Wednesday, July 26th 2017

AMD Ryzen Threadripper to Include Asetek Retention Kit in Retail Package

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It seems that previous rumors of AMD bundling a water cooling solution with their premium HEDT Threadripper line of CPUs both were and weren't quite close to the mark. It appears that no, there won't be a liquid cooling solution shipped with the high-performance, high core-count processors after all - as a quick look at the leaked Threadripper retail packaging might convey due to the laws of physics and size constraints.

Even so, it seems AMD will be shipping a solution for water cooling of sorts... By including an Asetek-compatible retention kit with their retail packages of Threadripper. Asetek's designs are shipped under the company's own brand, as well as in a number of recognized, high-quality brands, such as NZXT's Kraken series, EVGA's CLC Series, and some of Corsair's coolers (such as the H100iV2 and the H115i coolers.) Though with Threadripper's IHS's giant size, it is likely that most water cooling solutions currently on the market won't have a sufficiently-sized base plate to cover the entire IHS area. Effects of this on cooling performance remain to be seen, though it probably won't improve temps.
Source: Gamer's Nexus

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23 Comments on AMD Ryzen Threadripper to Include Asetek Retention Kit in Retail Package

#1
Hood
Actually, this is a decent compromise, because most people wouldn't want to use a 1 single 120mm rad for this beast anyway; this let's you choose from a large variety of AIO coolers.
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Unregistered
HoodActually, this is a decent compromise, because most people wouldn't want to use a 1 single 120mm rad for this beast anyway; this let's you choose from a large variety of AIO coolers.
True. Besides, i'm an aircooling fan and since I'm only building my pc in september, I'm hoping noctua will have released that HUGE tr4/sp3 nh-d15 derivative!
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#3
TheoneandonlyMrK
Hugh MungusTrue. Besides, i'm an aircooling fan and since I'm only building my pc in september, I'm hoping noctua will have released that HUGE tr4/sp3 nh-d15 derivative!
Im starting to think monoblocks are the best way going forward because the size of these cpus is just ,wow , same with intels new Hedt or is it Uedt i dunno.
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#4
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
there is nothing high-quality about asetek AIO's
avoid like the plague
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#6
Dave65
HoodActually, this is a decent compromise, because most people wouldn't want to use a 1 single 120mm rad for this beast anyway; this let's you choose from a large variety of AIO coolers.
This!
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OneMoar
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yall are forgetting that AIO's come with mounting brackets
Why is this news ?

next up intel ships new i9 with retention bracket for stock cooler
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#8
Hood
OneMoaryall are forgetting that AIO's come with mounting brackets
Why is this news ?
Because I'm guessing that none of them come with a Threadripper compatible bracket yet? This removes a possible snag in early builds. I'll bet even the major custom loop companies EGWB, Aquacomputer, Swiftech, etc. are struggling to catch up with this lack on this brand new platform, with it's huge footprint.
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#9
OneMoar
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HoodBecause I'm guessing that none of them come with a Threadripper compatible bracket yet? This removes a possible snag in early builds. I'll bet even the major custom loop companies EGWB, Aquacomputer, Swiftech, etc. are struggling to catch up with this lack on this brand new platform, with it's huge footprint.
brackets are usually available at no or minimal charge with the release of a new socket thats always been the case for custom cooling
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#10
ironwolf
OneMoarbrackets are usually available at no or minimal charge with the release of a new socket thats always been the case for custom cooling
1. "Usually" but not always.
2. Like with the Corsair AM4 bracket kits, a bajillion people ordered the kit for free when they were first coming out. Took some people *weeks* or longer to get them. Some people ended up having to wait to finish their system.

