I pray INTEL keeps up the lack of innovation and competitiveness while AMD continues to pile up the wins. We need this stagnation right now to even out the playing field and increase the market share that AMD deserves for not milking their consumers.

NeuralNexusI pray INTEL keeps up the lack of innovation and competitiveness while AMD continues to pile up the wins. We need this stagnation right now to even out the playing field and increase the market share that AMD deserves for not milking their consumers.

I don't agree with Your conclusions their illusionary, few times in the past has such innovation been present ,this isn't stagnation ,not at all.
And AMD milk just fine or did you not see the 57/6700 msrp or the 6900 or well.

larger "high performance" cores that remain dormant when the machine is idling or dealing with lightweight workloads

Yeah, I don't like where this is going. The whole point of Speedshift and CPPC2 in recent years was to make desktop processors more responsive and closer to mobile processors and thus more attractive and great to use. I don't care how far these Atoms have come, this new "bring the big cores only for heavy loads" runs contrary to the whole objective of revitalizing desktop processors.

And it'll have been that cursed abomination that was Lakefield that started it all. Intel needs raw performance, and this whole philosophy of power-gating the big cores in 95% of tasks is anything but.

NeuralNexuswe need this stagnation right now

NeuralNexusAMD deserves for not milking their consumers.

hahaha what are you smoking, can I have the name of your dealer

AMD doesn't "deserve" shit. Ryzen 5000 pricing says hi, and that's only a preview of what's to come. They are perfectly capable of continuing their highly successful business without you shilling for them lmao

NeuralNexusI pray INTEL keeps up the lack of innovation and competitiveness while AMD continues to pile up the wins. We need this stagnation right now to even out the playing field and increase the market share that AMD deserves for not milking their consumers.

Yikes, that sounds like something a bunch of people would say in 2016 and 2017. In 2016, I honestly was tired of the prices being mostly the same for 4/8.

tabascosauzYeah, I don't like where this is going. The whole point of Speedshift and CPPC2 in recent years was to make desktop processors more responsive and closer to mobile processors and thus more attractive and great to use. I don't care how far these Atoms have come, this new "bring the big cores only for heavy loads" runs contrary to the whole objective of revitalizing desktop processors.

And it'll have been that cursed abomination that was Lakefield that started it all. Intel needs raw performance, and this whole philosophy of power-gating the big cores in 95% of tasks is anything but.




hahaha what are you smoking, can I have the name of your dealer

AMD doesn't "deserve" shit. Ryzen 5000 pricing says hi, and that's only a preview of what's to come. They are perfectly capable of continuing their highly successful business without you shilling for them lmao

Personally I hate that AMD had to spin off their fabs in the first place, we wouldn't be in such a drought if all the best silicon didn't come out of Taiwan. I mean good for Taiwan but we will be a lot better off if AMD were as profitable as Intel and might be able to re-invest in cutting edge fabs in the US and Europe again, but that won't happen if they undercut themselves for the sake of charity. They should have priced the 5950X at $999 IMO, it would still be completely sold out and still worth it relative to Intel. They *have* to take advantage of the times they're in the lead or they stand no chance in the long run.

BArmsPersonally I hate that AMD had to spin off their fabs in the first place, we wouldn't be in such a drought if all the best silicon didn't come out of Taiwan. I mean good for Taiwan but we will be a lot better off if AMD were as profitable as Intel and might be able to re-invest in cutting edge fabs in the US and Europe again, but that won't happen if they undercut themselves for the sake of charity. They should have priced the 5950X at $999 IMO, it would still be completely sold out and still worth it relative to Intel. They *have* to take advantage of the times they're in the lead or they stand no chance in the long run.

Meanwhile Intel is cutting the price of their cpu's.

Why_MeMeanwhile Intel is cutting the price of their cpu's.

I'm sure they will also have a price advantage on Meteor Lake, Intel chose to utilize 7nm node while everyone else is switching to 5nm :D

"2023" ahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahah

Different components of the processor will be fabricated on different kinds of silicon fabrication nodes, and interconnected on the package using GLUE

the year is 2023 and Intel has to swallow their pride and go chiplet, the very thing the ridiculed before

Weird though all this hyping of future products before the upcoming product is even released yet....heck the 11th series is....barely, out yet.

AthloniteDifferent components of the processor will be fabricated on different kinds of silicon fabrication nodes, and interconnected on the package using GLUE

Intel would never think about using glue now, would they? I mean, they mocked AMD for it after all...

TheLostSwedeIntel would never think about using glue now, would they? I mean, they mocked AMD for it after all...

Intel has a long history of using glue to make their CPUs , in recent years their engineers started sniffing it instead of using to make CPUs.

