The vagueness of this is a real red flag...

This is suspenseful. When in power too long corruption which includes arrogance, greed, sexual immorality can settle in.

1st Intel now this...

eidairaman1This is suspenseful. When in power too long corruption which includes arrogance, greed, sexual immorality can settle in.

1st Intel now this...

Would we be any different if we were a high status Alpha Male? If I had billions in my bank and power as a CEO... and high testosterone that comes with that... would I, would you be any different? One could argue high testosterone makes men do stupid stuff all the time, and in order to be a high status Alpha, you have to have high testosterone... Bill Gates is the exception not the norm.

"absolute power corrupts absolutely"

"rEmEmBer"

ps....if you dont recognize these 2 quotes, then perhaps you should look them up :)

lynx29Would we be any different if we were a high status Alpha Male? If I had billions in my bank and power as a CEO

You mixed up so many different things it makes no sense. Being "Alpha" != CEO with billions or at the very least that's certainly not all. I mean does Zuckerberg look alpha to you ? I've seen multiple phycologists place him on the autism spectrum due to the way he behaves.

lynx29Bill Gates is the exception not the norm.

It's neither , it's highly unrelated , if all you refer to is being very rich.

Anyway how did it even got to this discussion ?

Never mind then, I will move on to another topic. Good day.

I wish there was a way to find out the real details.

Maybe he put his instrument where it shouldn't have gone.

natr0nMaybe he put his instrument when it shouldn't have gone.

Oh man someone just had to say it. :roll:

Unfortunately, the information on this is terribly vague, as already stated. However, it seems people need to fall on their swords these days over the smallest thing. Another CEO(?) recently stepped down because they had a relationship with another worker. That was against company policy but still, hardly a war crime.

Some people may be surprised to hear this but I'm not a fan of the hand-wringing liberal scene where everybody must be a saint. When you go too far left OR right - things get really silly.

Then again - he may have done something really bad!

lynx29Would we be any different if we were a high status Alpha Male? If I had billions in my bank and power as a CEO... and high testosterone that comes with that... would I, would you be any different? One could argue high testosterone makes men do stupid stuff all the time, and in order to be a high status Alpha, you have to have high testosterone... Bill Gates is the exception not the norm.

I don't let testosterone control me, and I am a very Hairy Man.

eidairaman1I am a very Hairy Man.

So your the Sasquatch everyone's been searching for?

lynx29Would we be any different if we were a high status Alpha Male? If I had billions in my bank and power as a CEO... and high testosterone that comes with that... would I, would you be any different? One could argue high testosterone makes men do stupid stuff all the time, and in order to be a high status Alpha, you have to have high testosterone... Bill Gates is the exception not the norm.

eidairaman1I don't let testosterone control me, and I am a very Hairy Man.

The ramblings of those poor people thoroughly indoctrinated into the pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo of the MRA scene are always fascinating in a morbid, worrying way.

After all, any connection between testosterone levels and behavior in humans is (from all actual research) yet to be found outside of statistical variance and the myriad other factors affecting our behaviors. Then there's the idea that being rich somehow increases your testosterone levels? Yeah, sure, that makes sense. That's logic on the level of the South Park bit where the cure for AIDS was shown to be inhaling pulverized dollar bills. At least that was funny.

Then there's the entirely arbitrary and meaningless category of "alpha" which is not only a term cribbed from a faulty and disproven hypothesis (debunked by its own author, no less! There are no "alphas" in wolf packs.), but also seems to mean nothing other than "successful" in whatever category that currently matters to the people using the term (while implying that success is somehow universal, if you're successful in a one or a few key fields, you're successful at everything - which is incredibly easy to disprove).

Oh, and then there's the incredibly offensive idea that men are slaves to their biological drives and can't be held accountable for their actions due to this. Not only is this idea incredibly belittling to every single man on the planet, but it's also blatantly obviously designed to make people feel good about themselves and buy into this bull. "No, it's not your fault people don't like you/you're not successful/you're not rich/you can't maintain a relationship, it's because of BIOLOGY. See, I used a sciencey word, so now you don't have to make even the slightest effort at changing this. But hey, I have some testosterone supplements to sell you!"
/rant


More on topic, I'm glad to see that people in power are held at least somewhat accountable for their actions, even if this keeps taking minor, personalized (as opposed to cultural/systematic) forms. CEOs and corporate leaders keep lying, cheating and stealing. But at least now it's slightly less easy for them to rape and harass subordinates. That's something.

