Friday, June 12th 2009

Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

Software giant Microsoft has had disturbed relations with the EU markets following series of lawsuits to penalise the company's alleged anti-competitive market practices. Abiding by the courts' judgments, Microsoft will release two special types of its upcoming Windows 7 operating system to sell in Euro-zone countries. The OS will be devoid of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 (MSIE 8) web-browser, and Windows Media Player (WMP) 12 multimedia software. The first type is Windows 7 E, which lacks MSIE 8 alone. The second is Windows 7 N, which lacks MSIE 8 and WMP 12. The standard type which includes both, will not be available in Euro-zone countries. These types maintain their variant hierarchy (with the lineup starting from Home Basic to Ultimate).

Furthermore, the copies of Windows 7 (E, N) will require a clean installation. Users will not be able to upgrade their existing Windows Vista installations with such types of Windows 7. This however, won't affect the standard version. The move puts users in a bit of inconvenience, since the OS will not remain web-capable as soon as it's installed. In an effort to make things as easy as possible for users, Microsoft is recommending OEM vendors to pre-install MSIE 8, or any web-browser they choose. MSIE 8 will be available as CD-ROM installation media at stores. It will also be available for users to download using FTP, so a web-browser could be downloaded and installed without the presence of another one. "We're committed to making Windows 7 available in Europe at the same time that it launches in the rest of the world, but we also must comply with European competition law as we launch the product," said Microsoft deputy general counsel Dave Heiner said in a written release. "Given the pending legal proceeding, we've decided that instead of including Internet Explorer in Windows 7 in Europe, we will offer it separately and on an easy-to-install basis to both computer manufacturers and users. We're committed to launching Windows 7 on time in Europe, so we need to address the legal realities in Europe, including the risk of large fines. We believe that this new approach, while not our first choice, is the best path forward given the ongoing legal case in Europe," he added.
Source: Hexus.net
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152 Comments on Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

#51
mdm-adph
TheMailMan78Safari? Really dude? I use it all day. In fact I'm posting with it now. It sucks. IE8 is much better. FYI I'm on a mac. Its the only reason I use Safari.
What version are you using? I'm talking about Safari 4 -- I can't pass judgement on your own personal experiences with it, but I can tell you from my experience coding for it that its main JavaScript engine is even faster than Chrome's. Just look at the benchmark statistics here: service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/browserStatistics.action

When it comes to performance with tomorrow's web applications, JavaScript engine speed is the single most important factor (and is what that benchmark tests). You can see how even the latest version of IE lags very, very far behind.
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#52
Mike0409
BTW they said the Browser would be availble an FTP download...

You don't need a web browser or an FTP proggie to access any FTP site's.
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#53
TheMailMan78
Big Member
mdm-adphWhat version are you using? I'm talking about Safari 4 -- I can't pass judgement on your own personal experiences with it, but I can tell you from my experience coding for it that its main JavaScript engine is even faster than Chrome's. Just look at the benchmark statistics here: service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/browserStatistics.action

When it comes to performance with tomorrow's web applications, JavaScript engine speed is the single most important factor (and is what that benchmark tests). You can see how even the latest version of IE lags very, very far behind.
Yeah I'm using 4. Sorry man but I aint buying the benches.
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#54
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
Although I myself believe this is quite stupid of the EU forcing MS to do this, a version that lacks IE and WMP would be quite nice to have (for techies or those who want a minimalistic OS).

I've tried using the Windows XP Professional N-edition and it's quite nice having Media Player Classic playing all my media files without any file association problems from WMP9/10. The only problem is the lack of Windows Media (.WMA/.WMV/.ASF) support, but IMO I rather play media that use other, better codecs than that trash. :D
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#55
mdm-adph
TheMailMan78Yeah I'm using 4. Sorry man but I aint buying the benches.
Well, you're free to believe in what you what. :ohwell: Honestly, do you think they're lying? Don't you think that if Futuremark was shady they'd have already taken money from Microsoft, and thus IE would be at the top of their list? :laugh:
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#56
TheMailMan78
Big Member
mdm-adphWell, you're free to believe in what you what. :ohwell: Honestly, do you think they're lying? Don't you think that if Futuremark was shady they'd have already taken money from Microsoft, and thus IE would be at the top of their list? :laugh:
I'm capitalistic swine. I'm not stupid. Of course I don't think the benches are fake. I just haven't seen Safari 4 perform any better than IE8. Safari 4 just seems slower so far. But then again maybe its optimized for the intel Macs.
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#57
WhiteLotus
So i will have to somehow get a web browser (no problem there - USB stick) and then download Windows Media Player that doesn't come with all the codecs... to which i'll have to pay for? That sucks ass.

Looks like i'll go back to VLC
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#58
Lumpy
alexp999Uk is in europe yes :(
LOL!
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#60
mdm-adph
TheMailMan78I'm capitalistic swine. I'm not stupid. Of course I don't think the benches are fake. I just haven't seen Safari 4 perform any better than IE8. Safari 4 just seems slower so far. But then again maybe its optimized for the intel Macs.
Buddy, if all you do with your Ferrari is drive it down your driveway to your mailbox, you're not going to notice any difference between it and a damn Yugo, either. :laugh:

Safari is just as fast on Windows as it is on intel macs. You're going to have to try a few JavaScript intensive websites and media-heavy stuff -- I'll see what I can find. I know I've found websites in the past that were testing out new js technologies that slowed to a crawl in IE but run like butter in Chrome and Safari.
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#61
TheMailMan78
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mdm-adphBuddy, if all you do with your Ferrari is drive it down your driveway to your mailbox, you're not going to notice any difference between it and a damn Yugo, either. :laugh:

Safari is just as fast on Windows as it is on intel macs. You're going to have to try a few JavaScript intensive websites and media-heavy stuff -- I'll see what I can find. I know I've found websites in the past that were testing out new js technologies that slowed to a crawl in IE but run like butter in Chrome and Safari.
My Mac is a PowerPC mac. Duel 2.0s. with 4 gigs of ram. A web browser should be slowing it down.
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#62
WhiteLotus
I REALLY don't like this move, i hope they do somehow make a World Wide edition or something. It's just silly an the EU is just being anal about it.

