Would you pay the extra $80 to grab an RTX 4070 Ti over the $600 RTX 4070 SUPER?

Not for a Ventus I wouldn’t. That cooler is entirely insufficient for a 4070Ti and I would prefer my card to run at least reasonably cool. Sure, can be undervolted, but at that point you’re in the 4070S performance territory anyway, so much of muchness.

"retailers found an opportunity to clear an inventory"?

It's a complete mess, and inventories are still full of non - Super cards. RTX 4080 non super is still more available, and even more expensive than the "faster, but actually no" RTX 4080 Super. Nvidia shows record income in Gaming, but here in Europe it looks like dust is collecting on all the boxes.

It just looks retailers and AIB partners got screwed with this lacklustre mid-generation release, and in this economy nobody cares about gaming cards at such prices, while Nvidia juggles with income from AI hardware sales.

Bwaze"retailers found an opportunity to clear an inventory"?

It's a complete mess, and inventories are still full of non - Super cards. RTX 4080 non super is still more available, and even more expensive than the "faster, but actually no" RTX 4080 Super. Nvidia shows record income in Gaming, but here in Europe it looks like dust is collecting on all the boxes.

It just looks retailers and AIB partners got screwed with this lacklustre mid-generation release, and in this economy nobody cares about gaming cards at such prices, while Nvidia juggles with income from AI hardware sales.

also, people who bought 30 series during the pandemic with eye watering gpu prices most likely wont fork out more money for 40 series... ( the upgrade differences doesnt justify the prices asking)

The prices at Scan in the UK have come down for the 4070ti, but the 4080 situation is laughable. There are three refurbished cards in that list, two of which are more expensive than the Supers. :kookoo:

Oh look a 5% discount on a 40±10% overpriced product :nutkick:

BwazeNvidia shows record income in Gaming, but here in Europe it looks like dust is collecting on all the boxes.

Nvidia has been chalking up AI sales into Gaming too, they pulled the same stunt with crypto sales. Clearly people buying hundreds of 3080s at once weren't gamers, same for people buying hundreds of 4090s.

They got a very very minor slap on the wrist for it.

btarunrWould you pay the extra $80 to grab an RTX 4070 Ti over the $600 RTX 4070 SUPER?

I would not. In a matter of a year, there will be $500 options destroying either GPU. And I'm in no hurry whatsoever.

For 4070 Ti to be really tasty, its price should plummet to <500 USD. Alas, neither NV nor AMD move in this direction fast enough.

Nah I wait for GB205 6656-8192 shaders at 399, 4060 Ti successor

FiredropsNvidia has been chalking up AI sales into Gaming too, they pulled the same stunt with crypto sales. Clearly people buying hundreds of 3080s at once weren't gamers, same for people buying hundreds of 4090s.

They got a very very minor slap on the wrist for it.

I don't think they got anything, wasn't the lawsuit from the shareholders regarding crypto revenue shenanigans completely dismissed?

the54thvoidThe prices at Scan in the UK have come down for the 4070ti, but the 4080 situation is laughable. There are three refurbished cards in that list, two of which are more expensive than the Supers. :kookoo:

4080 in my country never come down in price at all, 4080S are 300-400usd cheaper than 4080 after VAT, basically they still sell at MSRPs.

No.


I don't see this as an "opportunity." I see this as a bad product (for the price) being discounted to try and move it as a slightly less bad product at a much higher price comes in as the new standard.

I'm hoping that Nvidia gets kicked in the shins...and these don't move. They'll chalk it up as a loss, hide it behind AI, and pretend that this generation wasn't a hot mess. I see another series failing to launch with the 5000 series rumors...and a saturation of the AI market causing a crash back to reasonable price to performance in the next 2 years...but is it going to suck until then. They learned nothing from Crypto...and I'm actually praying that Intel is the company who cuts the feet out from under both AMD and Nvidia to deliver a product that is good enough for the money at a reasonable price.

Seriously though...1070 Ti in 2017 at launch was $449. This is "on sale" at $680. Same card class...$230 more (greater than a 50% increase) in 7 years...against an EoL product. It's just silly that three generations later and the same target level is 105 watts more power draw and is "entry level" 4k. This is when most people are still in 1k land...which means similar targets would be 4040 ti levels if such a thing existed (and each target level drops one rung per generation). Thing is...the 4050 rumors are about matching to the 1070...so we've basically said that the "budget" market can suck eggs. Kinda silly when it makes sense to purchase a second hand 3060 or two today...instead of a 4070...because it's 1/3rd the price and 50+% of the performance.


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Before green team goes apoplectic, "bad for the price" is not bad. It's a judgement that price:performance sucks. For the record, the 4070 would have been a great card at the $500 mark...which would have been a slight upsell of the target range but in-line with the 1070. Instead we get 1080 pricing...being more fair, 1080 launch pricing and 4070 inventory clearing pricing. That's silly.

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Maybe Nvidia is counting on cryptomining too?

Bitcoin is now at the record high again, and there are tonns of "financial advisors" on mainstream media now that predict this is only the beginning! And although Ethereum is now proof-of-stake, there are now several forks that could still be mined, and tonns of shitcoins with potential to be the new Ethereum!

So that would clear out the dusty boxes sitting on the shelves in a hurry!

Bwazecryptomining

Unlikely. 4090 will pay for itself, given .10 USD per kW, in 3+ years. Other GPUs, they mostly won't.

