It all comes down to the fact that Nintendo, with a $400 (cnd) console was able to out sell the PS3 and even the people who tried to make a $$$$ of the PS3 traded in there PS3's for Wii's when they could not sell it. The Computer Indstery has proved that not everyone can afford hi-end specs and there for they play on the low and the medium spectrium. At least Sony waited for Blueray to be rdy for there console so that people can use HDMI, someing the 360 does not have for its HD content. The Wii controler is new there for everyone thinks it will fail. The console market needed something new other then shinny colores and bright lights and Nintendo has done that. I own a Wii and i know from playing a 360 that my friends cant have anyware near as much fun playing on a controler VS the Wii-mote.

Sum it up:
Nintendo: aimed at makeing gameing fun for everyone, cleary they have done there job. Now they just have to keep doing what they have been doing for years and they will be fine.
Sony: went with Blueray and HD gameing hopeing for secess, shame it cost Us the consumer $800.
MS: Still does not have Halo for there Power PC in a smaller overheating Box, had more launch problems then Sony or Nintendo. They cant offer HDMI or HD-DVD in one package. There HDD on the top was a good idea and X-box live is one of the best online gameing systems to date.

Bob The FishIt all comes down to the fact that Nintendo, with a $400 (cnd) console was able to out sell the PS3 and even the people who tried to make a $$$$ of the PS3 traded in there PS3's for Wii's when they could not sell it. The Computer Indstery has proved that not everyone can afford hi-end specs and there for they play on the low and the medium spectrium. At least Sony waited for Blueray to be rdy for there console so that people can use HDMI, someing the 360 does not have for its HD content. The Wii controler is new there for everyone thinks it will fail. The console market needed something new other then shinny colores and bright lights and Nintendo has done that. I own a Wii and i know from playing a 360 that my friends cant have anyware near as much fun playing on a controler VS the Wii-mote.

Sum it up:
Nintendo: aimed at makeing gameing fun for everyone, cleary they have done there job. Now they just have to keep doing what they have been doing for years and they will be fine.
Sony: went with Blueray and HD gameing hopeing for secess, shame it cost Us the consumer $800.
MS: Still does not have Halo for there Power PC in a smaller overheating Box, had more launch problems then Sony or Nintendo. They cant offer HDMI or HD-DVD in one package. There HDD on the top was a good idea and X-box live is one of the best online gameing systems to date.

there is a new 360 coming later this year, with a 65nm for cooler cpu, hdmi...and still no clue on the built-in hd-dvd player...in addition to 120gb hdd and IPTV...a rumor price of 650 (might include the hd-dvd). Also promising games. the 360 is the better console in the long run.

LoL, it's funny how people try to defend the PS3, who don't even own the thing.

C.AshAnd then what do u use? The D-pad.. wich is the equivalent of the arrow keys.

Controllers are excellent for platformers because of their analog sticks.

I almost never touch the D-pad unless I am in menus or something like that. Digital control in a racing game is nothing but suck.

Bob The FishNintendo: aimed at makeing gameing fun for everyone, cleary they have done there job.

I have to disagree with you. I got rid of my Wii because I was not having fun with it. Personally I can only have so much fun playing nothing but mini-games using the, in all honesty, poor controller. If Nintendo would have made the controller accurate and responsive it might have been different, but as it is right now the controller simply doesn't function the way I think it needs to. Zelda was the only reason a really got the console, and in the end I was left with a bad taste in my mouth from both the game(it really was as good as I expected from a Zelda game) and the console. To many of their games rely on minigames, which can only be fun for so long.

Zelda has 1 mini game, and if you think it's bad, you must be different from 99.5% of people which like it(not just a guess). The remote is very accurate, in my opinion. And just because 3 of the 20 or so games out SO FAR right near the start of the console are based on mini games doesn't mean all wii games are.

I have to disagree with you. I got rid of my Wii because I was not having fun with it. Personally I can only have so much fun playing nothing but mini-games using the, in all honesty, poor controller. If Nintendo would have made the controller accurate and responsive it might have been different, but as it is right now the controller simply doesn't function the way I think it needs to. Zelda was the only reason a really got the console, and in the end I was left with a bad taste in my mouth from both the game(it really was as good as I expected from a Zelda game) and the console. To many of their games rely on minigames, which can only be fun for so long.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, my Mother who hates gameing was haveing a blast boaling, allong with her boyfriend. Seems to make games fun for everyone to me.

