R-T-BI suggest you do some homework. It's fact.

ValantarThe point being: biology is not - ever - a straight-forward, black-and-white thing.

GorbazTheDragon***Drama***

ValantarWait, so ever since ... say, 1997, there's been an even distribution of genders in game characters? 'Cause that's about the time when those technical limitations were gone for good. As for your argument about who is shot, I agree with you to a certain extent (at least as long as the women are portrayed as equally capable of fighting back as the men). You should look into the skin colors of in-game enemies, though. "Surprisingly" (yeah, not really), there's a massive disparity between the skin colors of "heroes" and "villains" through games history. I'm not "fine" with games portraying senseless violence of any kind (not least because those games tend to be incredibly boring and infantilizing towards the player while promoting dubious ideologies and ideas), and the systematic portrayal of men as ultra-violent macho idiots is deeply problematic.

RejZoRWhoever brought this diversity garbage into gaming industry should be hanged by the balls assuming they even have them. No one cares if you're a minority black transgender lesbian with one leg and dyslexia, that literally never was the point of gaming which used to be reserved for the dirty nerds coz it was too childish, but now everyone wants to have a pie of it coz its so fun. I also don't understand why they are obsessed with this notion that characters in games need to be a reflection of our real selves (that pushing for all inclusive disabled transgender female minority protagonists). Someone who has no legs probably appreciates that players in FIFA have a pair of healthy legs so they can run around because they can't in real life. And same goes for this "women and minority only" workshops. You can be dyslexic or missing both legs, but you maybe excel at composing music or doing texture designs. You don't need bloody special workshops. Studio will see your talent past your whatever disability if you prove yourself. And legs aren't mandatory for doing great music or textures or models...

Then again, Riot Games haven't released anything else notable other than LoL which makes it look like they got lucky at doing one thing. And then they'll fall into irrelevancy. This diversity nonsense won't help their case in the long run either...

Winter is coming, snowflakes are everywhere already...

ValantarI can't be bothered to repeat myself, so:

And how much of that can be attributed to the industry and related fields of study systematically excluding women for decades? Computer science was nearly all-female in the early days, until men realized software was as interesting as hardware (instead of boring "secretarial work" which it had been seen as until then), shut them out of schools and jobs (again: hiring bias is very real, and was far worse 20-30+ years ago, but even today men tend to overwhelmingly hire men, while hiring done by women is statistically far more evenly distributed), and started a decades-long push to give programming a masculine image. Interest isn't something you're born with, and the current demographic distribution among programmers isn't some spontaneous, "natural" happening. Nor is it "planned" in the sense that one person or a single group of people conspired to make it happen, but there has been exerted considerable effort and power by many, many people over these past decades towards promoting computer science and programming as a "male" activity.

Ah, I do love when people present oversimplified arguments. First off: to make this realistic, you'd have to say that the people currently making only vanilla or chocolate cakes control the vast majority of access to baking ingredients and investment/funding to start bakeries. Secondly, you're entirely ignoring the fact that actual, clear-cut, obvious, not-up-for-discussion discrimination has been rampant in this industry for years and years. This includes education, where people are taught how to ... bake. But this is classic conservative argumentation, entirely ignoring that people have different starting points in life and that inherent systematic bias in society gives some people preferential treatment simply because they were born into the right group. Attempting to level the playing field for those starting at a severe disadvantage does not in any way harm those who start at an advantage. Being treated as equals is not harm; losing privilege is not harm - it's fair. More to the point, if not being given preferential treatment is harmful, then you're actively admitting that anyone not a white, straight male has been systematically harmed up until now. Which is kind of the whole point?

ValantarWhile the philosophical debates on how gender is constructed, portrayed and performed are indeed extremely complex (as is fitting for such a fundamental aspect of our cultures), this is actually quite simple. "Binary gender" is the belief that there are two, and only two possible genders a person can have. Most of society is and has historically been organized around this (although there are quite a few notable historical departures from this). It's usually legitimized through biology, but when looking at actual facts, that's a very, very shaky basis - especially as the strict social limitations on how you can look, act, dress and so on don't have any link to biological sex whatsoever, and are ultimately completely arbitrary. Non-binary thus simply means someone who doesn't feel like they fit within either of these two definitions, and thus want to define for themselves how they want to look, act and portray themselves - regardless of societal expectations of them being "male" or "female". Given how limiting the binary gender system is to the freedom of all involved (this system exposes men to just as much internal justice as women, after all, and the gender policing of men is generally violent and hateful), I see this as a very good development towards a more free society.

lexluthermiesterGotta agree here. Biologically, there are only two genders. The human mental perspective is based on that and to varying degrees there are alterations, but in the end that is what we are, one or the other. The redefinitions of such by parts of society that do not understand disorder/dysfunction which causes confusion have in recent decades brought about the sociological questioning we see today. However in the end, biology wins. We are a species comprised of only two genders, no more, no less. Regardless of how many members of society want that fact to change, it will not.