How many RTX 3090 Ti's paid for itself, when they came out right at the (a bit lower) height of cryptomaddness in late January 2022 for a MSRP of eye watering $1999, and crypto was in freefall after March?

Cryptoenthusiasts weren't the most logical bunch out there.

Prices are insane. Especially over here, in this part of Europe. 4080 Super.. that was supposed to be 1000, selling for OVER 1300? Sometimes, they got 3 fan Palit versions that sell for 1250... but that's NOT 1000 (or even 1100 with tax) Of course, when they got these in the first place. They never seem to stock them or care about them. Its weird. Here, nobody got the old non super 4080. Now that the new version is pretty much the same card, but cost EVEN MORE... holy cow. Yes, the old version got cheaper with time. You can buy it for around 1150 right now. Why would ANYONE get a super one is beyond me.

What a lie. They totally did this to just resell the 4080 as a new card, with a big new price. I guess they hate price drops. As soon as the remaining 1100 euro 4080 are gone, the new 1250-350 price will be the only one remaining LOL. GL selling these cards then. They sure dont sell now, hell, even 4080 at 1100 DON'T sell at all. I literally know people that work in the major stores here, ive seen the piles of unsold cards. Anyways, 4070ti cost a lot more than 700 euro here. So yeah, nobody is buying these as well. People either go for the new super ones or the regular 4070 super.

4070ti is and remains a big bag of just-not-quite-right.

Hard pass, unless its €500-550. Its not worth more with the paltry VRAM and bad balance.

I'm quite happy with my big bag. Then again, I upgraded from a 2080ti, and the 4070ti is 50% faster, and cost £300 less. But yeah, a begrudging purchase at the top of what I was willing to spend.

the54thvoidI'm quite happy with my big bag. Then again, I upgraded from a 2080ti, and the 4070ti is 50% faster, and cost £300 less. But yeah, a begrudging purchase at the top of what I was willing to spend.

Oh yeah, it'll play games fine... its just that we're late in gen now, so these discounts barely make it 'cheaper'... it'll likely be superseded soon by something as cheap or cheaper and faster.

Tis no different on the AMD side though. Discounts always come too late. The competition feels... artificial.

the54thvoidI'm quite happy with my big bag. Then again, I upgraded from a 2080ti, and the 4070ti is 50% faster, and cost £300 less. But yeah, a begrudging purchase at the top of what I was willing to spend.

That’s probably the sad reality of the current gen. If we look at Pascal, which famously was the best gen in recent memory, every card at every price point was a case of “Oh yeah, this is great, I have no qualms whatsoever”. With 40-series it’s always “Yeah… It’s okay… I guess…”. Every freaking SKU is either a bit questionable, a bit too expensive or both. It’s quite literally making a choice between the least bad options. I am very unsurprised that many people just dropped PC gaming and moved to consoles or portables, even some hardcore enthusiasts I know. When the “best” Ada value is the 4060 which is in and of itself a card with a lot of problems you know the gen is not great. Apart from the 4090 in the case of “money is no object”, I suppose.

Vayra86it'll likely be superseded soon by something as cheap or cheaper and faster.

Unless it won't.

We might see +50% performance, +50% price increase with the new gen, and people will again defend Nvidia that it's totally OK, why should you get more for your buck?

Hyderzalso, people who bought 30 series during the pandemic with eye watering gpu prices most likely wont fork out more money for 40 series... ( the upgrade differences doesnt justify the prices asking)

I don't think Nvidia is sweating that. The 3000 series (except for the 3090) was purposefully equipped with low VRAM to force those people to upgrade in short order.

The people who were paying $1,200 during the pandemic for the 8GB 3070 truly got shafted. That card wasn't worth MSRP with that much VRAM let alone what people were forced to pay.

The more you spend, the more you save, obviously.

BwazeUnless it won't.

We might see +50% performance, +50% price increase with the new gen, and people will again defend Nvidia that it's totally OK, why should you get more for your buck?

*IF* rumors are correct, we will see a substantial increase in performance for a give die area. Every process change after 7nm (N7) has become significantly more expensive per wafer. So, we will see an increase in price unless Nvidia uses the increase in performance to decrease the size of the die for a given level in the '50XX' series. So, we don't know. Unfortunately, Jensen used GDC to announce the AI/ML GPUs. I've seen nothing about the consumer variants yet - maybe we'll get a glimpse at the next convention this year (gamescon in Germany??).

LOL, try $450 and I'll bite.

RUSerious*IF* rumors are correct, we will see a substantial increase in performance for a give die area. Every process change after 7nm (N7) has become significantly more expensive per wafer. So, we will see an increase in price unless Nvidia uses the increase in performance to decrease the size of the die for a given level in the '50XX' series. So, we don't know. Unfortunately, Jensen used GDC to announce the AI/ML GPUs. I've seen nothing about the consumer variants yet - maybe we'll get a glimpse at the next convention this year (gamescon in Germany??).

They need chiplets or they won't be able to offer proper products for consumer. Its that simple. They'll probably postpone that to 6000 series, but its coming one way or another. I'm sure they can step up with another 10% bump per tier and some 128bit GDDR7 piece of junk at 750 bucks for Blackwell, heck we might even see a 192 bit 12GB flagship if they keep pushing the Ada narrative of 'pay more for less'. And then you get a 24GB Super when they're about to launch the next gen. Still crippled, but for muh creators.

I can't wait to not buy it.