They are selling so well because of the price and because it includes a game :toast:

JoshmcmillanZelda has 1 mini game, and if you think it's bad, you must be different from 99.5% of people which like it(not just a guess). The remote is very accurate, in my opinion. And just because 3 of the 20 or so games out SO FAR right near the start of the console are based on mini games doesn't mean all wii games are.

I thought Zelda was a disappointment(then again I haven't really liked any of the 3d zelda games). The controls were clunky, and the game was just not entertaining to me. Saddly the controller setup is designed with nothing but these kiddy mini-games in mind, when it is used in any other format it become clunky and down right frustrating to use. Racing games are almost impossible to play with the controllers, they work OK when you are on the track and doing well, but the instant you lose control the controller becomes almost useless to try and get yourself going the right way again(Excite Truck and NFS:C both suffer heavily from this problem). I'm not saying that all the game are mini-game based, just the popular ones and the ones that the gimmicky controller relies on. If you think the controller is accurate then go play a game of Wii golf, were you can do a backswing and the club on the screen just sits there doing nothing, then you bring the controller back down to start again the the ball goes flying.

I was the biggest fan of Zelda on the face of the earth. I beat the original Zelda when I was 3 years old. Since playing Ocarina of Time (best game ever at the time) I have been waiting 10 years for another Zelda like it. Finally Twilight Princess comes out, and the controls are totally gay. I expected the sword to follow my movements. How cool would that have been? I played that game for 2 hrs then quit

If you look on any game rating site, then your opinion is different from most people that played the game. Zelda: Ocarina of time is STILL rated the best game of all time and nintendo have done just as good a job on twilight princess.

Well I guess I should just start basing my opinions on what others tell me they whould be(by the way, Mario Brothers, not Ocarina of Time, is usually at the top of every rating list). And the game is not more accurate than Gamecube version with a controller. The Wii controller system is extremely clunky and innaccurate, fast movements of any kind cause it to freak out and usually means it won't register any movement at all, which is not good for any type of action game.

Wii2 FTW

I can't disagree with the controller points raised here... I think it's bound to happen on a budget controller introducing a new design and whole set of new features. And I can't disagree that some of the games are fun for a few minutes but then become tiresome. And I can't disagree that the graphics are limited (compared to PS2 or X360).

But compare some of the early PS1 or PS2 games at launch with the games released at the end of their development lifecycle. Once the developers knew how to do stuff... had more experience... and tried new concepts... the games just got better (well, not all).

I think that the games for Wii will improve a great deal over the next 9 months. The developers, having seen how succesful the Wii is, are going BONKERS trying to write games/entertainment for the device.

And I think that nintendo have achieved a real strategic win... which will encourage them to invest in software, and upscale the Wii2 design a little. Fix the bugs. Add a little horsepower. Launch sooner. Can't wait.

I'm not sure if it was a mistake but you said the graphic of wii aren't as good as ps2 or xbox 360, I think you meant to say ps3 because wii has better graphics then a ps2 and xbox 1 but not as good as ps2 and xbox 360.

Just in defense of Z:OOT - It was the first game to receive a perfect score by Famitsu, and has continued to recieve perfects cores by sites such as IGN....

Wii isn't really childish either, its just not black, advertised with flames and telekinetic babies. It doesnt do those things (neither do the consoles that are advertised like that), it just plays games. The people that claim Nintendo is all 'childish' are the ones who cant hold attention longer than goldfish and scream at their computer in CSS, then go play Halo 2 and sniper everyone with their skillzzzz just before asking for money to buy a ps3 cuz all their frendz got 1.

If you look on this site:
www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp?rankings=y
which has an average of a lot of sites for game rankings, in the top 6 there is 1 game that isn't made for a nintendo console, number 1 is ocarina of time for nintendo 64, 2 is soul caliber for dreamcast, 3 is metroid prime for gamecube, 4 is resident evil for gamecube, 5 is goldeneye for nintendo 64, 6 is mario 64 for nintendo 64. If you look at the site in the next 4 there is 1 xbox, 1 pc, 1 ps1 and 1 ps2. So that makes the record for the top ten games of all time:

Nintendo- 5
Sony- 2
Xbox- 1
Dreamcase- 1
PC- 1

And for those who think twilight princess is a bad game, then your obviously not like most people because twilight princess came 16th.

newtekie1The Wii controller system is extremely clunky and innaccurate, fast movements of any kind cause it to freak out and usually means it won't register any movement at all, which is not good for any type of action game.

how fast are you moving the damn thing?? we were playing Sports, and it registered even the oddest of motions. I'll agree, that sometimes, if you're making very large range of motion moves, it might not register, but unless I whip the controller as fast as I can, it will register...how fast do you want it to respond?? if you were playing an fps, and it was that sensitive, the smallest motion could completely spin you around. I'm waiting for an FPS on this console that can show us exactly what we've been waiting for. Metroid's controls are supposedly just that.

