Monday, August 18th 2008

Common LGA-1366 Cooling Myths Busted

With the entry of the Core i7 Bloomfield series processors this September thru October, the computing world will witness the entry of a new motherboard processor socket, the 1366-pin Land Grid Array (LGA-1366). FrostyTech demystified the new socket in respect to the way coolers are to be designed to be compatible with it, which will have implications on a vast segment of DIY consumers since LGA-1366 is meant to be a high-performance flagship computing platform. There are two key factors at play:
  • The layout and cooler-retention mechanism of the socket
  • The area of contact between the cooler and the processor's integrated heatspreader (IHS).
Firstly, your LGA 775 cooler won't fit on the LGA 1366, reason being that for the LGA 775, the mount-holes on the motherboards for retention pins / bolt-through kits used to be 72 mm apart. For the LGA 1366 they are 80 mm apart. It wouldn't be wise improvising an adapter to make it work either, since the heatsink's contact area with the IHS will be reduced. For the LGA 775 it is 28.5 sq. mm while it's 32.0 x 35.0 mm (yes, it's rectangular).

Speaking of the cooler retention mechanism, some coolers could use spring-tensioned machine screws to attach the heatsink to a metal backing plate. Intel's stock cooler is found to use standard through-PCB plastic push-pin mounting brackets. There won't be a retention cage (of the sort found on the older Socket 478 motherboards).
Sources: FrostyTech, Bit-Tech.net
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36 Comments on Common LGA-1366 Cooling Myths Busted

#26
laszlo
_jMI dont know where you've been latly but AMD will ALWAYS be behind INTEL.. the only reason that AMD is in the game is that it would be a monopoly... and they own ATI, they just released the 4870X2... and to me.. thats the best fukn card on the planet...s0n!
what's your age s0n?
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#27
Swansen
_jMI dont know where you've been latly but AMD will ALWAYS be behind INTEL.. the only reason that AMD is in the game is that it would be a monopoly... and they own ATI, they just released the 4870X2... and to me.. thats the best fukn card on the planet...s0n!
? Amd hasen't always been behind Intel, they have been for awhile now, because they have been sucking hard, but AMD's K8 series pretty much blew Intel out of the water. Lol, and the comment above me is funny, and yes, but on that, history. Turns out the AMD/Intel battle has been raging for YEEAARRSS now, but just the last two.
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#28
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Wasn't it just like 3 years ago that AMD looked 5 years ahead of Intel? Well, they were....came up with an IMC and FSB replacement (HyperTransport use) 5 years before Intel could (IMC and QuickPath (on Bloomfield)).
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#29
Swansen
Right, AMD is a smaller company, they make cool technologies and Intel copies and changes them, its just how it seems to work. ON TOPIC, i was kinda confused about what everyone was saying with the socket, but it looks square to me?? as in the pin layout looks square, obviously the socket is square, but that seems kinda odd if the CPU is square?? or is the processor going to hang over the edge?? Ether way, AMD's pin layout was rectangle, so i imagine that AMD's CPUs will also be rectangle?? unless i'm missing something somewhere.
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#30
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
SwansenRight, AMD is a smaller company, they make cool technologies and Intel copies and changes them, its just how it seems to work. ON TOPIC, i was kinda confused about what everyone was saying with the socket, but it looks square to me?? as in the pin layout looks square, obviously the socket is square, but that seems kinda odd if the CPU is square?? or is the processor going to hang over the edge?? Ether way, AMD's pin layout was rectangle, so i imagine that AMD's CPUs will also be rectangle?? unless i'm missing something somewhere.


^Does that still look square to you?
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#31
candle_86
it looks like a stretched square lol
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#32
Morgoth
Fueled by Sapphire
SwansenRight, AMD is a smaller company, they make cool technologies and Intel copies and changes them, its just how it seems to work. ON TOPIC, i was kinda confused about what everyone was saying with the socket, but it looks square to me?? as in the pin layout looks square, obviously the socket is square, but that seems kinda odd if the CPU is square?? or is the processor going to hang over the edge?? Ether way, AMD's pin layout was rectangle, so i imagine that AMD's CPUs will also be rectangle?? unless i'm missing something somewhere.
amd copied intel cpu's in the begining
and copied stuff from ibm, and amd is using SSE, 86 from intel
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#33
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
candle_86it looks like a stretched square lol
Mr. Maths says stretched square is a rectangle :)
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#34
[I.R.A]_FBi
btarunrMr. Maths says stretched square is a rectangle :)


take em to school
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#35
candle_86
Morgothamd copied intel cpu's in the begining
and copied stuff from ibm, and amd is using SSE, 86 from intel
In the x86 market everyone shares.

intel needed a second source for the 8086 or IBM wouldn't use Intel chips, Intel Licensed 8086 to AMD. Same for 286 AMD was made second source for the chips. Then came 386 and AMD didn't have a second source contract but they built the 386 anyway which got them sued but there contract with Intel from the 286 still allowed them to use the 386. The am486 is a reverse engineered i486. It was after this they split apart. The K5 was a glorifed am486 in reality with an extra pipeline added to make it super scaler and 64bit addressing was added. The K6 was based on RISC with an x86 backend. The K7 and up are the same way, RISC based with x86 translation backends. AMD got the rights to x86 when they got the 8086 license back in 1980. Intel made an agreement with AMD in 2001 to share license techs with each other. AMD got SSE for the palamino with that deal. Intel got x64 instruction set in 2002 when AMD showed off the opteron. AMD got SSE2 and 3 through the same agreement. They cross license because it helps them both out. Intel would have had to make sevral techs on there own with out AMD and vice versa.
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