TheoneandonlyMrKI don't agree with Your conclusions their illusionary, few times in the past has such innovation been present ,this isn't stagnation ,not at all.
And AMD milk just fine or did you not see the 57/6700 msrp or the 6900 or well.

While I might agree with you, intel's anti-competitive practices in the early days of Athlon/Athlon64 needs to be paid off. Don't say Intel paid 1 billion or so to compensate, not even 5 billion will be enough seeing how bad the situation AMD was for several years, if intel didn't play dirty back then we as consumers will be in a much better situation where the fair competition will force innovations to our benefit, and to the whole world also.

At least now, AMD is enjoying increasing market share because of their innovation while intel's greed to stop innovating for few years just because they were the market leader and their roots in every corporate and market is just paying off now. They need to pay for what they did which harmed the innovation and technology and badly reflected on the market, not just for consumers but also prosumers and servers/workstations. They could do more but they chose not to because they were making money without spending more on R&D.
And the good thing is, AMD is getting market share because of their innovation and good products, not because of un-fair practices like how intel done before.

Why_MeMeanwhile Intel is cutting the price of their cpu's.

Simply because they are inferior to AMD right now...

Lord_SothSimply because they are inferior to AMD right now...

they are pretty much inferior to their own processors....or is it not the 11th series that is getting price cuts? because otherwise....yikez

WTF? :kookoo:

AusWolf

WTF? :kookoo:

They'll use different processes for different parts of that new CPU design, just like Ryzens do use different process nodes for the IO die.

ncrsThey'll use different processes for different parts of that new CPU design, just like Ryzens do use different process nodes for the IO die.

I guess they realized that using "glue" isn't always a bad thing.

TheoneandonlyMrKI don't agree with Your conclusions their illusionary, few times in the past has such innovation been present ,this isn't stagnation ,not at all.
And AMD milk just fine or did you not see the 57/6700 msrp or the 6900 or well.

GPUs aside...there was no way AMD would have offered that level of performance is deeply discounted prices compared to Ampere. AMD is not a charity case and I this argument becomes a bit redundant when customers pay whatever price Nvidia asks for.

tabascosauzYeah, I don't like where this is going. The whole point of Speedshift and CPPC2 in recent years was to make desktop processors more responsive and closer to mobile processors and thus more attractive and great to use. I don't care how far these Atoms have come, this new "bring the big cores only for heavy loads" runs contrary to the whole objective of revitalizing desktop processors.

And it'll have been that cursed abomination that was Lakefield that started it all. Intel needs raw performance, and this whole philosophy of power-gating the big cores in 95% of tasks is anything but.




hahaha what are you smoking, can I have the name of your dealer

AMD doesn't "deserve" shit. Ryzen 5000 pricing says hi, and that's only a preview of what's to come. They are perfectly capable of continuing their highly successful business without you shilling for them lmao

I have a 5900X that I am perfectly fine with. I don't upgrade every year, so I was content with the price to performance for these processors. Go cry a river to someone else that loves sucking off INTEL.

NeuralNexusGo cry a river to someone else that loves sucking off INTEL.

Where is the sucking off Intel part? All I see are

I'll stick with my future proof 10700kf until intel sells a 6 or 7ghz cpu no need to buy rebrands over and over again

NeuralNexusGPUs aside...there was no way AMD would have offered that level of performance is deeply discounted prices compared to Ampere. AMD is not a charity case and I this argument becomes a bit redundant when customers pay whatever price Nvidia asks for.



I have a 5900X that I am perfectly fine with. I don't upgrade every year, so I was content with the price to performance for these processors. Go cry a river to someone else that loves sucking off INTEL.

What you on about , where did I imply AMD were a charity case.
I'm a tech fan not AMD bro.
Nor an Intel bro.

And AMD slid the price up it's simple to see while intel are all over the show(price wise) and Nvidia mock the community, simple.

But my original actual point, Innovation is rampant in the tech world not stagnating as you said.

psoutrageI'll stick with my future proof 10700kf until intel sells a 6 or 7ghz cpu no need to buy rebrands over and over again

Yeh go you, proper dreamy drivel that ,well worth you joining.

Lord_SothSimply because they are inferior to AMD right now...

Or AMD's production and supply chain is inferior to Intel's.

I didn't see any improvement in Intel CPU since ... 3000 series ? then it was only "tick" and no "tok" 3-5% each gen with +5% on price.
Seriously it's like Intel didn't move a finger for the last 6 years.

I don't care anymore about Intel Roadmap, there's a new fancy one every month, like "we did something, look look, a Powerpoint !". I switched from Intel (i7 860) to AMD (R7 3700X) because they were just the best atm. And still are for a couple of years at least I think.
I didn't upgrade because AMD wasn't there at the time and Intel wasn't doing anything serious like AMD is doing right now.