I would like to thank Microsoft for sticking up two fingers to EU and following their stupid rules. Watch how the EU government scrambles back to Microsoft, begging to find out how to get their precious IE and WMP back.
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#63
TRIPTEX_CAN
mdm-adphBuddy,.... *snip*.
Im not your buddy, guy. :roll:

Continue...
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#64
mdm-adph
TRIPTEX_MTLIm not your buddy guy. :roll:

Comtinue...
I'm not your guy, friend.
TheMailMan78My Mac is a PowerPC mac. Duel 2.0s. with 4 gigs of ram. A web browser should be slowing it down.
So -- wait, what? :confused:

Are you comparing running Safari 4 on a PowerPC mac vs. IE8 on a windows machine?
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#65
TheMailMan78
Big Member
mdm-adphI'm not your guy, friend.



So -- wait, what? :confused:

Are you comparing running Safari 4 on a PowerPC mac vs. IE8 on a windows machine?
Yes. Yes I am.
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#66
mdm-adph
TheMailMan78Yes. Yes I am.
Oh yeah -- that's not unfair at all. :banghead:

Hey, try installing Safari 4 on your Windows machine, and then tell me how it feels on certain websites vs. IE. Or just install Chrome -- for all practical purposes, Chrome and Safari are the same browser.
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#67
TheMailMan78
Big Member
mdm-adphOh yeah -- that's not unfair at all. :banghead:

Hey, try installing Safari 4 on your Windows machine, and then tell me how it feels on certain websites vs. IE. Or just install Chrome -- for all practical purposes, Chrome and Safari are the same browser.
Wasting your time is what I do. :laugh:

No its not "fair" but Safari 3 was faster on my machine. When I "upgraded" to 4 things got a low slower. Thats why I said it must be optimized for intel Macs OR Apple is screwing over its "legacy" users by crippling its own software to force hardware upgrades.
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#68
mdm-adph
TheMailMan78Thats why I said it must be optimized for intel Macs OR Apple is screwing over its "legacy" users by crippling its own software to force hardware upgrades.
New to the Mac world? :laugh: They do the same to just software, too -- there's no reason why some software should require OSX 10.5, either, but I've found quite a bit that are starting to "require" it.
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#69
imperialreign
Just my thoughts . . . considering how shiesty MS can be, and some of their tactics in the past . . .



WIN 7 may not have IE8 and WMP included on the install disk . . . but how much do you want to bet that the WIN 7 retail packages come with a second disk that has IE8 and WMP on it?

As long as those applications are included in the WIN 7 install, MS is in the clear . . . there's nothing saying they can't include these applications on a seperate disk in the package.

C'mon, y'all, think like MS! :toast:
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#70
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
satelitkoI don't get what you people are complaining about... Why would you even WANT IE or WMP? This is GREAT news... no more programs launching IE, when you clearly made your FF/Chrome/w.e. your main browser... No more WMP, which can't play sh*t... I'm in utter glee about this!!!
No it's not. If you made an OS wouldn't you be pissed if the EU started saying you can/can't have programs that you made into the os ? Seriously its like saying to a car manufacturer you can't use your own engine that you made use another. Seriously it's pointless IE isn't that bad and WMP is quite good. If the consumer wants to try another then they can go download that program for FREE!
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#72
imperialreign
DrPepperNo it's not. If you made an OS wouldn't you be pissed if the EU started saying you can/can't have programs that you made into the os ? Seriously its like saying to a car manufacturer you can't use your own engine that you made use another. Seriously it's pointless IE isn't that bad and WMP is quite good. If the consumer wants to try another then they can go download that program for FREE!
I have to agree . . . IE7/IE8 are some of the most secure browsers I've used . . . the issue most people have with their security revolves around users not updating as needed. I'm confident enough in both IE7's and IE8's security that I routinely browse the i-netx with no firewall up, nor AV software running (not that I condone or support this practice . . .).

Besides, IE displays 95% of the i-webz correctly . . . unlike other browsers . . . it might also have something to do with the fact that 95% of all websites are still designed with IE for IE.



As to media players, WMP 11 I've found to be a little more easier to use and more intuitive . . . it's only downfall is it doesn't play all files types correctly, even with codecs installed.
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#73
WhiteLotus
imperialreignAs to media players, WMP 11 I've found to be a little more easier to use and more intuitive . . . it's only downfall is it doesn't play all files types correctly, even with codecs installed.
Don't know what build WMP is included in Windows 7 RC but it plays everything rather well. Well everything i chucked at it.
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#74
TheMailMan78
Big Member
mdm-adphNew to the Mac world? :laugh: They do the same to just software, too -- there's no reason why some software should require OSX 10.5, either, but I've found quite a bit that are starting to "require" it.
I'm not new. I remember when they did it with OS 9.2. The got in trouble for it too. The made 9.2 slower than 9.1 to make you upgrade to OSX. Thats when I lost my love for Mac.
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#75
Demon_82
That's getting ridiculous. Can anyone, please get Spain out of the European Union?
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