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Now we need someone to make loop with these:

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Just kidding. I always wanted to make an all copper custom loop. Nice to see someone actually doing it.
BTW, your guitar collection is nice.

That PEX tubing would be about as bullet proof as copper. If you didn't care about the looks I have never seen a Pex fitting leak, but the color selection is scant lol.
 
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That PEX tubing would be about as bullet proof as copper. If you didn't care about the looks I have never seen a Pex fitting leak, but the color selection is scant lol.
I don't like the looks of the copper fittings, but to bend a copper... Unlike PEX-Al-PEX pipes. :D
 
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I don't like the looks of the copper fittings, but to bend a copper... Unlike PEX-Al-PEX pipes. :D

I was unwilling to invest in a premium bending tool just for this project not to mention you have to heat this hard tube really hot to get it to bend those tight radius's without collapsing. Soldering is not out of the question, but over the years due to mandates quality lead solder is harder to come by...makes a ton of difference in the outcome/appearance. With a good tinning flux it takes very little solder.
 
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Nice work! Love the hard copper tubing. Now you will have to water cool that GPU. Looks naked. Especially since the GPU makes way more heat than the CPU.
 
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Nice work! Love the hard copper tubing. Now you will have to water cool that GPU. Looks naked. Especially since the GPU makes way more heat than the CPU.
Looking forward to the day they offer a good integrated graphics solution and I can get rid of a janky looking video card completely. ;)

Now it shows up... :rolleyes:

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Can also get you some extra fluid temp mixture but seeing it's dumping into the res straight out of a rad it's fine being smaller.

I'm actually a big fan of larger reservoirs. I think if it like a kettle. The more water that's in the kettle the longer it takes to boil.

Thats why I love having more fluid than less, especially with some nice rads and airflow the fluid basically never has a chance heat up.

A nice big res and lots of fluid also means you don't have to refill as often.
 
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I've been a automotive guy longer than a computer guy...guess that's the reason I tend to fall back on automotive solutions and explanations lol. I look at a reservoir the same way as I do a extra capacity transmission pan which has been touted for many decades. The only thing extra capacity gives you is a slightly cooler fluid for a slightly longer period of time...it all comes up to the same temperature eventually regardless of the volume (and in the transmission scenario it happens rather quickly).

Manufacturers even went so far as to add fins on the bottom of these extended pans claiming it would cool the fluid...in a microscopic world maybe lol. There is a reason auto manufacturers run the transmission lines through the radiator. In summary it would be a hard sell to convince me to believe that any fluid moving through a thick acrylic tube is going to radiate and reduce that fluid's temperature by any measurable degree...regardless of airflow.
 

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I've been a automotive guy longer than a computer guy...guess that's the reason I tend to fall back on automotive solutions and explanations lol. I look at a reservoir the same way as I do a extra capacity transmission pan which has been touted for many decades. The only thing extra capacity gives you is a slightly cooler fluid for a slightly longer period of time...it all comes up to the same temperature eventually regardless of the volume (and in the transmission scenario it happens rather quickly).

Manufacturers even went so far as to add fins on the bottom of these extended pans claiming it would cool the fluid...in a microscopic world maybe lol. There is a reason auto manufacturers run the transmission lines through the radiator. In summary it would be a hard sell to convince me to believe that any fluid moving through a thick acrylic tube is going to radiate and reduce that fluid's temperature by any measurable degree...regardless of airflow.
The extra capacity is a buffer to ignore temperature spikes which then make your fans spin faster. Nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Besides stronger pumps and better blocks/radiators, larger coolant volume is the reason custom loops perform better than AIOs.
 
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These "spikes" you speak of are cpu related and have nothing to do with the temperature of the fluid. The readings you see in monitoring software are the actual cpu temps...not the fluid. Fluids in the pc loop can't and don't react as quickly as what you see recorded in monitoring software. Put a temp probe in any reservoir and you will quickly understand. The volume of fluid does absolutely nothing other than a greater volume takes a bit longer to equalize.