ValantarThe ramblings of those poor people thoroughly indoctrinated into the pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo of the MRA scene are always fascinating in a morbid, worrying way.

After all, any connection between testosterone levels and behavior in humans is (from all actual research) yet to be found outside of statistical variance and the myriad other factors affecting our behaviors. Then there's the idea that being rich somehow increases your testosterone levels? Yeah, sure, that makes sense. That's logic on the level of the South Park bit where the cure for AIDS was shown to be inhaling pulverized dollar bills. At least that was funny.

Then there's the entirely arbitrary and meaningless category of "alpha" which is not only a term cribbed from a faulty and disproven hypothesis (debunked by its own author, no less! There are no "alphas" in wolf packs.), but also seems to mean nothing other than "successful" in whatever category that currently matters to the people using the term (while implying that success is somehow universal, if you're successful in a one or a few key fields, you're successful at everything - which is incredibly easy to disprove).

Oh, and then there's the incredibly offensive idea that men are slaves to their biological drives and can't be held accountable for their actions due to this. Not only is this idea incredibly belittling to every single man on the planet, but it's also blatantly obviously designed to make people feel good about themselves and buy into this bull. "No, it's not your fault people don't like you/you're not successful/you're not rich/you can't maintain a relationship, it's because of BIOLOGY. See, I used a sciencey word, so now you don't have to make even the slightest effort at changing this. But hey, I have some testosterone supplements to sell you!"
/rant


More on topic, I'm glad to see that people in power are held at least somewhat accountable for their actions, even if this keeps taking minor, personalized (as opposed to cultural/systematic) forms. CEOs and corporate leaders keep lying, cheating and stealing. But at least now it's slightly less easy for them to rape and harass subordinates. That's something.

You have never worked in a prison like me. Within 3 months I knew for a fact my testosterone had skyrocketed, my behaviors had also changed a lot. Regardless, this is off-topic, so I am not going to post here anymore as I know mods don't like off-topic posts. Take care mates.

Oooo man... ...I wonder what he did that was so bad that it's not even mentioned. First thought is that it's gotta be some serious career/life altering stuff.

Also...

"Over the past 14 years, Rich has successfully led TI to become the company it is today, and we have great confidence in his values and ability to continue to lead this company forward."

"I have tremendous pride in this company, and passion for continuing to make TI even stronger and better," said Rich Templeton, TI chairman, president and CEO. "I remain dedicated to moving TI forward with an unwavering commitment to operate ethically and conduct ourselves professionally in everything we do."

Am I the only one creeped out by the way these people talk? What kind of bullshit way to form a sentence is that? They're like walking resumes. Life is their resume. And so everything they say has to sound good on resumes or during briefings. I understand that it's a very serious situation, but you are conveying information to human beings. Like, regular people are reading these statements, man. When someone is talking to me like we are in a formal meeting or a job interview, I tend not to trust them. Clunky, generic, sound's-good statements likes this are the reason nobody like politicians. Nice sounding, perfectly-constructed statements that indicate absolutely nothing of value or real promise.

I dunno... maybe I'm the weird one here. I just get this "Just smile and tell them what you think they want to hear." vibe. Nobody cares about that, Rich.

I do wonder what actually happened. Not breaking out the tinfoil. Just observing as a CEO steps down for unstated reasons and looking at the one stepping up as both chairmain and defacto indefinite CEO, wondering what he really thinks about the situation. When they don't say, you gotta wonder what it is they aren't saying, you know? What is it man? Just acknowledge it already. Stuff like this happens all of the time and there usually aren't a lot of details, but what specifically the person did is at least stated. And even if not, it tends to come out anyway. It's weird.

lynx29You have never worked in a prison like me. Within 3 months I knew for a fact my testosterone had skyrocketed, my behaviors had also changed a lot. Regardless, this is off-topic, so I am not going to post here anymore as I know mods don't like off-topic posts. Take care mates.

So... you work or did work in a correctional facility because a family member still works in correctionals and from what I've heard there treated as though there on vacation serving a sentence at least for Alaska.

lynx29Would we be any different if we were a high status Alpha Male? If I had billions in my bank and power as a CEO... and high testosterone that comes with that... would I, would you be any different? One could argue high testosterone makes men do stupid stuff all the time, and in order to be a high status Alpha, you have to have high testosterone... Bill Gates is the exception not the norm.