For those reasons and I am sure others as well, it's nice that they are putting on in the box.
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#11
Dave65
HoodBecause I'm guessing that none of them come with a Threadripper compatible bracket yet? This removes a possible snag in early builds. I'll bet even the major custom loop companies EGWB, Aquacomputer, Swiftech, etc. are struggling to catch up with this lack on this brand new platform, with it's huge footprint.
This!
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#12
Dimi
Who's concerned about the bracket for aio's for threadripper? I doubt any aio has a big enough cooling plate anyway. Useless tool.
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#13
Cooe
This isn't true AT ALL. AMD has officially stated that cooling blocks for Threadripper don't need to, and in nearly all cases WON'T cover the Threadripper package's entire IHS (go check out the Asetek block on the Alienware's new Threadripper model; which is the exclusive/flagship TR pre-built, at least for a while). As there are only 2 dies underneath the IHS, instead of 4 like in EPYC, you only need to cover the central part of the IHS with the cooling block to properly cool Threadripper. The only reason the IHS is so big is because the package was designed to house a total of 4-dies, not 2.
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#14
Hood
CooeThis isn't true AT ALL. AMD has officially stated that cooling blocks for Threadripper don't need to, and in nearly all cases WON'T cover the Threadripper package's entire IHS (go check out the Asetek block on the Alienware's new Threadripper model; which is the exclusive/flagship TR pre-built, at least for a while). As there are only 2 dies underneath the IHS, instead of 4 like in EPYC, you only need to cover the central part of the IHS with the cooling block to properly cool Threadripper. The only reason the IHS is so big is because the package was designed to house a total of 4-dies, not 2.
The pictures of the Alienware Threadripper model show a round block/pump, possibly Asetek, but it looks a bit larger than most, by a few mm, since it covers most of the large bracket. The contact plate may be standard sized, it's not shown from that side. cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Alienware-Area-51-With-AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-and-Intel-Core-X_2-740x494.jpg
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#15
Cooe
My point still stands though, it's brought in notably from the corners of the chip package making it impossible for it to cover the entire IHS. This is probably a TR4 exclusive cooler as well, and thus larger in cooling block size then is probably needed, considering how small the 2 dies are in comparison to the size of the IHS/chip package. Covering up as much of that extra IHS space as you can, as you see here (though even here they don't go for a massive, full coverage block) I'm sure helps, but it's not necessary; AMD wouldn't be including a bracket if these commonly available AIO coolers weren't going to work. As long as the cooling block/plate covers the central portion of the IHS and the 2 Zeppelin dies underneath, it'll be fine (assuming it can cool a 180W chip that is, of course).
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#16
RealNeil
When ThreadRipper is ready to ship, we'll see plenty of coolers for sale that will cool it. I'll probably wait for reviews and buy the cooler first.
I also have to sell some of the systems that I have now, just to afford ThreadRipper.
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#17
thesmokingman
HoodBecause I'm guessing that none of them come with a Threadripper compatible bracket yet? This removes a possible snag in early builds. I'll bet even the major custom loop companies EGWB, Aquacomputer, Swiftech, etc. are struggling to catch up with this lack on this brand new platform, with it's huge footprint.
That will make it easier to cool so its not a disadvantage in that regard.
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#18
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
here is the deal: the reason amd said what they said about ryzen IHS only partially needing to be covered is because if they didn't say that every single cooler manufacturer would need to re-tool to make a cooler to fit the monstrosity and they would sell no chips

the stop gap solution was for AMD to say "this is fine" and sacrifice a huge chuck of cooling performance to get chips out the door

its also the reason why it doesn't come with any box cooler. A AIR cooler could't do the job well enough with the given surface area most have even the crappiest AIo has a contact patch 20% larger then the biggest air cooler
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#19
Chaitanya
Most people will be using AIOs from A**tek anyways so its nice to see mounting kit bundled with the box itself. Nice job by AMD.
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#20
ypsylon
Technically all current AIOs should do the trick at least short term before "designed for TR4" become available. Large IHS plate means nothing. Cores are tightly packed in the middle and in general cooling plate is not required to cover IHS entirely when we talk even most basic liquid cooling (especially with cores being soldered not taped with piece double sided tape :P, yeah Chipzilla you cheap-o-corp).

Don't have Asestek AIOs but its nice addition on AMD part. I hoping for even most basic aircooler with the CPU, just for the sake of testing the chip after it arrives. After that I'll slap waterblocks and won't look back. :)
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#21
RealNeil
Check this out.

Installation is designed to be as problem free as possible. Goodby bent pins,............


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#23
RealNeil
Imagine all four of these running at one time,......

Yeah, I can dig it!
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