Thursday, February 1st 2024

NVIDIA Readying H20 AI GPU for Chinese Market

NVIDIA's H800 AI GPU was rolled out last year to appease the Sanction Gods—but later on, the US Government deemed the cutdown "Hopper" part to be far too potent for Team Green's Chinese enterprise customers. Last October, newly amended export conditions banned sales of the H800, as well as the slightly older (plus similarly gimped) A800 "Ampere" GPU in the region. NVIDIA's engineering team returned to the drawing board, and developed a new range of compliantly weakened products. An exclusive Reuters report suggests that Team Green is taking pre-orders for a refreshed "Hopper" GPU—the latest China-specific flagship is called "HGX H20." NVIDIA web presences have not been updated with this new model, as well as Ada Lovelace-based L20 PCIe and L2 PCIe GPUs. Huawei's competing Ascend 910B is said to be slightly more performant in "some areas"—when compared to the H20—according to insiders within the distribution network.

The leakers reckon that NVIDIA's mainland distributors will be selling H20 models within a price range of $12,000 - $15,000—Huawei's locally developed Ascend 910B is priced at 120,000 RMB (~$16,900). One Reuters source stated that: "some distributors have started advertising the (NVIDIA H20) chips with a significant markup to the lower end of that range at about 110,000 yuan ($15,320). The report suggests that NVIDIA refused to comment on this situation. Another insider claimed that: "distributors are offering H20 servers, which are pre-configured with eight of the AI chips, for 1.4 million yuan. By comparison, servers that used eight of the H800 chips were sold at around 2 million yuan when they were launched a year ago." Small batches of H20 products are expected to reach important clients within the first quarter of 2024, followed by a wider release in Q2. It is believed that mass production will begin around Spring time.
NVIDIA enjoyed 90% AI GPU market dominance last year, but many "domestic" rivals have emerged with competing solutions that (naturally) escape international trade restrictions. Reuters tracked down an anonymous technical expert, with alleged intimate knowledge of performance data: "Huawei's 910B chip is widely considered (to be) the most competitive AI offering now available within China and has become more popular amid concern that buyers could be faced with further restricted access to NVIDIA's products resulting from U.S. sanctions...In terms of specifications, one example of where the H20 appears to lag the 910B in its FP32 performance—a critical metric that measures how quickly a chip can process common tasks and which is rated at less than half of its rival's capability...However, the H20 appears to have an advantage over the 910B in terms of interconnect speed, which measures how quickly data can transfer between chips...That means the H20 remains competitive with the 910B in applications that require linking a large number of chips together to work as a system, he said."
Sources: Reuters, Dan Nystedt Tweet, Wccftech, Tom's Hardware
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11 Comments on NVIDIA Readying H20 AI GPU for Chinese Market

#1
PerfectWave
why they dont sell the rtx 1650 with tensor core? :roll:
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Dr. Dro
PerfectWavewhy they dont sell the rtx 1650 with tensor core? :roll:
Because AMD fans in tech forums will then screech in righteous anger that they're bypassing some export controls and are therefore traitorous devils? I heard that one a few times as it is

But for a serious answer, this is simply a compliance product release, and I have a feeling that this will come down to bite the West back quite hard in the mid-term future. They (and also AMD and Intel) also offer low-end accelerators for those who demand them. There's an AD104-based L4 that runs on slot power and has a single slot cooling solution

www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/l4.c4091
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kapone32
Dr. DroBecause AMD fans in tech forums will then screech in righteous anger that they're bypassing some export controls and are therefore traitorous devils? I heard that one a few times as it is
Do you not understand what the Gravity is in the World today? That comment makes it seem like the US Govt was bad for sanctioning a card that could be used for Military purposes. It is so ignorant that you try to make this issue a Matchbox vs Hot Wheels moment. All this post does is confirm how Greedy Nvidia is to always trying to move the Goal Posts to make people like you think that these sanctions are happening for no other reason than to punish Nvidia.
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Dr. Dro
kapone32Do you not understand what the Gravity is in the World today? That comment makes it seem like the US Govt was bad for sanctioning a card that could be used for Military purposes. It is so ignorant that you try to make this issue a Matchbox vs Hot Wheels moment. All this post does is confirm how Greedy Nvidia is to always trying to move the Goal Posts to make people like you think that these sanctions are happening for no other reason than to punish Nvidia.
The original 1996 PlayStation has enough computing power to control and drive an ICBM. If it really came down to that, a simple GTX 1650 is indeed a murder factory. This is simply a geopolitical game in order to claim that "one country is ahead of the other technologically", that's about it.
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kapone32
Dr. DroThe original 1996 PlayStation has enough computing power to control and drive an ICBM. If it really came down to that, a simple GTX 1650 is indeed a murder factory. This is simply a geopolitical game in order to claim that "one country is ahead of the other technologically", that's about it.
Yes but not AI, for a drone to have the entire NATO Military vehicles and know to attack them a PS is not strong enough. Saddam bought how many to shoot his gun?
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Dr. Dro
kapone32Yes but not AI, for a drone to have the entire NATO Military vehicles and know to attack them a PS is not strong enough. Saddam bought how many to shoot his gun?
It can do more than just that, they use a MIPS R3000-based CPU in the New Horizons space probe:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoose-V

These GPUs are primarily intended for LLMs and research, as I mentioned before the sole objective here is to ensure that the US retains a supercomputer dominance over China and Russia by restricting the amount per-unit and per-node computing power. The only problem with these two countries is that if you squeeze them tight enough, they eventually leapfrog all expectation and turn out to be more than just competitive on their own. The secrets of high-end semiconductors are a tough nut to crack, but it can be done.
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Minus Infinity
Feds are hopefully waiting for Huang to get a warehouse full of the hardware and then ban them as the ship arrives to load them.

What's the point of these tech restrictions when scumbags can easily bypass them with minor tweaks.
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#8
mechtech
But if it had game drivers and a video output..................could it play Crysis??

Dr. DroThe original 1996 PlayStation has enough computing power to control and drive an ICBM. If it really came down to that, a simple GTX 1650 is indeed a murder factory. This is simply a geopolitical game in order to claim that "one country is ahead of the other technologically", that's about it.
I prefer 0.......old school mechanical
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Inertial_Reference_Sphere
www.twz.com/30254/this-isnt-a-sci-fi-prop-its-a-doomsday-navigator-for-americas-biggest-cold-war-icbm
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#10
thesmokingman
This is like jensen with his leftover bread crust sopping up all the sauce just to make sure.
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#11
theouto
I find it criminal that no one pointed out "Sanction Gods"
I love it.
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