I feel sorry for people who aren't intelligent enough to see through all of that red pill/blue pill alpha/beta bullshit. Working in a prison probably plays a big part. All of those power and control games, that go on on a daily basis.

biffzinkerSo your the Sasquatch everyone's been searching for?

Yeah you might say I am a missing link lol. But there is already one here by the name of @Sasqui (for laughs bro)

Another "Brian".

timta2I feel sorry for people who aren't intelligent enough to see through all of that red pill/blue pill alpha/beta bullshit. Working in a prison probably plays a big part. All of those power and control games, that go on on a daily basis.

It's rarely about stupidity, sadly(?), but rather personal insecurity and feelings of inadequacy that the sociopaths running these movements latch onto and exploit. It's the same as most cults and extremist movements, really. Of course one might argue that believing stuff like this is in and of itself stupid, but being convinced of stupid s**t presented as the answer to all your worries when you're vulnerable and insecure is about as fundamentally human as behaviour gets. This is also why it's so hard to get these ideas out of people, as often a significant portion of their sense of self-worth and confidence are built upon this crap. Take away one, you take away the other - and that's scary to anyone. Stupidity would be far easier to alleviate.

But no doubt you're right about being affected by working in a US Prison having a lot to do with this. Being exposed to that ideology while spending 8 hours a day watching people run around in a hypermasculinized ultraviolent power struggle completely out of control would probably change one's behaviour quite significantly. Yet another reason for comprehensive reform of the US correctional system, I suppose.

robot zombieAm I the only one creeped out by the way these people talk? What kind of bullshit way to form a sentence is that? They're like walking resumes. Life is their resume. And so everything they say has to sound good on resumes or during briefings. I understand that it's a very serious situation, but you are conveying information to human beings. Like, regular people are reading these statements, man. When someone is talking to me like we are in a formal meeting or a job interview, I tend not to trust them. Clunky, generic, sound's-good statements likes this are the reason nobody like politicians. Nice sounding, perfectly-constructed statements that indicate absolutely nothing of value or real promise.

I dunno... maybe I'm the weird one here. I just get this "Just smile and tell them what you think they want to hear." vibe. Nobody cares about that, Rich.

I do wonder what actually happened. Not breaking out the tinfoil. Just observing as a CEO steps down for unstated reasons and looking at the one stepping up as both chairmain and defacto indefinite CEO, wondering what he really thinks about the situation. When they don't say, you gotta wonder what it is they aren't saying, you know? What is it man? Just acknowledge it already. Stuff like this happens all of the time and there usually aren't a lot of details, but what specifically the person did is at least stated. And even if not, it tends to come out anyway. It's weird.

Completely agree that the way they talk (write?) is completely creepy and unnatural, but remember, their audience is mainly investors and financial analysts, not normal people. Investors and financial analysts seem to be among the most easily scared creatures on the planet, running away screaming at even the slightest sign of danger to their money (if they had spirit animals, I'd imagine them as some sort of small, shivering rodent, sniffing the air and always on the verge of running away). As such, these statements are made to a) include as little emotion and humanity as possible, b) SHOUT that "we are maintaining the status quo, please don't run away", and c) hide any and all wrongdoing (whether ethical or legal) behind as much "our company is very successful and growing!" rhetoric as possible, as finances always beat out ethics or legality for the intended audience.

ValantarCompletely agree that the way they talk (write?) is completely creepy and unnatural, but remember, their audience is mainly investors and financial analysts, not normal people. Investors and financial analysts seem to be among the most easily scared creatures on the planet, running away screaming at even the slightest sign of danger to their money (if they had spirit animals, I'd imagine them as some sort of small, shivering rodent, sniffing the air and always on the verge of running away). As such, these statements are made to a) include as little emotion and humanity as possible, b) SHOUT that "we are maintaining the status quo, please don't run away", and c) hide any and all wrongdoing (whether ethical or legal) behind as much "our company is very successful and growing!" rhetoric as possible, as finances always beat out ethics or legality for the intended audience.

*shrugs* makes sense. Still creeps me out :p

robot zombie*shrugs* makes sense. Still creeps me out :p

Oh, absolutely. It's quite well established that (varying degrees of) sociopathy is more prevalent among corporate management, executives and the financial "industry". I suppose it's easier to be successful there if you don't have morals or empathy. But that doesn't make their culture and way of speaking any less terrifying. Creeps me out, for sure.

Best to attend company meetings wearing pants at all times.

voltageBest to attend company meetings wearing pants at all times.

That seems sensible, yes. One might even call it obvious, but I suppose you can never really know.

Who knows