Take out the better pumps/blocks/radiator from your above statement and simply add more fluid to a AIO and it is going to perform exactly the same as it did before the extra fluid was introduced...with the exception it will take slightly longer to reach the original temperatures it did initially. Your ability/capacity to cool said fluid has not changed...a larger reservoir is certainly not going to provide this. The only meaningful reservoir is a radiator. Reservoirs are only a "thing" because they are a convenient way to fill/drain a system and add some "bling" to the loop.
 
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Larger volume of water is slower to warm up but also to cool down!

Loops with soft tubing to not need any expansion reservoir at all, because all water thermal expansion is handled by flexible tubes.
 
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These "spikes" you speak of are cpu related and have nothing to do with the temperature of the fluid. The readings you see in monitoring software are the actual cpu temps...not the fluid. Fluids in the pc loop can't and don't react as quickly as what you see recorded in monitoring software. Put a temp probe in any reservoir and you will quickly understand. The volume of fluid does absolutely nothing other than a greater volume takes a bit longer to equalize.

Take out the better pumps/blocks/radiator from your above statement and simply add more fluid to a AIO and it is going to perform exactly the same as it did before the extra fluid was introduced...with the exception it will take slightly longer to reach the original temperatures it did initially. Your ability/capacity to cool said fluid has not changed...a larger reservoir is certainly not going to provide this. The only meaningful reservoir is a radiator. Reservoirs are only a "thing" because they are a convenient way to fill/drain a system and add some "bling" to the loop.

You...are missing the point of the comment here. Let me put this into automotive terms for you.

Imagine a car with a 10 gallon radiator tank. Now imagine that you drive the car in a number or ways.
In situation 1 you drive in town, and have immense spikes because between each light you slam on the gas. Very large transient spikes.
In situation 2 you are driving on a highway instead of town, you don't have as many spikes, but so you get up to speed a little slower but remain there longer. That said, you still have stops.
In situation 3 you are on a freeway. There are slight peaks to pass, but otherwise you run at a constant speed.

A large capacity radiator does nothing for situation 1. As you've said, the peaks are so transient that they aren't considered.
Situation 2 is perfect for that high capacity reservoir. You have consistent energy dumps, but not constant enough to heat everything up.
Situation 3 renders the high capacity reservoir useless again. You have enough energy to heat all the fluid up, so it's not doing you any good.


This matters because most gaming is going to fall into situation 2. It's not a render farm or server (situation 3). It's not a casual gaming session or web browser (situation 1). It's a number of peaks and input, that doesn't max out the thermal load. This is how you have people that can run much quieter systems because the fans are at 20-40% instead of 80-100%. They don't require the constant dump, have enough capacity to absorb the load peaks without having to spin up, but also can reject fast enough under low loading to be fine. Ironically this is what people often miss about AIOs...as with basically no fluid they have to dynamically respond to loads to prevent issues. Custom loops on the other hand can be tailored to usage...and depending upon yours a larger reservoir could be a good idea.

Side note, the delta in temperature is why cars have overflow reservoirs. Fire is indeed hot, unlike the few degrees delta present in a computer loop....given the low delta between CPU and ambient.



Side note on the copper, good preparation is always key to minimizing the solder. Someone made me aware of an acid treatment instead of the traditional preparation of the surface. You might want to pursue that, as I've seen it make a joint where all of the metal actually flowed into the joint and was nearly imperceptible. I was a skeptic, until I had a chance to pressurize it. 60% of the strength of the pipe before it blew...needless to say I am a believer. I'm more use to 40% or less.
 
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In situation 2 you are driving on a highway instead of town, you don't have as many spikes, but so you get up to speed a little slower but remain there longer. That said, you still have stops.
To be honest. That depends where in the world you drive. When i get to the highway i accelerate to about 180-200 km//h and break down when the way is not free. Accelerating back to my target when others get back to the right lane so i can overtake them. There are also stretches where the speed is limited to 120km/h or even lower. Just think about: in germany there are roundabout 10% of the highways free of any speed limitation. On a nice sunday morning at a good piece of highway one is able to speed up to >300km/h to get into the Ü300-club (club of drivers who drove +300KM/h).

