

9700 ProIt's not hard to improve from the old vacuum-like stock cooler which is loud as hell and also lacks performance.

Well unfortunately it was the best stock cooler at the moment as far as I have seen (Excluding special editions/Watercool editions) but they are just meant to be cheap and keep the processor running.

newtekie1Yeah, but the difference in the actual heatsink is minor. The big difference really amounts to just a bigger quieter fan. I would be a little more excited if they switched to a HDT design...

I agree, its not a huge change like enough to make a serious stock cooler that could cause even over clockers to keep it. But ill take the fan upgrade to its now a more tolerable under load.

CasecutterI suppose we are seeing things in different light... Sure there mounts like that of the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, but that isn't any better (might be worse) as it still has center point contact from the X bracket and still can turn or lean. There's the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 cooler that bolts a clip bracket to the heat sink, though uses the AMD clip style probably less tippy though only permits only the north/south orientation. Or like a CRYORIG H7 Tower Cooler it still has what they call Swivel the X-Bar, which still has center point pressure.

I am a little confused what your referring to other than on the stock cooler. Maybe I am misunderstanding but every AM3+ machine I have seen with aftermarket cooling has a 4 point screw in system on it including liquid and air alike. They remove the stock plastic clips and add screws same as on the Intel design. Am I misunderstanding or are we only referring to a few/stock coolers on AMD side.

FM2/AM3
Correct me if I am mistaken on what were talking about.

GhostRyderCorrect me if I am mistaken on what were talking about.

I think what he is trying to claim is that the X bracket on the CoolerMaster can allow the heatsink to twist, but that is an issue with Intel's mounting system too. And it really isn't an issue that affects anything other than aesthetics. It isn't damaging in any way, and doesn't affect performance.

He is wrong in saying it can lean though, as that can't happen.

The cpu cooler I have on my FX 6300 is an Ebay Dell cooler that looks like the cooler that came with my 965 Phenom, yet it has a (replaceable) 80mm pwm fan. The 965 Phenom cooler (70mm pwm fan) works GREAT on the g/f's A8 5600K APU. IDK why AMD didn't do what Dell did with the AMD cooler like I have, supply them with a 80mm fan. That way the consumer could put on a quiet low speed fan or a blazing Delta Tornado etc.

The Wraith looks like AMD finally put a 80mm fan on their cooler. I dig it and the lighted AMD logo! Get one and mod the logo with a red or green led. :pimp:

Nice improvement!

As far as stock coolers go, yeah this is fantastic. If thats as loud as it gets at 100%, then many, many people will get improvements from this.

GhostRyderAm I misunderstanding or are we only referring to a few/stock coolers on AMD side.

I don't have any big issue with the stock AMD over-center clamp assembly when either stock or other lightweight/small coolers, however large towers will have the pertinacity to twist or lean over if jarred and can breaker the thermal compound set.

Yes, while some might have four screws they still only have one point of contact for maintaining pressure as like the Coolermaster Evo X bracket.


Here's on the Gelid Antarctica is a robust mounting that has 4 points to maintain pressure.

Or the Zalman CNPS10X Optima.

Mine have all been like the second one.

www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/geminii/

www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/v10/

and about half a dozen different waterblocks. Those are more my style.

Casecutterhowever large towers will have the pertinacity to twist or lean over if jarred and can breaker the thermal compound set.

Twist, yes, but not lean over. I've never had a tower style cooler with the X bracket lean. You'd have to smack the cooler pretty damn hard to get it to lean. And twisting won't break the TIM layer.

Oh, great, the 'old' AMD FX (S940, maybe S939) heatsink with that nice 80mm fan is back.
The CMHK8-8I22A-A2...

Why didn't they used that design with the FX8300 series??
Would have been great for that series, if there was a decent fan in the box...

CasecutterI don't have any big issue with the stock AMD over-center clamp assembly when either stock or other lightweight/small coolers, however large towers will have the pertinacity to twist or lean over if jarred and can breaker the thermal compound set.

