they need this badly since soon we will get 5000 series APUs with Zen 3, so Intel needs the extra IPC of TigerLake to fight.
In any case, 5000 series will be more powerful and efficient so...

AleksandarKIntel's Tiger Lake CPU is a Willow Cove based design manufactured on Intel's 10 nm

So..... just exactly how many "pluses" (+++++) can we look forward to for the 10nm node ????

If they milk it out like they have/are doing with 14nm, then it should still be around until at least 2051 or so, hahahaha :roll:

Hopefully by then, team Red will be on Zen 108 or so, and will far surpass all other platforms so much that this intel-wuusy nonsense will just be a sad, sad memory/footnote in most peoples minds...

Two dies... and they are not even GLUED TOGHETER!!! lol

Let's hope SuperFin won't turn into La Fin. ;)

The most interesting thing will be the TDP.

There are no bad products, only bad prices.

As of now, I suppose Tiger lake justify its existence by better OEM support and processor availability, and potentially better pricing when bundled with Intel dGPU.

Unfortunately, Zen 3 will likely squish it so hard that it become Cat lake.

Is this the gaming SKU or the same U series but with higher Core and SMT ? Anyways both are garbage, I have a socketed notebook and have seen horrors of that market from the BGA soldering, crappy UWP drivers, No Undervolting possible esp with both AMD and Intel, Intel Microcode patches break the CPU tweaking, out of box they are having high voltage and with the new Win10 WaaS garbage forced uCode ruins it bad, then you have BIOSes which prevent you to roll back, this exists in one of the top Mobile workstation - Alienware Area 51M R1, it has an LGA socket but DRAM is limited speed, GPU is propreitary socketed (useless since it's DGFF form factor) just go to Unclewebb's TS page you'll see nightmares for people using these CPUs. COMPLETE GARBAGE. AMD processors have TDP Locks, and fine tuning is impossible, yeah PGA CPUs.

I just mention to people anyone expecting any sort of high performance desktop replacements just do not buy the mobile platforms. Ngreedia GPUs are also power starved, AMD never had any competitive product with 7970M MXM. Only option for those really into the mobile - Clevo with a custom sBIOS Mod, still Heatsinks are a pain & pricing is bonkers. I want an upgrade of 1070 in MXM b, it costs frigging 470USD. The price of new Ampere GPUs which destroy it completely.

FabioTwo dies... and they are not even GLUED TOGHETER!!! lol

I mean... they are. In the sense that they are on the same chip, using an interconnect.

I'm considering this 8core Tiger Lake-H CPU to replace my 4th gen laptop. I know this is a part OEMs are badly waiting for, to produce their next gen high performance gaming laptops. It is designed to be paired with discrete GPUs. It will sell like hot cakes. AMD cannot produce enough Zen 3 APUs to outsell this.

FabioTwo dies... and they are not even GLUED TOGHETER!!! lol

What do the two dies consist of? Is this an off-die cache or GPU?

Had they scaled this to desktop, I wouldn't even consider the 5950x for my ITX build. Willowcove cores stronk!

FabioTwo dies... and they are not even GLUED TOGHETER!!! lol

I got some old Elmers glue they can have.

MikeMurphyWhat do the two dies consist of? Is this an off-die cache or GPU?

The second die is the PCH (Platform Controller Hub.) Have the same two dies on a package in the Acer C720 Chromebook with a Haswell Celeron dual core.

The PCH has Wi-Fi 6 built-in.

Ashtr1xIs this the gaming SKU or the same U series but with higher Core and SMT ? Anyways both are garbage, I have a socketed notebook and have seen horrors of that market from the BGA soldering, crappy UWP drivers, No Undervolting possible esp with both AMD and Intel, Intel Microcode patches break the CPU tweaking, out of box they are having high voltage and with the new Win10 WaaS garbage forced uCode ruins it bad, then you have BIOSes which prevent you to roll back, this exists in one of the top Mobile workstation - Alienware Area 51M R1, it has an LGA socket but DRAM is limited speed, GPU is propreitary socketed (useless since it's DGFF form factor) just go to Unclewebb's TS page you'll see nightmares for people using these CPUs. COMPLETE GARBAGE. AMD processors have TDP Locks, and fine tuning is impossible, yeah PGA CPUs.

I just mention to people anyone expecting any sort of high performance desktop replacements just do not buy the mobile platforms. Ngreedia GPUs are also power starved, AMD never had any competitive product with 7970M MXM. Only option for those really into the mobile - Clevo with a custom sBIOS Mod, still Heatsinks are a pain & pricing is bonkers. I want an upgrade of 1070 in MXM b, it costs frigging 470USD. The price of new Ampere GPUs which destroy it completely.

Mobile gpu's with mxm form have always been expensive and they keep their value over the years.

bonehead123So..... just exactly how many "pluses" (+++++) can we look forward to for the 10nm node ????

As Moore's law has slowed down due to getting ever closer to the atomic wall, we can expect several.

Considering how Tiger Lake U is trading blows with Ryzen 4xxxU, while having almost twice as big TDP, I'll still go for AMD, cause 5xxx APUs are coming next year. And same notebooks with "A" brand are usually cheaper.

biffzinkerThe second die is the PCH (Platform Controller Hub.) Have the same two dies on a package in the Acer C720 Chromebook with a Haswell Celeron dual core.

The PCH has Wi-Fi 6 built-in.

WiFi? You mean the baseband part of it or there are also antennae connectors on that chip?

The Mac side of the WiFi chip is in there (called CNVi) and it has a special interface to the M.2 port where you can install a CRF card (companion RF like AX201) which is the RF part that has the radio part, antennas, etc.