Oh yes it is. Chromosomal variabilities are historically rare. They have only increased because of pollutants introduced into the environment by the activities of humanity, such as chemicals that do not occur in nature and massive amounts of radiation from nuclear activities that would normally not be present.

oxidizedThis sounds so much like BS

lexluthermiesterIf you're serious, then yes, completely.

Vayra86Well... popular written history says there are but two genders but the fact is that people are born with varying degrees of both genders too. They are exceptions but not as rare as many might think. The inverse is true: many transgenders are "made" to be a boy or girl at birth and it used to be commpn practice to never tell your child this medical treatment had occurred shortly after birth.

That is now changing, awareness is considered of greater value and it explains the 'sudden' rise in attention for varying degrees of male/female traits we all have.

That also provides a new perspective to positive discrimination of gender, I think.

RejZoRThe thing is, there are just 2 genders. And within those 2 you have various degrees of femininity and masculinity. How some women look masculine and men look feminine. But they are still one or the other, it's just aesthetics so to speak. Everything else outside of that are either physical or mental disorders. Of course people will jump on me how dare I say that, but it's just true.

atomicusThe mere notion that the thought of seriousness would even enter your head is deeply, deeply concerning.

Vayra86There are people that have lady parts but can't have children because they lack elements of it. And vice versa.

Vayra86Those people will be searching for their true self a whole lifetime and never succeed, until they come to terms with their 'mixed bag' identity.

Vayra86It helps them to know there is not a strict definition of gender, because otherwise they are always going to feel like outcasts.

Vayra86No, they're not 'still one or the other'. There are people that have lady parts but can't have children because they lack elements of it. And vice versa. Those people will be searching for their true self a whole lifetime and never succeed, until they come to terms with their 'mixed bag' identity. It helps them to know there is not a strict definition of gender, because otherwise they are always going to feel like outcasts.

It is only our society and the way we have created it that creates the discomfort and misunderstanding. Nature is known to create exceptions to the rule - its the way of evolution to 'attempt' different things and see if they stick/survive/thrive or even excel beyond the status quo. It is a very welcome, comforting mechanism because it means humanity will remain versatile.

cdawallWhat exactly did riot do wrong by trying to get a group into their office that doesn't normally apply?

FordGT90ConceptWhat Riot Games did doesn't really fit PAX.

RejZoRWhich is what I said. If you look at their chromosomes, they'll still have XX or XY. But if they can't reproduce, that's a disorder of some sort. Which is exactly what I mentioned.

lexluthermiesterGotta agree here. Biologically, there are only two genders.

RejZoRIf one has all the physical parts but they feel like the opposite gender (or no gender or whatever), that's a mental disorder.

RejZoREverybody's included. Except the devil white males...

FordGT90ConceptGenetic testing can give a definitive physiological answer. Hormonal testing can give a definitive psychological answer.

oxidizedCare to help a bit? I really fail to see how that is possible, but if you have some actual source on this, i'm glad to learn something.

Prima.VeraAnother proof that America (U.S.A for the rest of the world) it's the Nr.1 most racist and sexist country from all so called 1st and 2nd World Countries.
The retarded idiots promoting "political correctness" are doing more harm than good by involuntary discriminating the races, sexes or sexual orientation.
People never learn I guess...

BasardI find it funny how expressing opinions is generally not allowed--unless you're a minority. Also, expressing facts is extremely not allowed--no matter what.

FordGT90ConceptI would caution that those being disruptive about relatively minor things are being proactive.

R-T-BHonestly, I have been in that culture myself and while it has its faults, I see wayway more discrimination here in the attitudes presented than I ever wanted to see. It's outright painful to me to see.

RejZoRWhich is what I said. If you look at their chromosomes, they'll still have XX or XY. But if they can't reproduce, that's a disorder of some sort. Which is exactly what I mentioned.

If one has all the physical parts but they feel like the opposite gender (or no gender or whatever), that's a mental disorder. And even trans people who aren't overly sensitive snowflakes agree on that. That doesn't make them bad people, it's just that they have this condition.

cadavecaWith that said, I feel ya on that last comment, and so... I really feel this is a subject that doesn't belong here. Clearly the community here isn't capable of discussing this, and the topic is causing people to take sides, rather than bringing them together. I had always hoped TPU was a place that anyone could come to discuss their PC tech, and nothing else mattered, yet I see that is not happning.

JossI'm so tired of the PC brown shirts that I'm willing to retort with violence :mad: of the Medieval type ...

StrayKATThey're already miserable as it is

cadavecaThere used to be a time when your sexuality was private, and nobody else's concern. Now it's out in the public, and a big issue. Go figure. Maybe it was private for a reason?