Not that fast, like I said, even the simple movement of a quick backswing in Wii Golf causes the motion capture system to freak out and not register any movements. In racing games, you can turn the controller left to take a big turn, and suddenly the car is turning right. In Wii Tennis you can swing at a ball coming toward you and it won't register you swung at all. There was more than on occasion in Twilight Princess where I was swinging the Wiimote frantically fighting and it would only take every other swing, sometime I would have to swing 3 or 4 times just to get Link to swing once in the game. Perhaps I am just quicker than your average 5 year old, and the system just simply wasn't made to register such quick movements, but those quick movements are required for action games like Zelda, so it is a huge flaw.

JoshmcmillanAnd for those who think twilight princess is a bad game, then your obviously not like most people because twilight princess came 16th.

Well I have a few problems with Gamerankings.com. The first on is that they only rate games from 2000 or newer. So none of the classics are even considered. Secondly, Twilight Princess came in 16th, but Wind Waker came in 19th, and that is arguably the worst Zelda game there ever was(with the exception of Zelda 2), Zelda fans still argue about how bad Wind Waker was. So the fact that Twilight Princess came in only 3 spots ahead of (arguably) the worse Zelda game ever isn't helping your argument that most people liked it. I will agree that the majority of people that played it probably like it, but I didn't, and I was rather disappointed that I bought a system for the game and it wasn't that good. However, I would not agree that most or a large majority found it as good as they hoped, or even half as good as they hoped. I think it is more split like Wind Waker, my guess would be about 60% liked it, while 40% didn't, while Wind Waker is more like 50/50.

computer :nutkick: consol

more usefull
by the time you need a bd/hd-dvd drive they will be cheap(same as with dvd)
better overall games, im not saying some consol games arent fun, but the only kind of games on consol i like are fight games and coop shooters(halo coop is fun)

PC:
RTS
RPG
FPS
MMORPG
ACTION
TFPS(tactical fps)
MECH
sidescroll (yeah is an older format but still fun :) )
building(games like the tycoon seirse)
sim games(sim city class of games)
race games (with gamepad or joystick, but best with wheel)
flight sims(same as above)

consol:
spots games(eww)
fight games(better 1:1 with xbx style gamepad)
race games(best with wheel on a pc tho)
cheesy kid games.

also my pc can do somethings the consols cant,

surf the net and post on forums, print or safe stuff i find
do work such as typing up reports/papers
play music
play any format of movie/video i could wish to watch.
downloadable game and program content, free and pay.

and the biggist one, ITS FULLY UPGRADEABLE!!!!! i can slap new parts in anytime i like/can afford to improve it in many ways :)

Wii is made for kids as was the gamecube, nintendo has alwase been about KIDS FIRST, thats just how they are, sega use to be more adult/older kid orented, but since they commited suicide by not giving the dreamcast dvd playback its been left to sony and ms to take over the older player market, neither has done a perfect job but i would take an xbx over anything sony makes just because i know its gonna get better support from the maker.

ms sees something on the horizion that many of you arent seeing, a day when consol games and pc games will be out at the same time and in numbers, i dont like vista but dx10 is a move to allow EASY ports from pc to consol or consol to pc, smart move ms, tho honestly a few game engines already allow this, check out torque game engine ;)

i personaly would rather buy/upgrade a pc then buy a consol, it can do ALOT more then just play some cheesy games :)

I like RPGs on consoles personally and sports games. I think the Wii will continue to do well. I just hope they get more software support for it, and not just from Nintendo. Brother and I were at Gamestop and checking out Sonic for the DS, Wii and Xbox360. That game looks beautiful and fun on all three consoles. I played the Wii and I like it, but its a gimmick. Good thing is, you can buy an SNES style control pad for the Wii, when you get bored with the Wiimote and Nunchuku.