I don't disagree but it is not that correct in general.
 
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I'm actually a big fan of larger reservoirs. I think if it like a kettle. The more water that's in the kettle the longer it takes to boil.

Thats why I love having more fluid than less, especially with some nice rads and airflow the fluid basically never has a chance heat up.

A nice big res and lots of fluid also means you don't have to refill as often.
Yeah I can't disagree but case sizes dictate reservoir size for the most part so we do what size we can.

How's a couple mora 360's as reservoir or fluid mass :cool:
 

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You...are missing the point of the comment here. Let me put this into automotive terms for you.

Imagine a car with a 10 gallon radiator tank. Now imagine that you drive the car in a number or ways.
In situation 1 you drive in town, and have immense spikes because between each light you slam on the gas. Very large transient spikes.
In situation 2 you are driving on a highway instead of town, you don't have as many spikes, but so you get up to speed a little slower but remain there longer. That said, you still have stops.
In situation 3 you are on a freeway. There are slight peaks to pass, but otherwise you run at a constant speed.

A large capacity radiator does nothing for situation 1. As you've said, the peaks are so transient that they aren't considered.
Situation 2 is perfect for that high capacity reservoir. You have consistent energy dumps, but not constant enough to heat everything up.
Situation 3 renders the high capacity reservoir useless again. You have enough energy to heat all the fluid up, so it's not doing you any good.


This matters because most gaming is going to fall into situation 2. It's not a render farm or server (situation 3). It's not a casual gaming session or web browser (situation 1). It's a number of peaks and input, that doesn't max out the thermal load. This is how you have people that can run much quieter systems because the fans are at 20-40% instead of 80-100%. They don't require the constant dump, have enough capacity to absorb the load peaks without having to spin up, but also can reject fast enough under low loading to be fine. Ironically this is what people often miss about AIOs...as with basically no fluid they have to dynamically respond to loads to prevent issues. Custom loops on the other hand can be tailored to usage...and depending upon yours a larger reservoir could be a good idea.

Side note, the delta in temperature is why cars have overflow reservoirs. Fire is indeed hot, unlike the few degrees delta present in a computer loop....given the low delta between CPU and ambient.



Side note on the copper, good preparation is always key to minimizing the solder. Someone made me aware of an acid treatment instead of the traditional preparation of the surface. You might want to pursue that, as I've seen it make a joint where all of the metal actually flowed into the joint and was nearly imperceptible. I was a skeptic, until I had a chance to pressurize it. 60% of the strength of the pipe before it blew...needless to say I am a believer. I'm more use to 40% or less.

I did not miss the point of the comment and have already explained the reason it is flawed. Your analogy is flawed as well for the same reasons.

Once again I feel the need to remind that the temperatures you are seeing in monitoring software is not the temperature of the coolant, but rather the temperature of a specific component. This is plainly evident in the following scenario - You are running a cpu stress test and recording a temperature of 75c...within 10 seconds of concluding that stress test you are back to your normal 40c idle temperature. If one is to believe the coolant was actually 75c and dropped 35c to return to the normal 40c in 10 seconds...that would be one amazing cooling system you have there. These do not exist in the automotive world and certainly not inside our pc cases.

Let's take my reservoir as an example - Let's say it's current capacity is 250ml and we triple it's size/capacity to 750ml...do you actually believe you are going to record a difference from that increased amount of coolant? What ever the coolant temperature was with 250mi of fluid is going to be (eventually) exactly the same with the extra fluid capacity at 750ml. We don't need a coolant sensor to tell us this because you have not increased in any way the ability of the system (loop) to rid itself of heat. Only a radiator will do this...certainly not a plastic cylinder regardless of size.

Now, if you want to increase coolant volume with a actual larger capacity radiator...then you will have accomplished something assuming it is designed to take advantage of it. I will also add the speed that a coolant is traveling in a closed system can have a impact. Too fast and it loses some ability to transfer heat...too slow and it can be a detriment as well. Experimentation is the tool to find a happy medium.