Yes, while some might have four screws they still only have one point of contact for maintaining pressure as like the Coolermaster Evo X bracket.


Here's on the Gelid Antarctica is a robust mounting that has 4 points to maintain pressure.

Or the Zalman CNPS10X Optima.

LGA775 coolers used the same concept of concentrating pressure on the center of the CPU, as in the first image (TRUE 120 comes to mind). I've never experienced or heard of one of these causing mounting issues, and I can't see how that can happen unless the cooler is improperly secured or breaks - in which case you have bigger things to worry about.

GhostRyderWell unfortunately it was the best stock cooler at the moment as far as I have seen (Excluding special editions/Watercool editions) but they are just meant to be cheap and keep the processor running.

I disagree, the big copper-cored on LGA775 performed very well and quiet with Core 2 Duo CPUs. Though the crappy mounting mechanism on those Intel's boxed sucks, but it still was far better than those what we have now.

So...is this new cooler from AMD going to come with my Zen chip when I purchase it? I'm waiting to build a system until they're released. Until then....I'm playing around with my old LGA 775 stuff.

After all these years...these AMD coolers don't look much different than my old Tt Volcano 11. My all-time favorite AMD Cooler. Albeit with the Tt duct attached.



As far as the Intel OEM coolers go....I still use those heavy copper coolers from Intel. The original core 2 duo version as well as the newer quad core...both work well and they're quiet to boot. Although...what stands out on both is the quality compared to the newer aluminum versions. Which seem flimsy(at best) to me.


Best,

Liquid Cool

9700 ProI disagree, the big copper-cored on LGA775 performed very well and quiet with Core 2 Duo CPUs. Though the crappy mounting mechanism on those Intel's boxed sucks, but it still was far better than those what we have now.

Ive used the cooler you speak of, its good as far as a stock cooler goes but not above the AM3+ cooler for the upper FX. Sure its quieter but the performance difference between the two is pretty noticeable. Most Intel coolers are designed to let the chip run up pretty high temp wise at stock settings (Talking upper end) where as the AMD one is designed to keep it cooler (Which is because of the lower range on AMD processors compared to Intel temp wise). I guess a test would have to be in order with some modding to see which is better if it really came down to it but based on results we see with the chips they are equipped with and what I have personally seen, its in that park. Though again they are all pretty poor anyways.

Been there, done that.
What you say is correct, the AMD Heatsinks are way better than the Intel ones.

Though they can be pretty loud (way louder than the Intle ones), they perform also way better...

AFAIR the AMD Heatsink is about on par with the Scythe Big Shuriken with the small 120mm fan (or was it the 'normal one', can't remember But I belive it was the normal one)...

Well, also AMd coolers perform pretty bad compared to intel's one, but AMD's mounting is pretty easy compared to intel and also is pretty easier to mount wrong intel, AMD system is pretty simple to mount but the performance between fan and heatsink is pretty embarrassing, even using excellent Quality TIMs the performance is weak, contrary to intel 's stock unit, I I'm running my old 860 with the stock cooler and arctic mx4 now, temps are excellent for a stock cooler, max temp is 72 and lower temps is 50cc, I now that those temps still high but the problem I'm my singular chase is the chasis, no great ventilation, and is a pretty tight one,


Also performance on intel cooler is noticeable and the fact that newer processors claim lower thermal design and consumption is making intel's stock coolers perform a way better, is pretty curious, because there is a notable difference between the temps an i7 could reach compared to i5's … i3's are the colder processor on the entire Core Familly or series,

AMD Fx6300 which is a processor I do own and crunches 24/7 makes a reasonable noise, but the cooler keeps it safe at 77c max temp, stock speeds, the chassis which contains this build have plenty more space and also ventilation, also using Arctic MX4 on this cooler,

Regards,

Those are the cheap AMD heatsinks. The heatpipe one for 125/140w chips are way better.