On a different note, Id like to see Fire Emblem come to the Wii with a few games. I dont know about you all, but I love that game.

Something I have noticed, and probebly is the reason people are complaining about the remote not recognising movement is that you have to have the wiimote in 1 angle in the game. Like in tennis you couldn't hold the wiimote upside down or it wouldn't register the movement, but in golf it allows you to hold it on it's side. You are COMPLETELY wrong if you think that gamerankings only rates games from 2000 and newer when just in the top ten there is zelda ocarina of time which was 1996, mario 64 which was from around 1995 to 96(I think) but only like 2 or 3 games on 64 games out after 2000and gamerankings has a lot of games from the console. Also they have games from playstation 1 which also came out before 2000. And with wind waker many people thought it was a good game it just doesn't compare to the previous two zelda titles on the 64. And also your figures that half people don't like wind waker and 40% don't like twilight princess, that is definitely wrong. IF you go onto a console gaming site like ign.com and look at the forums there 95% of people would LOVE twilight princess. Most people here wouln't have played it, being a computer site.

JoshmcmillanYou are COMPLETELY wrong if you think that gamerankings only rates games from 2000 and newer when just in the top ten there is zelda ocarina of time which was 1996, mario 64 which was from around 1995 to 96(I think) but only like 2 or 3 games on 64 games out after 2000and gamerankings has a lot of games from the console. Also they have games from playstation 1 which also came out before 2000. And with wind waker many people thought it was a good game it just doesn't compare to the previous two zelda titles on the 64.

Sorry I should have said that they don't rate any classic games, and not put an actual date. There are some pre-2000 games on the list, however I don't see a single NES or SNES game. Which is my point, you can't have a valid all time game ranking site and exlude two of the most popular consoles ever, and you certainly can't use that site to claim anything about how popular games are.

JoshmcmillanAnd also your figures that half people don't like wind waker and 40% don't like twilight princess, that is definitely wrong. IF you go onto a console gaming site like ign.com and look at the forums there 95% of people would LOVE twilight princess. Most people here wouln't have played it, being a computer site.

No, I don't think they are wrong, I think they are pretty accurate, not exact, but as good as any other guess. And just because this is a computer site doesn't mean we haven't played games. Computer geek and Video games tend to go along together very well.

newtekie1Not that fast, like I said, even the simple movement of a quick backswing in Wii Golf causes the motion capture system to freak out and not register any movements. In racing games, you can turn the controller left to take a big turn, and suddenly the car is turning right. In Wii Tennis you can swing at a ball coming toward you and it won't register you swung at all. There was more than on occasion in Twilight Princess where I was swinging the Wiimote frantically fighting and it would only take every other swing, sometime I would have to swing 3 or 4 times just to get Link to swing once in the game. Perhaps I am just quicker than your average 5 year old, and the system just simply wasn't made to register such quick movements, but those quick movements are required for action games like Zelda, so it is a huge flaw.

I guess you got a semi-defective unit, my cousins registers everything...he can basically make the game do whatever he wants. If the quick movements are required, and the games can't read them, then the system is flawed, however, it makes more sense that you're not using it correctly. I never had an issue with the controller in Twilight princess, the sword only swings so fast, you swinging back and forth franticly wouldn't really get much out of Link. Guess you just got a bad unit?

JoshMcmillian: Quit saying Newtekie1 is wrong all the time, unless you have links to legitimate sources to back up your claims. Otherwise, I'm going to start giving you infractions for insulting him. You've been reported once already....why do you think there's a "last edited by ME" signature under some of your posts?

wii controlers are the way they are because so many stupid people move the controls thinking its gonna help move whats on the screen, so nintendo figuared "why not use it" lol

i remmber playing mario brothers games against my aunt she moved her arns so much it was funny, guess she thought moving the contorler up would make mario jump higher, or farther so he wouldnt fall and die :P

again a time when things are changed to take advantege of the weak minded :P

and zek, i agree, i think somebodys stalking somebody....not good......asking for an infraction

AshenSugarWii is made for kids as was the gamecube, nintendo has alwase been about KIDS FIRST, thats just how they are, sega use to be more adult/older kid orented, but since they commited suicide by not giving the dreamcast dvd playback its been left to sony and ms to take over the older player market, neither has done a perfect job but i would take an xbx over anything sony makes just because i know its gonna get better support from the maker.

To say that the company is "kids first" focused is highly ignorant. Please use some tact, support your opinions with real examples.