Your fans are reacting to a sensor in the cpu...not the coolant temperature. In the automotive world we do indeed have access to actual coolant temperature sensors.
 
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Would have been neat to see air compressor tubing used which have fins for dissipating heat right off the pipes.

Something like this.

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Hi,
D5's being water cooled if your fluid temp is at or over 60c Max it's about to kill your pump.
 
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That's funny...I was just looking at those last night. :)
Automotive minds think alike. :)

Psst, not sure what they are talking about automotive compared to PC though. These are 2 totally different applications. Automotive is designed to run at and maintain a certain temp. Not sure how it applies to PC which you want lowest possible temp. (No thermostats)
 
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Automotive minds think alike. :)

Psst, not sure what they are talking about automotive compared to PC though. These are 2 totally different applications. Automotive is designed to run at and maintain a certain temp. Not sure how it applies to PC which you want lowest possible temp. (No thermostats)
My point was fluid temperatures do not react as quickly to fluctuations as these cpu monitors show. In reality it would likely be just as well to adjust your fans to a tolerable level and just leave them there as a constant. If you were doing extended benching or workloads then you would of course kick things up a notch. I suspect that many have their fan speed activation points set too low to begin with and that is a annoyance.
 
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My point was fluid temperatures do not react as quickly to fluctuations as these cpu monitors show. In reality it would likely be just as well to adjust your fans to a tolerable level and just leave them there as a constant. If you were doing extended benching or workloads then you would of course kick things up a notch.
Of course not. You can only move thermals across surface areas, that's why water cooling is great. Why big air coolers work well.

We used to count the fins on hear sinks and radiators. More is better.

The waterblock you have will provide additional cooling at the cpu when you source a fan directly on thr block. That's why I like full copper.

Now, you are cooling like an engine. A fan right in front of the cpu/engine block. This would optimize the cooling in my opinion.

I'm using a steel plate on my block. Works fine. 50/50 ethylene, can mix all the metals I want.

Some man made sh!t over here.
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Hi,
Well I do believe a water temp sensor should always be used on a full gpu-cpu loop.
Single item loop ? sure cpu loop wise it can tell you flow is off "typically clogged water block" but so will cpu temperatures.
 
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Hi,
Well I do believe a water temp sensor should always be used on a full gpu-cpu loop.
Single item loop ? sure cpu loop wise it can tell you flow is off "typically clogged water block" but so will cpu temperatures.
I need to put one of those little spinning wheel thingies in my loop so I can see at a glance the pump is working... :p

Has anyone that uses antifreeze ever really had to flush/change their system for any specific reason? Just wondering how the mix reacts over time in this scenario.
 
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I need to put one of those little spinning wheel thingies in my loop so I can see at a glance the pump is working... :p

Has anyone that uses antifreeze ever really had to flush/change their system for any specific reason? Just wondering how the mix reacts over time in this scenario.
In all my builds, I have only used antifreeze in slightly more diluted forms than the 50/50 you used. I once had my PC unused for nearly 2 years in a closet (no direct sunlight and a PC case with no windows) with no maintenance what so ever and was able to plug it in and fire it up without any issues. Fluid flowed perfectly fine but I did tear it apart days later just because I felt it was the thing to do. When flushed it was minimally dirty but nothing was clogged at all.
 
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In all my builds, I have only used antifreeze in slightly more diluted forms than the 50/50 you used. I once had my PC unused for nearly 2 years in a closet (no direct sunlight and a PC case with no windows) with no maintenance what so ever and was able to plug it in and fire it up without any issues. Fluid flowed perfectly fine but I did tear it apart days later just because I felt it was the thing to do. When flushed it was minimally dirty but nothing was clogged at all.
I asked the question because I recently viewed a YouTube video of a fellow who has a homemade water cooled concoction sitting out on his back deck outside. He stated his was only about a 20% solution and had been running for at least three years 24/7 with zero maintenance. He used clear flexible tubing and it was only mildly discolored...likely more from UV exposure than anything else.
 
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